Standard
No changes

Kamigawa Block Constructed
No changes

Extended
Aether Vial is banned
Disciple of the Vault is banned

Legacy
Imperial Seal is banned (effective October 20, 2005)

Vintage
Mind Over Matter is unrestricted
Imperial Seal is restricted (effective October 20, 2005)
Personal Tutor is restricted (effective October 20, 2005)

Discuss, bitch, etc.

Nothing too surprising, even if I don't agree with some of the changes.

I see wizards keeps reducing the pull on type 1 a little more. The tutors where a no brainer.

Over all I say the changes where great :).

Trying to think of a casual, non-Academy, non-Tim deck to use MoM with...

i like the ext bannings. we were talking about it in the ext forum and came to the conclussion that these 2 cards where the ones which could deserve a banning.

@the Extended bannings:

GAY.

That is all.

Well, I thought for sure grim tutor would have gotten it. Here comes Grim Long.

At least now I can make my uber broken Tim deck.... :shifty:

Agreed.

WOTC has gotten too liberal with banning stuff, esp. affinity related stuff. I kind of agree with vial but I almost had a foil playset, so fuck that. :P

I'm pissed for 3 reasons:
1.) They banned vial, totally ass-raping my goblins deck in extended, what the fuck am I going to put in there instead!?!?!
2.) Upheaval and Rude Awakening in Prismatic, WTF is that!?!?
3.) Still haven't unbanned recruiter in Legacy

Damn you DCI!

Agreed, I mean it hasent even rotated yet. :cry: I had two foil ones as well, guess i'll put them in wtf.

I agree with disciple, not with vial, but I'm happy in the end because it makes the deck I own (IRONWORKS) better. Now I just have to trade for some neeeeeeeedles.
:D

Knowing the DCI, the banning of Vial was probably due to Ravager too. OMG uncounterable ravager!!! OMG uncounterable Meddling Mage in extended! OMG OMG BAN BAN BAN!!!!!111111111

nope, i don`t think so. just have a look what a vial can do for a single mana:

- free creatures (---> accel)
- allows you to play off-color creatures (---> manafixing)
- creatures at instant speed (chump blocking, maybe even CA when the vialed creature can kill another one without dying)
- makes creatures uncounterable
- gives a kind of haste (also helps to dodge sorcery removal)
- helps creatures to dodge restrictions (e.g. Meddling Mage, Orim`s Chant, Pyrostatic Pillar, etc.)

vial warped the meta. vial gave aggro an additional speed boost, making it even able to race combo (wasn`t one dogma of goblins: "who cares about combo? we race them anyway"). and it made many things in control just useless (e.g. counters).

Vial does not provide acceleartion.

True, but said creatures are dead draws without a Vial.

True.

Most decks that abuse Vial have enough threats to make countermagic irrelevant anyhow.

I can see what you mean by the "pseudo-haste" thing, but how does it help a creature dodge removal?

True, but this is rarely relevant. Meddling Mage is control, and control decks will most often play mass removal instead of Mage to handle creatures. Orim's Chant is irrelevant because what good are Vialing out creatures if you can't attack? And Pillar is sided vs. combo, and combo wouldn't use Vial anyhow.

example:

Without Vial:
Turn 1: land, skirk prospector
Turn 2: land, sac skirk, warchief, swing
Turn 3: land, matron, search and play piledriver, swing

With Vial:
Turn 1: land, Vial
Turn 2: land, vial in skirk prospector, sac skirk, warchief, swing
Turn 3: land, matron, search and play piledriver, vial in another piledriver, swing

this was just an example. just prepare the basics without and with vial with constant land drops:

Without Vial:
Turn 1: 1cc drop
Turn 2: 2cc drop
Turn 3: 3cc drop
etc.

With Vial:
Turn 1: 0cc drop
Turn 2: 2cc drop + 1cc drop
Turn 3: 3cc drop + 1cc drop/2cc drop
etc.

as you can see, you are able to drop more creatures than normal - you can call it like you want, but i call this accel.

Pikula wasn´t always a dead draw in affinity. i guess you got me wrong. it helps to play creatures although you don´t have the right colored mana for them availabe right now. and vial increases the color consistency of the deck = color fixer

Sure, but sometimes, you really want some key creatures to hit the table. e.g a vialed hippie can bring havoc over tog while a countered one can`t. ;)

sure - no pyroclasm, no chainer´s edict, no WoG, etc.
again the hippie example: if i cast it on my turn, there is a fair chance that i can be hit with some of the named removal. but if i vial it in at the end of their turn, they have to wait at least until their next turn to use it - and it`s probably too late then when i can swing with a hippie to hit their stuff or end the game with a massive piledriver.

these were just examples. you may be right about Pikula. but i can vial in artifact hate creatures like Viridian Shaman to break the scepter lock and they can do shit against it (uncounterable ;)). and pillar was a bad example again - standstill anyone? ;)

Vial affinity and vial goblins are definitely the decks that the DCI were keeping an eye on. That's for sure.

ok, my bad.

reading >> me

i thought you were just refering to raffinity. :shifty:

I did happen to write that and I apologize for the confusion, however considering how ban-happy the DCI have been in regards to anything to do with affinity, I'm pretty sure that Raffinity was the determining point. However, if the DCI hasn't been smoking crack, then a considerably great swing in the decision taking was due to goblins.

Why didn't the DCI ban Zodiac Dragon? :ph43r:

The card is just way too powerful to be legal/go on without errata.

A.) It has been errat'd
B.) You were probably being sarcastic, in which case I hate the intraweb, for making that impossible to know.

Damn, I never saw the "graveyard from play" clause. :embarrass:

It was a bit exaggerated, but honestly did feel that Zodiac Dragon deserved banning.

It has nothing to do with then internet in this case. It has to with being impossible to tell whether or not Phantom Ogre is just that retarded. It is often hard to tell.

I'm happy that Vial / Disciple were gone. There are no real answer to them anyway, unless you force everyone to buy Needle or Damping.

With new extended, I see now why Disciple must go. The real problem came from this POS, not Ravager. I remembered CWish for Fire/Ice to kill this thing for many times when playing 'Tog.

i was thinking of that too.
i am thinking about a deck running arcainis (wow sp?) and other creatures that tap to draw 1-x cards.
idk what the win would be.
maybe storm brain freeze (i mean if u are gunna draw out your deck why not play it all too)

Its Arcanis and its not a bad idea if the kill card would be something like Spiraling Embers.

EDIT : After talking to imopen2 on AIM (yes I know its strange), we came up with a gay as fuck combo deck.

Rector -> Therapy self to drop Arcanis -> Rector fetches MoM

Use Goryo's Vengeance/Corpse Dance to get Arcanis + Haste, draw the deck, play Moxen and etc... and kill with Spiraling Embers, or go Storm based and kill with Tendrils.

I was thinking of using it with Squee, Death Spark and Krovikan Horror for a cool Opposition-like effect...but, Opposition is better as it's waaaaaaay easier to set up...