Rumors are a wonderful thing arent they? ;)

Now as most Eldar generals have no doubt already heard, the Eldar codex is to be released this year. What some of those generals probably dont know though is that this is no ordinary rule revision, this version is said to be a comlpete overhaul of both the Eldar and thier rules.

For instance, one of the biggest rule changes that is rumored is that Shurikan Cannons will be rending.

Also, the Dire avengers are said to be having a shurikan catapult range of 18', around 6' more than the Guardians. There are other rumors to that i shall be posting here soon, but i stress, they are rumors only, no GW codex staff are confirming anything at the moment, but the GW managers are the one's fueling these rumors, so fingers crossed.

:)

This year? That is great! :D I was beggining to think the Orks were going to get their overhaul before us.

There was discussion on another forum about the rending Shuriken Catapults. Frankly they thought this was totaly false, as I'm sure you'll agree, it would make guardians quite unbalanced, and cause them to cost a hell of alot more points. Its a nice thought and will give us an advantage back over Rapid firing bolt guns, as we lost the close range massed shooting to the new Rapid fire rules in the 4th edition.

As to the Dire Avengers, I haven't heard that. Fingers crossed, cause then I might want to actually get some for my Beil-Tan.

Which brings me to a good question. Will the new Codex affect Codex Craftworld Eldar in any way? Will that Codex still stand, will they release new Craftworld rules IN the new Codex, or will they re-do Codex Craftworld Eldar as well in months to come? Plus how will the popularity of each Craftworld be affected, 'cause I can see Ulthwe's Black Guardians oh so more apealing with Rending Catapults. ;)

Lastly I can't wait to read all the fluff that bound to be jam packed into the new Codex. Hopefully they will give us a bit more on the Exodites and Harlequins, and if we are really (REALLY) lucky and my prayers come true they may release a small segment of Harlequin torney official rules. (Very highly doupted.)

Wishful thinking wishful thinking! :rolleyes:

Cheers, Cal

Whilst rending shurikan catapults would be funny, I said shurikan cannons. :)

As for the (proper) release of harlequins, I wouldnt hold my breath, for some reason the good'ol boys at GW seem to think that harly's aint worth it.......a-holes......

ah, my bad. Rending Shuriken Cannons would be much cooler, and might convince me to convert all my Falcons to have them. As to the catapults, I must have been thinking of them because they were discussing them on the Black Templars forum. :P

I agree about the Harlequins, but we can always hope that they'll at the very least get a good mention with the fluff.

i have heard that the craftworld stuff will be added into the edlar codex (in a similar way to how the chaos codex is set out with the general stuff then the specific gods/craftworlds

I heard people saying that too, that all the craftworld stuff will be in the new Eldar codex rather than having two seperate codex's...... So you would only have to buy one codex ..

Brak

I think thats what Meaphet meant Brak. :)

That will be really helpful, but I just hope they don't make the book so confusing like the Chaos one is. You have to flick through the entire thing to find weapon stats and special rules and stuff.


Something else that will interest me is the new Pheonix Lords, if they'll be revamped, or maybe left out (Though I doupt)? I hope not that later.

Cheers, Cal

Yeah Cal, actual I found that a few codex's are like that and it is quite annoying really :angry:

Firstly Cal, the Chaos Codex is hardly confusing, and secondly, there is absolutely no way that the Phoenix Lords will be left out because they are a very strong part of the Eldar background.

No way the Chaos Codex is confusing? :blink:

There is so much page flicking its often rediculous. For example if I created a Lord and chose to make him a Daemon Prince (by giving him more than 50 points of Daemonic abilities I think is how its done.) I have to flick to the page with daemonic abilities and read through them untill I find the right ones, then I have to flick to the page of Daemonic weapons if I give him one of those, then the wargear page. If I give him Wargear specific to a Greater Daemon (Eg: Khorn) then I have to flick to the book of Khorn to read the Wargear from there. Theres a page dedicated to Daemon special rules if you field blood letters or Daemonettes, and a page of psychic powers for a sorceror if I take one (plus the wargear I give him.)

There is so much page flicking it wouldn't surprise me if it takes over five pages to know all the rules for one model. Admittedly if you actually are a chaos collector and have gone through the codex then you most probably get used to it, but in my experience of going through the codex I just found it darn confusing.


Anyway, this isn't a discussion about the Chaos Codex. Its a descussion about the New Eldar one, which I think is pretty much set to be the next one released, as rumours on it are fastly growing here and on other sites.

