I know this is a taboo subject, I'm actually surprised no-one else has put this up. We all know the charges. If you don't, google it... I'd prefer not to talk about the actual charges as children might read this... but do you believe, based on the evidence from many sources, that he is guilty or not?

I havent been watching court Tv or NBC lately but i think he probably did the charges to one kid and then parents went money crazy from there and decided to charge him.

My other arguement is the new kids parents most likely had heard of his charges with the earlier kids so why are you going to let your son spend the night with him? If he did do it, its the parents fault as much as its michael jacksons.

i havent been watching it either... but just looking at him gives me the creeps! and i do think hes guilty.. i mean paying off someone just to keep quiet?! and then just AHHH! lock him up! i hate him! hes tooooo fake!

I agree, if I knew someone had been accused of doing what he's done and paid the accuser off, I'd never let them even meet him never mind stay with him. You have a duty of care to your children and your job is to protect them.
Saying that, I do believe MJ is very... hmm... don't know how to word this right, I don't mean simple, but kind of like that... naive and very 'in his own world'. I think that, since he was abused as a child, he is more likely to become an abuser, but that doesn't give people the right to manipulate him or accuse him of things. Maybe he did do it, but I think the people accusing have very questionable characters themselves, so I'm not quite sure where I stand.
I also know the media is manipulative and only lets you believe what they want you to, so it's a difficult situation.

I think Michael has done some things. I also believe that he lost some of his mind over the years. Not having a childhood, having an abusive father, the weight of the family financial situation lying heavily on you... all are sure to take a toll.

Michael's surgeries to look like something we see as horrific though he sees as beauty; well that's indicative of living in some sort of denial.

While I don't think these things are excuses for his actions, I do think they played a part in what lead up to the situations.

Personally I think he did things; but I also believe that no parent in their right mind would have allowed their child to spend the night there when they had heard about sleeping situations and such.

It is really sad (sick) that enough money to a victim’s family can get them to withdrawal the charges. I don’t feel that is right. He is guilty or he is innocent.

Why should the rich be allowed to pay for their troubles to go away? An illegal act is an illegal act PERIOD. If a person is guilty then they should find him help or lock him up so he doesn’t destroy any other young children lives.

On the other hand, if this second family is falsely accusing him to try to extort money. Then they should be punished. We all know that the laws are in place that covers all of this. Aaaggghhhh!!!!

there are sooo many weirdos out there

that's the way i feel too. you get these pop ups with him on them all the time, and its like thats so FREAKY! i think if you wanted to see him you can go look for him, i know he'd totally freak out my little brothers. and these are like harmless rabbitry geocities sites and stuff, where any little kid might look. not that its really "bad" but just...weird.

I dont know whether he is guilty or not, but he is certainly frightening!

That about sums up my opinion too!

I agree in my opnion that he is just plain not right.......when you are rich and famous you can even keep your children away from the birth mother? reconstructing his face to the point of no return, I think a loved one should have stepped in a long time ago when things started to go wrong for this man. Yes his music is out of this world and he is too!

This is only my opnion and never my intention to harm anyone for being different.

Deb

I think he's never been happy with himself... having an abusive father would do that to anyone... supposedly he's always hated his wide nose... but his surgery has gone to extremes... That isn't really the point though. What someone looks like does not determine their personality... just because I smile, it does not mean I'm happy...
I mean, look at the Bride of Frank... I mean Wildenstein! She looks weird, doesn't mean that she's an abuser though, does it?! :)

true.

ok, i am going to say this, because it is the debates and politics forum, but i am not trying to start a debate or start this up agian...

see what can happen when people take God out of their lives? he needs the Lord. (which trust me sounds like a completely ridiculous thing to say. like "HIM! you really think HE could find the Lord!?!?!" well, no i certainly dont think he will, but anything is possible. remember saul/paul...

I don't know if he's guilty or not to be honest, because when someone's that messed up... What I do know is that I'm appalled that any parent would let their child stay with someone under those circumstances.

