Title: Cold Snap
Description: WTF!?
Barook - October 24, 2005 10:34 AM (GMT)
WTF is going on with Wizards?
Cold Snap:wha:
i guess this was one the "suprises" MaRo was talking about.
what`s up next? reprinting masque block with actually playable cards? ;)
Fonzy - October 24, 2005 03:17 PM (GMT)
I wonder if all this crap like releasing this set and printing Mirage on MTGO is actually them testing the waters for reprinting older stuff like the P9 eventually.
Law - October 24, 2005 04:55 PM (GMT)
Still its nice from a vitage stand poit. Well I can hope anyway.
Junkcicle - October 24, 2005 06:47 PM (GMT)
This raises so many questions...
goblinmatt - October 24, 2005 06:54 PM (GMT)
I had to look at that three times :wha:
Dza76Wutang - October 24, 2005 08:33 PM (GMT)
So it will be a "new" set that will be legal in what formats? Eternal only? WTF!?!? I'm so confused by this.
Barook - October 24, 2005 10:02 PM (GMT)
well, we`ll get more information on wednesday about it.
i can just hope that it doesn`t turn out to be a crappy idea like the pro tour player cards...
PLUSt - October 24, 2005 10:42 PM (GMT)
I bet they reprint the duals!
And force of will!
And Beta Moxen! In this set!
And they only do this online!
Or, can we just not talk about this until Wendsday?
...
EnialisLiadon - October 25, 2005 12:32 AM (GMT)
I thought Homelands was the third set in the Ice Age block...
Lyle H - October 25, 2005 01:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fonzy @ Oct 24 2005, 10:17 AM) |
| I wonder if all this crap like releasing this set and printing Mirage on MTGO is actually them testing the waters for reprinting older stuff like the P9 eventually. |
Sadly from what I know, the no reprint list is something Hasbro came up with, not Wizards.(from what I know)
Fonzy - October 25, 2005 03:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lyle H @ Oct 24 2005, 08:08 PM) |
| QUOTE (Fonzy @ Oct 24 2005, 10:17 AM) | | I wonder if all this crap like releasing this set and printing Mirage on MTGO is actually them testing the waters for reprinting older stuff like the P9 eventually. |
Sadly from what I know, the no reprint list is something Hasbro came up with, not Wizards.(from what I know)
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Well, meh, they're not going to reprint any actual Ice Age cards anyhow. Any idiot with a brain would have realized that before posting.
:derf: <---Me
Saffire - October 26, 2005 04:02 AM (GMT)
Law - October 26, 2005 04:59 AM (GMT)
Plus it seems with the theme deck they will reprint some ice age cards. Though they will still only be legal in type one and other formats they are legal in now.
ChocoCid - October 26, 2005 05:05 AM (GMT)
Force of Will reprint power!
I will be so happy if they do that. :cool:
Barook - October 26, 2005 08:00 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChocoCid @ Oct 26 2005, 07:05 AM) |
Force of Will reprint power!
I will be so happy if they do that. :cool: |
the more i think about it, the more possible it can be.
a FoW reprint doesn`t interfere with Wizards current policy to weaken blue because FoW would only be legal in the eternal formats. due to the fact that it`s a reprint of an alliance card (and not a reprint in another set like 9th), it doesn`t violate the reserve list.
FoW is uncommon, so it`s quite possible that at least one FoW could be included in a deck. with the support of legacy, the demand for FoW increases. that way, they would deal with the problem "Jitte-style" (putting a chase card into a precon which is more worth than the precon itself - shitloads of ppl will buy the precon and wizards earn loads of $$$ - it`s a win-win situation for both sides ;) ).
anyway, go go, Cold Snap!
GrungD - October 26, 2005 11:19 AM (GMT)
EDIT: I'm a moron. Misread article.
Carry on, nothing to see here.
Fonzy - October 26, 2005 12:51 PM (GMT)
Wow.
Reprints = teh s3xxy.
Also: Why the fuck do you think they'd reprint power?
TraptUnderIce - October 26, 2005 12:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fonzy @ Oct 26 2005, 06:51 AM) |
| Also: Why the fuck do you think they'd reprint power? |
+t rambling?