Another thought just came to me. I know Harlequins would be unlikely to be released in the codex, but a Harlequin special character would be kinda cool. Same sort of idea as a Pheonix Lord (Wanders the warp, apearing on Craftworlds every hundred years or so.) Douptedly one like this will apear but its again a nice wishful thought.

Cheers, Cal

I agree with Cal the Choas Codex is confusing. :huh:

Yeah i know, i was just saying that i also had heard about that happening.......

Your damn right it is. My freind plays Chaos and i read through his codex, all the information you need to make an army list is all over the place. The unit's are near the begining, the wargear llist is like at the front, then a few pages explaining what it all does, and then you have to search for the page with the chapter you want for the special rules, which is like at the back.........

Also, the special characters arnt in the same spot, they are under whatever chapter the hero belongs to......

The Dark Eldar codex is so much simpler Imo......

Ive flicked through the Eldar one as well, its also very simple.......

My chaos freind is far from used to it, he's been playing for a while and still cant recite all the demonic abilities he uses from heart......

And thus ends my longest ever post...... Brak :P

well i actually kind of like the layout of the chaos codex because for the amount of wargear you can get it is well set out, i suppose it helps that i know what most stuff does, but, for my Death Guard army all i have to do is look at my army list and i know what everything does (i actually forget what wargear he has a times (mainly my Minor Psychic Powers)

Sure, but it could be a lot better.....

lol your just jealous because all you have is a 44 page codex and theirs is 80 :D

i actually saw their realese date plans but now i cant find it again

Off topic question.......whats with all the Sloganizers? :blink:


On Topic: Yeah it kinda sucks looking at the old Codex' compared to the newer ones. The newer ones are crammed full of way more stuff, mainly fluff and special characters and Wargear. Wether as the old Codex' are paper thin and only contain the rules and small fluff articles. It will be alot better for the hobby, and alot fairer for all races when their all brought up to speed.
Looking at the armies I saw at Conflict very reently, most players seem to go for the newer released armies for a new force. (*Cough*Black Templars*Cough*)

Cal

well i brought my sloganiser over from csg, i have a feeling that the other went there and got their own.

thats the most annoying thing about new codex's all the newbs play them simply because theyre new, im currently ankle deep in Tau players, and im doing a hand stand!, it used to be Templar players but now theres only 3, 1 of which was playing them for 2 years before their codex (hes the one responsible for 3 of my losses)

ok attmept 2 at posting this

heres a rumour that ive heard twice now, Robby williams is an eldar player, hes apparently not the best player but makes all his opponents laugh, with some weird antidotes, all his eldar have different voices...

I could believe that that.

An interesting pro for when the Eldar codex is re-released is hopefully this site will get an influx of members wanting to discuss the new codex.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to having a few more members floating around the place.

im actually quite worried about the new codex coming out. they screwed up the tau fluff with the new tau codex.... god knows what they will do with the eldars fluff.

has anyone heard the rumour that they will include dark eldar in the eldar codex?

on that note, i am really worried they are going to screw up dark eldar, and try to make them somthing they arnt... they are supposed to be fragile, but latly gw seems to want to make all the races more forgiving....

as for the eldar, lets hope they dont do what they did with marines and guard, and make all the craftworlds more generic and make "roll your own craftworld" rules....

i also really hope they dont screw up the models, im actually rather fond of most of the dark eldar models. :(

im also really hoping that they dont make any more of the models plastic, they will just loose all their eldary detail

I'm hoping they'll do something with the Harlequins. Anything is good, even just verifying that they do, in fact, exist.

@ UltraMagnus,

Your hoping for alot. To tell the truth I agree with you. I can see them arming the Craftworld Eldar with a bunch of crazy new c**p that we don't need (much like they did the Tau.) and give them fancy new looking models.
Quite frankly the only things in the ELdar army that need a buff are is the Avatar, Farseers powers and maybe wargear, and change a few things that were made useless by the 4th edition. (Like Surprise assault, which is now useless to the Warp spiders seeming that they can't charge the same turn they fire.)
A few new rules would be apreciated but their not overly needed.

On the Dark Eldar, your the first person that I've ever heard say they like the current Dark Eldar models. I really hope they don't make them apart of the Craftworld Eldar Codex because they'd probably lose alot of their identity (and it would be a really thick codex.) and I do hope they don't mess up the craftworlds or fluff.

