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travi - January 15, 2008 03:48 AM (GMT)
Yes. School is technicly slavery. By definition slavery is forcing someone to do something against his or her will. And guess what. You have no choice on whether or not you go to school. If you don't show up (unless you manage to find a good way to skip.) then guess what. They call the po po and get them to show up at your house. If you refuse to do your work you get punished. YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. You don't even have your right to free speach. I don't even need to go into that but I will anyway. They don't allow you to talk in class and if you say something they don't want you to say then say hello to detention/suspension.





p.s If you ever do something wrong and your unsure about how much proof they have on you and you get called up to the office and they say" We know you did it so you better fess up because it'll be easier on you" it's bull. That's a desperation tactic to get you to fess up so they can nail you for it. Deny it and you're home free. I know this from expierience.



Sorry I was bored so I just wanted to point that out. o_O

Keys - January 15, 2008 07:42 AM (GMT)
Woah woah woah there Travi. Where did all this hatred come from? School isn't slavery. At 16 you are legally able to drop out by your own terms, and slavery by definition is forced labor without pay or other means of gratification. School is there to educate not force you into work. Trust me, school is nothing like slavery. In slavery you work 20+ hours at a time without pay, without rest, and are not allowed to say anything against it or you're beaten (or worse.) In school you go for 8 hours a day and get the weekends off. You're getting a free education from 1st-12th grade and a grip on the world around you.
By any means it is not slavery lol.
Freedom of speach isn't about being able to talk freely in class.. its about expressing your mind and your views. We're lucky to be able to do that in the Western world.. some in the East such as North Korea cannot for fear they'll be lined up and shot. What we have in school are rules.. just like laws. It's not a violation of your freedom of speach rights.. its to keep you learning and productive. Schools are there for a reason. Without them mankind would be centuries behind what it is today.

and Yes, even the police use that tactic to try and coerce you into giving them a confession.

Wintersun - January 15, 2008 09:14 AM (GMT)
School slavery? bah, working fulltime after you graduate is REAL slavery... in my point of view anyways.

travi - January 15, 2008 01:31 PM (GMT)
Well you don't have a damn choice until your 16. If you refuse to go to school they actually call the police and when you don't do your work you get punished. Slavery. Also school giving you homework just so you'll be smarter is bull. Thats the teachers excuse for not being able to teach you everything during the day so she/he makes you do homework. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you had a choice but you don't. Hell if they gave me a choice I would actually willingly go. It's just the fact that you don't have that option until you're 16.

And school is forced labor without pay or means of gratification. It's clear I'm too late for yall. You're all already brainwashed by the system.

CoffeeFreak4Life - January 16, 2008 02:27 AM (GMT)
Actually homework is there so that one of the 3 Learning styles is covered . Not evreyone learns things the same way. the 3 basic learning styles are Visual,Auditory,and Kinesthetic & Tactile. for more information go to This site

Wintersun - January 16, 2008 05:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (travi @ Jan 15 2008, 07:31 AM)
Well you don't have a damn choice until your 16. If you refuse to go to school they actually call the police and when you don't do your work you get punished. Slavery. Also school giving you homework just so you'll be smarter is bull. Thats the teachers excuse for not being able to teach you everything during the day so she/he makes you do homework. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you had a choice but you don't. Hell if they gave me a choice I would actually willingly go. It's just the fact that you don't have that option until you're 16.

And school is forced labor without pay or means of gratification. It's clear I'm too late for yall. You're all already brainwashed by the system.

Jeez, school isn't that bad. The majority of kids wouldn't even go to school if they had a choice when they're young. They wouldn't learn anything and all become bums. I don't see why school would be such a pain anyways. I find that things get a lot more stressful after you finish school. You should enjoy your time in "slavery" while you can! :P

Keys - January 19, 2008 04:07 AM (GMT)
Lol brainwashed..

Travi, it's not slavery by any means aside from the fact that you're required to go to school. The reason you are required to do so by the government is because they don't want a bunch of rock-stupid people walking around their country doing whatever the hell they want.
You go to school to learn mathematics, sciences, History, and the respective country. If they didn't force people to go to school from elementary to high school 99% of the population would walk around not knowing how to count their fingers, iterate their basic thoughts into speech, and know what happened before they were born. If it wasn't for school you wouldn't even be able to read these forums and type a response. School is there for a reason.

Now, take the idea of slavery.. we'll use the current day-example over in Africa. Men are going out in the middle of the nights and abducting young women and men from their homes, slaughtering their families and then taking them up to hundreds of miles away to another place where they must work day in and day out to their captor's delight. Fixing their food, clearing their land, fixing their things, and doing anything else that the "owner" doesn't want to do, allowing he/she to sit around all day and do nothing.
Now lets take current day school. You go to school every day to sit behind a desk learn the basic fundamentals about the world around you. To be educated so you have a brain enough to know what's going on in that world you see every day. Teachers provide you with work to which they require you to do, yes. But they must also create that work and then grade that work once you've finished it and turned it in. They don't profit from you doing the work aside from the fact that they've taught you information or a trade/skill. They get paid, yes but only because it is a Job which you will soon also be required to take up. Believe it or not you are lucky to be in a part of the world where schooling is readily available and even forced. So many people in 3rd world countries have never been into a classroom, they can't even fathom what it'd be like and would give anything to be in one.
Doesn't sound like slavery to me.