ChocoCid - October 26, 2005 02:15 PM (GMT)
There's power in IA/AL to reprint? :wha:
Fonzy - October 26, 2005 02:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ChocoCid) |
Force of Will reprint power!
I will be so happy if they do that. :cool |
| QUOTE (ChocoCid) |
| There's power in IA/AL to reprint? :wha: |
What do you have multiple personality disorder or something?
oddfish - October 26, 2005 02:41 PM (GMT)
I think you just misinterpreted his use of the word power as a reference to the P9, rather than the powerfulness of FoW, which is what I believe Cid meant.
Fonzy - October 26, 2005 02:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (oddfish @ Oct 26 2005, 09:41 AM) |
| I think you just misinterpreted his use of the word power as a reference to the P9, rather than the powerfulness of FoW, which is what I believe Cid meant. |
Ah.
Are Be El - October 26, 2005 02:51 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (EnialisLiadon @ Oct 24 2005, 07:32 PM) |
| I thought Homelands was the third set in the Ice Age block... |
That's kind of what I thought.
TraptUnderIce - October 26, 2005 03:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Are Be El @ Oct 26 2005, 08:51 AM) |
| QUOTE (EnialisLiadon @ Oct 24 2005, 07:32 PM) | | I thought Homelands was the third set in the Ice Age block... |
That's kind of what I thought.
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Buehler said they just kind of threw Homelands out their on the shelves. For some reason that makes alot of sense.
topdecker - October 26, 2005 03:53 PM (GMT)
i'm gonna have to go with the WTF!?! on this one. at first it sounded like kinda a cool idea, providing a that it not be a part of type2.
personally i don't like having that extra crap around in t2... the flavor of it just doesn't fit... just some random, haphazard set on the side mixed in. also... isn't the timing of this pretty close to regionals? when does 3rd set of Rav and this rotate in in relation to regionals will be interesting. the meta already changes so rapidly i really don't like how this will affect things at that time of the year (more from a financial standpoint hehe).
i think it's kinda cool that they are doing this, but i think they are really going about it in the wrong way. personally, if they are gonna do things like this and start releasing mirage forward online, then this is what they need to do....
starting with ice age, they need to start reprinting EVERY block, with a few stipulations...
1. go ahead and add in this so-called 3rd set from Ice Age (as an aside, i kinda think the whole "we just kinda found this pile of R&D files and now we giving it to you" is complete bullshit story, but whatever).
2. print the cards in the new face style, or a 3rd, to keep the old one's distinct and sexxxxah. maybe even make these new cards white bordered (ewwwwww).
3. sadly, no foils, again to help keep value of older cards.
4. reprint and make available one new set every freaking month until they are all on the shelves. new sets get added to this reprinting style after 2-3 years. fix things like wording and crap on the cards along the way.
just a few thoughts i've had recently. i know, this would devalue a few cards out there, but it would also accomplish a few things... it would allow more players to get cards from these older sets and compete in more tournament types.
i took a few years off from magic, and would love to go buy a few boxes of some of the sets that i missed, there's really no reason on wizard's part not to have that stuff still on the shelves, they'd still be making money off me, instead of making none from the 3rd parties selling thier singles.
and why can't me and my friends go down and buy some packs and have a Urza's block draft? or a mirage sealed deck? seems like it would do nothing but make wizards more cash. it's still not reprinting the p9 or duals (which they really ought to do also, at least the lands), but would allow a lot more players to experience more formats.
Adam - October 26, 2005 08:32 PM (GMT)
The thing is that the set cannot have the same flavor as the other expansion sets in the block. There are no interrupts, the three-for-one rule is no longer observed, and creatures generally can't be the most utter crap in the world (banding, come on!). So where does that leave a set like this?
How do they think they will print a set that observes pre-sixth flavor, and yet still have to observe a post-sixth environment? They re-defined the freaking coor wheel for god sakes! Where on earth is this going to fit in for a block that featured dark ritual, blue lock components, disenchant as well as many other things that are against the new interpretation of the wheel?