@ Spoony,

Like we discussed before it would be really cool if they did do something with the Harlequins, but that is really unlikely that they'll get any rules. It would be nice though if they did get a mention in the fluff. But don't worry, they do exist, my regular oponents found that out the hard way.

then allow me to be the second, i love most of the models..... but some are pretty bad i admit...... like mandrakes, OMG have you seen the one where his pistol is bigger than most of his body??? terrible.....

But i do love the warriors, raiders/ravageres, talos, most wyches, jetbikes and the lords are good with a bit of converting......
hellions look a bit weird tho....

Brak

I was on the Games-Workshop website before (Australian one), and was looking at the models sneak peak. I noticed that the orks are soon getting some new models, and that the Eldar are getting a new Heavy Weapons platform (which looks almost exactly like the old one!)

This means that for the next codex, its a heavy toss up between Eldar and Orks. I've got my fingers crossed that krazyboris was right though, and that Eldar are next.

@ Brak'hir,

funny that....I don't think the Darkldar models are that bad either personaly. thete are a few that could be brought up to scratch though...

I personally think that most of the dark eldar metals are good, but I'm not everly fond of the warriors.

From what I've heard, the Eldar are going to be realeased later this year, but if it's a contest between the orks, then they should win, because their codex is much older than the Eldar.

I hope to God that they don't include the Eldar and Dark Eldar in one codex, because, like Calaith said, they would loose a lot of their identity.

Also at Calaith, the new heavy weapon teams may look the same, but they're plastic, which means that they are significantly better in most respects (I still prefer the older ones though, they are less "bulky")

actually, the plastic warriors are some of my favourite models....

yeah, i think they basically "scanned" the metal one with their new computer fingys

but the new platforms will loose all their detail because they are plastic...

I've also heard of late that the big secret of the Vostryans is that they in fact worship the Necrons (I'm not going to argue with this again Cal, as it very well may be that they worship the Star Gods and not the Necrons, but I don't overrly care at the momnet because that is what I've heard).

the worst part about the Vostryans is that theyre a limited run thing again

Lol arnt you lot in for a terrible shock :ph43r:. I'v seen a possible new codex & it's not pritty :(.

Where, how, when, whats it look like, WHY IS IT A TERRIBLE SHOCK


lol i must know all

It looks like A4 sheets of paper with writeing on it ;) & your in for a shock because if you own Eldar now your going to be selling them on ebay soon.

A4???? AHHHHH!!!!! No wait....

Selling them on ebay.... what have they done to ruin the eldar???

On the bright side they have raised there point values up a bit so you wont have to buy much more models.

Thats not really that bright, biel tan barely get to take many models at all....

(are biel tan the green and white guys??? who take banshees and scorps etc for troops?? thats who im talking about)

I think the cutting bie tan out as well as the others & making them with the army building plan in the new codex. So no worrys there.

But my Seer Counsil costs that much now! :(

Actually, now that I think about it, a Craftworld planner thingy does sound like something GW would do at the moment (virtually every other new Codex they've released over the last couple of years has it). I think that it'll be a good thing, as long as they still keep the original craftworld seperate, and better than any possible new combinations.

I just remembered that I've also heard a rumour about plastic Wraithguard (Yay!), and if so, I'll have a squad of ten before you can blink.

I reckon if they come up with a Craftworld planner thingamabopsy, similar to creating your own Chapter in the SM codex, would be interesting. I simply hope they make it possible to still create the existing Craftworlds. Their tied so closely to fluff I doupt they'd really axe any of them completely.


As for the Plastic Wraith Guard, I really doupt they'll be cheap. Maybe $65 Aus for a squad of 5 is my guess.

ok, this topic has been covered rather extensively on the other forums that i go on and it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what some of you are making it out to be

firstly there is a rather large rumour that Eldar are being released on November 6 this year and the Dark Angels will be shortly after. The Eldar are getting 2 new things for the up and coming medusa V campaign, the new weapons platform and new rangers (which look awesome btw :D ), there are lots of rumours with new plastic models being brought out, but fear not as in the last white dwarf there was an article explaining that they can get all new detail in plastic models now because of advances in technology and in the next 10 years it will be possible to field armies made entirely of plastic. Also the rumour of mixing Dark Eldar and Eldar codexes into one is very old, and has been put away as nonesense multiple times (although being a rumour it amy still be true)

and nothing has been mentioned of harlequins, although i would love to see them get their own models and codex :)