Right out of high school I picked up a midnight shift job at a factory here in down-town colorado that paid little and ran for 12 hours a night. The standard working day here in the United States is 8 hours. Take it in again, I worked 12. I worked my ass off all night long to earn my paycheck. Getting minor breaks here and there but then going right back to it. Because it was in the industrial sector those of us working were plagued by Burning Oil smells and noxious chemicals which really weren't safe to use.. but we were lower-class workers and no one cared or still does. The sewage plant wasn't too far and all night long you were stalked with the smell of rot and excrement and to make things worse the local incinerator was a small field away, meaning when bodies were disposed of.. we got to smell it all that night. As for the work itself? I hand-made wooden doors using fairly dangerous machinery and cramped conditions in a factory floor that was around 95-105 degrees all night long, and even worse in the day.
All that for just a paycheck.. I learned from that, that school wasn't so bad. I got up in the morning and went to school to see all my friends. I got long breaks and easy work where all I had to do was count some numbers or create a few sentences on a paper. It was a free education and although I didn't want to go sometimes.. it was a hell of alot better than working 12 hour shifts down the street from the sewage plant, across the way from the incinerator and in a 100 degree room to make wooden and metal doors all night long leaving me sleeping during the day so I never saw my friends and couldn't go out to the movies or the park with them... never the less really see daylight. At least I could in school.

On top of all that, if you really want to make easy money later in life where you don't have to work your life away in a factory like that (many of which the people I worked with are still there.) for a simple paycheck that really takes a large portion of your life from you... you go to college.. and college costs money.. lots and lots of it. So enjoy the free education and simple lifestyle.
Walk in the shoes I had to for a month and you'll see School is pretty nice.

Wintersun - January 19, 2008 07:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keys @ Jan 18 2008, 10:07 PM)
Lol brainwashed..

Travi, it's not slavery by any means aside from the fact that you're required to go to school. The reason you are required to do so by the government is because they don't want a bunch of rock-stupid people walking around their country doing whatever the hell they want.
You go to school to learn mathematics, sciences, History, and the respective country. If they didn't force people to go to school from elementary to high school 99% of the population would walk around not knowing how to count their fingers, iterate their basic thoughts into speech, and know what happened before they were born. If it wasn't for school you wouldn't even be able to read these forums and type a response. School is there for a reason.

Now, take the idea of slavery.. we'll use the current day-example over in Africa. Men are going out in the middle of the nights and abducting young women and men from their homes, slaughtering their families and then taking them up to hundreds of miles away to another place where they must work day in and day out to their captor's delight. Fixing their food, clearing their land, fixing their things, and doing anything else that the "owner" doesn't want to do, allowing he/she to sit around all day and do nothing.
Now lets take current day school. You go to school every day to sit behind a desk learn the basic fundamentals about the world around you. To be educated so you have a brain enough to know what's going on in that world you see every day. Teachers provide you with work to which they require you to do, yes. But they must also create that work and then grade that work once you've finished it and turned it in. They don't profit from you doing the work aside from the fact that they've taught you information or a trade/skill. They get paid, yes but only because it is a Job which you will soon also be required to take up. Believe it or not you are lucky to be in a part of the world where schooling is readily available and even forced. So many people in 3rd world countries have never been into a classroom, they can't even fathom what it'd be like and would give anything to be in one.
Doesn't sound like slavery to me.

Right out of high school I picked up a midnight shift job at a factory here in down-town colorado that paid little and ran for 12 hours a night. The standard working day here in the United States is 8 hours. Take it in again, I worked 12. I worked my ass off all night long to earn my paycheck. Getting minor breaks here and there but then going right back to it. Because it was in the industrial sector those of us working were plagued by Burning Oil smells and noxious chemicals which really weren't safe to use.. but we were lower-class workers and no one cared or still does. The sewage plant wasn't too far and all night long you were stalked with the smell of rot and excrement and to make things worse the local incinerator was a small field away, meaning when bodies were disposed of.. we got to smell it all that night. As for the work itself? I hand-made wooden doors using fairly dangerous machinery and cramped conditions in a factory floor that was around 95-105 degrees all night long, and even worse in the day.
All that for just a paycheck.. I learned from that, that school wasn't so bad. I got up in the morning and went to school to see all my friends. I got long breaks and easy work where all I had to do was count some numbers or create a few sentences on a paper. It was a free education and although I didn't want to go sometimes.. it was a hell of alot better than working 12 hour shifts down the street from the sewage plant, across the way from the incinerator and in a 100 degree room to make wooden and metal doors all night long leaving me sleeping during the day so I never saw my friends and couldn't go out to the movies or the park with them... never the less really see daylight. At least I could in school.

On top of all that, if you really want to make easy money later in life where you don't have to work your life away in a factory like that (many of which the people I worked with are still there.) for a simple paycheck that really takes a large portion of your life from you... you go to college.. and college costs money.. lots and lots of it. So enjoy the free education and simple lifestyle.
Walk in the shoes I had to for a month and you'll see School is pretty nice.