Now, I, like many many other people, was so pissed at homelands that I completely stopped playing magic for countless expansions. I, in fact, completely took the game out of my mind, as I thought that no expansion set was going to make things better any longer, therefore the game was stagnant and stale.
Is this going to be the set that rights all the wrongs done to the magic players of yore with homelands? Is this set going to set right all the evils done by the R&D department since hasbro took over? Is THIS SET going to make me say "hey, wizards really is going in the right direction with how they are handling things, atta boy!"
Who knows.....
Adam's predictions for coldsnap (or whatever the hell they call it when it comes out):
1. Wizards will keep all over-casted creatures, and ditch all the good ones. Was black knight slated to come out? guess what, it won't be in the set.
2. Wizards will not rock the cradle by reprinting good cards in the theme decks that it hasn't already reprinted. Jester's cap and swords to plowshares are the best cards in ice age, and force of will is the best card in alliances. Since they won't reprint force, what the hell WILL they reprint.
3. There will not be a foil Gorrilla Shaman.
4. People will cringe at the thought of playing with this set, even though its crappy outcome will break at least two decks in standard, thus solidifying that standard is just that shitty of a format.
5. Vintage and Legacy will not benefit from the set at all.
And there you have it.
ChocoCid - October 26, 2005 08:39 PM (GMT)
PLUSt - October 26, 2005 08:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| the three-for-one rule is no longer observed |
:wtf:
imopen2 - October 26, 2005 09:17 PM (GMT)
i am excited to see what cards will have the new formating in the theme decks.
tidal kraken - October 26, 2005 09:26 PM (GMT)
I pretty much agree with dralock, except I think they will reprint gorilla shaman so we can have sexy foils of it.
Lightning edit: And there will be (yet another) reprinting of Zur's wierding.
HungryForPonza - October 27, 2005 02:51 AM (GMT)
They just had to put this close to Regionals...
Playing T2 sucks. Stupid Wizards and their stupid surprises.
However, if this leads to an affordable FoW for me, more power to them. :D
HarborMastr - October 27, 2005 04:53 AM (GMT)
No, it would kill wizards to do something beneficial to the game..........
Elonarc - October 27, 2005 07:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 26 2005, 03:32 PM) |
| the three-for-one rule is no longer observed |
Pardon, please?
Phantom Ogre - October 27, 2005 10:02 PM (GMT)
They will not be reprinting FoW except in the possible case of the precons; why would WotC print the same card twice within the same block?
PLUSt - October 27, 2005 10:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Phantom Ogre @ Oct 27 2005, 10:02 PM) |
| They will not be reprinting FoW except in the possible case of the precons; why would WotC print the same card twice within the same block? |
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
That's what everyone with half a brain is hoping for, dumbfuck.
Adam - October 28, 2005 02:24 AM (GMT)
Force of Will is on the no reprint list. Its not going to happen, or at least it shouldn't. Also, force of will is an uncommon, and a supercommon uncommon at that. The price of those cards reflects their power, out availability. There are plenty of boxes of alliances going around still, because its just not worth poping it for the 90% of crap in it.
The three for one rule of magic was part of the early development, where every color received a three for one mana card.
Ancestral Recall
Dark Ritual
Lightning Bolt
giant growth
healing salve
The ice age block kept this going reprinting cards that understood this rule, with the exception, of course, of incinerate. They gave it a second ability to temper the extra mana though.
Qmark - October 28, 2005 09:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 27 2005, 09:24 PM) |
| Force of Will is on the no reprint list. |
TraptUnderIce - October 28, 2005 12:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Qmark @ Oct 28 2005, 03:09 AM) |
| QUOTE (Adam @ Oct 27 2005, 09:24 PM) | | Force of Will is on the no reprint list. |
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FoW confirmed. End of story. :rolleyes:
supa_tim - October 28, 2005 08:07 PM (GMT)
Is there a list somewhere of the ice age and alliances cards that they will reprint yet?
How much do we actually know?
Horos - October 28, 2005 08:42 PM (GMT)
So........
They can reprint Oath of Druids but not Oath of Ghouls? WTF?!