There are plenty of religious people in the world who are weird, so I don't agree with that. :)
In the 1950s/60s when, in Britain and probably around the world (I haven't researched that far), many girls and boys were being abused in Catholic homes. There was even a film made on it called The Magdelene Sisters. The Nazareth House group of catholic children's homes was notorious for it's abuse in Scotland. When my gran's mother died, some of her family (without knowing what was happening at the time) wanted her to be put into one of the Nazareth House children's home, but her father refused to give her up... something my gran is VERY pleased about today. She actually cried when she saw The Magdelene Sisters because of all the things that went on and how it could've happened to her. There is plenty of information online documenting the abuse and survivors recollections of the abuse. :(
I would never tar every religious person with the same brush as I know alot of religious people do very good work all over the world e.g. Christian Aid, but at the same time, to say that finding God will stop someone from abusing, etc. is not something that I agree with. :) And I'd also like to say that my great great auntie Agnes is in a Nazareth House care home just now and receives optimum care. Sister Myron is an absolute gem and has helped my family no end. :)
I may not have God in my life, but I have morals... something child abusers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, burglars, theives and the rest of criminal society do not.
Anyway, after all my rambling, I thought MJ did believe in God... ?? :confused:

i know we already had a religions thread, and that is not what i am trying to start here, but remember, being religious, believing in God, saying you are a catholic or christian, that's not the same as recieving Jesus as your personal savior, and living for Him. :)

I am not a parent, but it does seem extremely irresponsible of them, imo.

When I went to a particular church as a child, there was a man the kids called 'Uncle Sam', and uncle sam would give you a candy if you sat on his knee while we were listening to the preacher. Needless to say I sat on his knee only once, but there were many many children who did on a continual basis, and adults sitting right beside him, you could see what he was doing. Sorry I had to share this....

Yes I believed MJ was a Jehovah Witness, I also studied with JW for 3 years! until they finally gave up on me, tried to destroy my marriage and since I would not get babtized they walked away. I am a very good person, keep god in my heart, and very rarely enter a church. I am considered to most giving, kind hearted and have faith.

Deb

i didnt mean that just because he was weird means that he isnt religious, (lots of people are weird because they are religious.) christians can be weird. weird isnt what i meant.

I am Catholic Christian and I am faithful, but I gotta tell you that this has nothing to do with the Lord. I know good people who are atheist, agnostic or some things that the name might scare you..... but they aren't freaks and they wouldn't do something horrible to a child.

I believe that people are good generally. I think people lose their decency somewhere along the line.... I think it's less a lack of prescence of "good" as the prescence of evil or negativity or sadistic nature......

In other words; it's not what they don't have but what they allow in....

Personally, I have a hard time imagining him really trying to hurt a child - but then what the heck do I know!? However, I can't BELIEVE, ANY parent would let their child stay with him if there was even the slightest chance of any rumor being true.

BBB, I think you are right. i reread what i wrote and it doesnt really make sense. Not every moral thing has to do with God.

I'm glad you understood what I meant. Sometimes it's not easy to express these ideas.

When it all comes down to the line..... I pray he didn't do those things. If he did I am praying for the victim and hope that it never happens again with justice being served.

If he didn't, I hope those people receive justice in some form for dragging him through that H*ll.

I agree again with my friend :) , I never wont to be the judge, and we live in such a vast array of religions that are so similiar, and I always lean towards not judging, no matter the religion, as I always have to show respect and understanding because its real to you or them (as their life). As for MJ I too would agree with BB on this one as well.

I am sure we have all learned something from listening to each other and that's the great thing about being here, and sometimes I reread my comments and thread and go 'no way I didn't mean it that way lol', so for that I respect you :)

Debbie

I'm not sure if he did do it or didnt.

I couldnt really say one way or another. I havent really been reading papers or watching the court stuff on cable tv but I think you really have to be there, in the court room and see all the evidence to decide for yourself.

I didnt realise he was abused when he was younger but I totally agree with Ang that he is more likely to do it because he was abused as a kid, I do think that is more likely to happen. You read all the time in the papers that an abuser was abused themselves when they were younger!

To be honest tho, I couldnt really care less if he done it or not! lol He's on his own planet and totally withdrawn from the real world.

Remember at that awards ceremony (not sure if it was MTV Music Awares) when Britney Spears asked him tp come on stage to present a Lifetime Achievement award, but when he got on stage, he started saying a thank you speech cos he thought he has won it! And to make it worse, no one dared tell him that he got it wrong so everyone just went along with it! It was the most embarassing thing I've ever seen! He really does need some sort of help I think.

LMAO! I didn't know that had happened! :ROFL:

GRRRRRRRRR!!! IM SOO MAD! I'VE BEEN YELLING AND CURSING AT THE TV!! HES NOT GUILTY ACROSS THE BOARD!!!!

Watching CNN right now.

im watching Court TV.. this stupid chick said that the kid that got molested by Michael Jackson is in the witness protection program! if she had respect for them she wouldnt have said that!!! AHHH im getting sooo worked up over this!

I was surprised by the verdict too. :doh: