Hi guys,

I was sitting down thinking about what HQ I should take in a battle today, and as my thoughts strayed on the Avatar I wondered. What is the Avatar actually made of?

Ok, so we know that he has molten blood, inner organs of fire and skin as hard as steal. Yet is he made of the stuff of the warp like other daemons are?

He isn't summoned like other daemons (though according to fluff he is summoned before battle as we know), he doesn't suffer from instability like other daemons. So is he a daemon made by and summoned from the warp, or something else?

I mean I know that he comes from the Shrine of Kaela Mensha Khaine at the centre of each craftworld, but is that in itself a source of warp energy (as in a fragment of the origional Kaela Mensha). It couldn't really be a warp portal that they summon him from, otherwise other daemons and such could get at the Avatar's essence from inside the warp!


Anyway, I just thought that it was an interesting thought. What do you guys think? Do you have your own theories, or do you have somewhere that gives us the answer?

Cheers, Calaith

Hmm, that is something to ponder...

I would say that the Avatar isn't comprised of warp energy, as the Eldar dispise the warp. I would say that it is made of a substance similar to warp energy, but not connected in anyway to the warp. It would have the power of the Eldar gods running through it, which would probably be a "substitute" for warp energy. Also, I distinctly remember reading that it its skin/blood (one or both of the two) is made of molten magma.

An interesting question Cal, must ponder (and research) it some more...

You seriously must have them confused with someone else. The Eldar do not dislike the warp on any level! On the contrary, they use the warp as a weapon, as a way of travel, as an energy source, and a hundred other things!

The Eldar dislike the foul chaos gods and deamons with in the warp, but they in no way dislike the warp itself.

I also find it hard to believe that there is any substitute for the warp. The warp is a anti/parallel universe to the real space universe. Unless there was a third universe then there is no substitutre for the warp.

That is true. The Avatar's blood is of molten lava and magma, while his skin is that of the hardest steal....if only he had an armour save to reflect this.. <_< ....soon, very soon.

Cal

Now it is you who is confused, what you refer to is the webway.

On your second point, the warp is essentually the realm of Chaos, it is the essence fo the Chaos gods, and they have complete and utter dominion over it. There are only two reasons for the Eldar to love the warp in my mind. Firstly, they can occasionally such those pesky Space Marine characters into it with the help of d-cannons; and secondly (correct me if I'm wrong on this point) isn't it the ultimate bane of the Necrontyr, or something very similar to it?

I don't mean substitute for the warp as in it is from another realm, I just mean it is an energy that is powerful enough to give the Avatar essence and strength (and I would have thought that the Gods would be a great place to source this from).

the webway is another way to chanale the warp and with out it there would no psycic powers

Exactly what Chani said. The Web-way is not a source of energy or anything else like the warp. The web-way is merely a series of (once safe) tunnels that connect Craftworlds, maiden worlds, the Black Library and number of other locations. It is the warp, not the web-way that gives Eldar their power.

The warp is not the essence of Chaos, thats simply what the Chaos like to believe. Sure the Chaos hold dominion over it, but the warp was there long before Chaos was. The Eldar gods were once the gods who ruled over th web way, and this was before the Chaos gods even exsisted!

And of course before that, and before the web way existed, the warp was used by the Old Ones as an energy source and way to cast psychic powers and such. That was when the warp was totaly void of any gods or daemons.

So why on earth would the Eldar hate the warp, if it is essentially the source of all their power? I repeat, there is a destinct difference in the warp, and the webway. The webway is merely a a large series of (once safe) tunnels that are used to move through the warp.

Hmm, I'm getting backed into a corner here...

Okay, I'll admit that I initially got my wires crossed. The Eldar might not necessarily hate the warp itself, but they most certainly hate the chaos with their dominion over it. The thing is however, Chaos has complete and utter dominion over it, and therefore they are essentially one (although the energy can be harnessed by others. The warp and chaos are inseperably entwined, and the only way to remove chaos from the warp is to kill the chaos gods.

I never said (or even implied) it was. You are completely misunderstanding what I was trying to say. You said that the warp was used for a source of travel, I said no, that was the webway (I do admit that I quoted too much of your sentence however), and when I said another energy source, I didn't mean thta there was another dimension, or that it was taken from the webway, I was jsut refering top another source of powerful energy.

wait a minute, chani is completely wrong, the webway has nothing to do with warp it does not effect the eldars powers in ANY way. it is purely a means of getting from a-b.

yes the chaos hold the warp now, but they have always called it home. even before the so called gods of chaos, there was evil there, the enslavers are the ancestors of the chaos gods.

and to kill the chaos gods and eliminate the warp, one would have to destroy all psycic minds in the universe.


getting back on topic now, the avatar is sumoned fron the very core of the craft world that is completely comprised of wraith bone.