I agree 100%. It was basically what I was trying to say but in a much more detailed post.

travi - January 19, 2008 06:00 PM (GMT)
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Travi, it's not slavery by any means aside from the fact that you're required to go to school.

You just admited right there that it's slavery.

Lulz.

I haven't learned anything usefull in school the past 2 years. Any information I need is right here, accessable in the comfort of my own home. It's called the internet. On the internet I actually get a choice about what I want to learn. No need for a silly old textbook cramed with 400-700 pages of shit I don't want to know or if I did could just as easily find it on the internet. One day all learning except learning the fundamentals of reading and operating a computer will be done on the internet. If only ignorant people that head the school system would face the damn music. In the period of one year somebody could learn twice as much on the internet than somebody being taught in a public school.

Wintersun - January 20, 2008 02:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (travi @ Jan 19 2008, 12:00 PM)
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Travi, it's not slavery by any means aside from the fact that you're required to go to school.

You just admited right there that it's slavery.

Lulz.

I haven't learned anything usefull in school the past 2 years. Any information I need is right here, accessable in the comfort of my own home. It's called the internet. On the internet I actually get a choice about what I want to learn. No need for a silly old textbook cramed with 400-700 pages of shit I don't want to know or if I did could just as easily find it on the internet. One day all learning except learning the fundamentals of reading and operating a computer will be done on the internet. If only ignorant people that head the school system would face the damn music. In the period of one year somebody could learn twice as much on the internet than somebody being taught in a public school.

If you're gonna concider School slavery, then you might as well concider living under your parents slavery.

Post-secondary education is extremely useful if you want to be making good cash and not having to work your arse of for pennies. The only way you get a good post-secondary education is that you do good in highschool. So with that being said, what you learn in highschool isn't actually useless, because it can help you make huge cash in the future. Learning stuff on Wikipedia and etc won't really get a you a doctors degree or anything. You can learn just as much as school as you can on the internet, if you actually study and take more advanced courses that aren't so "meat and potatoes".

travi - January 20, 2008 03:58 AM (GMT)
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Learning stuff on Wikipedia and etc won't really get a you a doctors degree or anything.

It will in 15 years. Well.... maybe not wikipedia..... Ok definitly not wikipedia.
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If you're gonna concider School slavery, then you might as well concider living under your parents slavery.

I suppose one could make a argument for that too but I choose not to.

Keys, please lock. No point in banging my head against a brick wall.

CoffeeFreak4Life - January 21, 2008 12:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (travi @ Jan 19 2008, 12:00 PM)
Any information I need is right here, accessable in the comfort of my own home. It's called the internet.

Because evreything you read on the internet is true right?

Wintersun - January 21, 2008 05:45 PM (GMT)
Or consequently, because everything you learn in School is true, right? O.o

Keys - January 23, 2008 02:30 AM (GMT)
Everything in school at least is a learned fact that has been (so far) proven and scribed into our books. When they are proved otherwise, they will change and it will be current.

Besides, truth is that of perception. :)

Wintersun - January 23, 2008 04:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keys @ Jan 22 2008, 08:30 PM)
Everything in school at least is a learned fact that has been (so far) proven and scribed into our books. When they are proved otherwise, they will change and it will be current.

Besides, truth is that of perception. :)

Well said; however, I try not to blindly believe everything that I see, for it may be a lie.

CoffeeFreak4Life - January 23, 2008 10:38 AM (GMT)
Belive me im a fact checker myself and had more debates with my teachers than was healthy for my grade. However more often than not the text book tends to be correct

Wintersun - January 23, 2008 04:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CoffeeFreak4Life @ Jan 23 2008, 04:38 AM)
Belive me im a fact checker myself and had more debates with my teachers than was healthy for my grade. However more often than not the text book tends to be correct

Yes, but I was talking about countries where the government manipulates some of the info. Propaganda and etc.

Keys - January 23, 2008 11:30 PM (GMT)
The best way is not to perceive everything you are told as a lie but to see everything skeptically. Meaning you take it as truth, but will not hesitate to investigate or learn into it further should the hint arise it may not be right.
:P

travi - January 24, 2008 01:17 AM (GMT)
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Yes, but I was talking about countries where the government manipulates some of the info. Propaganda and etc.

Sounds like the US.

Wintersun - January 24, 2008 05:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keys @ Jan 23 2008, 05:30 PM)
The best way is not to perceive everything you are told as a lie but to see everything skeptically. Meaning you take it as truth, but will not hesitate to investigate or learn into it further should the hint arise it may not be right.
:P

Yeah, though it's hard sometimes to not help but be a little bit paranoid about these things. Like sure, I could investigate further into the matter, but how would I know that the info that I just acquired from the further investigation be true? Cause that could also be a lie as well. What I would normally do is that I'd investigate as many possible ways to see things and careful decided upon the bunch which is the most believeable to me. Though I will not completely believe it all with no regard to anything else. I'll just stay convinced to it, but not hesitate to try other ways of seeing things.




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