Title: Homosexuality
becc_boland - December 5, 2005 03:22 PM (GMT)
Ive just had a debate with a friend about this and would like to hear other peoples views. I understand this may be a touchy subject but will deal with it! I know some of you are Christian etc and I am interested to know your views. I will add my point of view in the morning.
Cheers,
Becc
Delphinum - December 5, 2005 04:00 PM (GMT)
No problem with it at all... I've been brought up to respect people's rights to do as they please so long as it harms no-one else... and what other people do in their bedrooms (or wherever they want!) is none of my business.
What I didn't like was one of Dan's aquaintances pestering him. Dan told him he was straight but this guy wouldn't give up... but that was just that guy alone, it's not like every gay man would do that... If a woman had done the same, I'd still be annoyed. <_< And would probably feel more threatened and insecure about it if I'm honest.
rabbitrae - December 6, 2005 01:51 AM (GMT)
I am a christian and In the bible it says God created Adam...... and God saw he was lonely... so God created Eve. If God wanted Adam to have another Male he would of made Adam one. If you have a bible handy and look up the story of Lot it will help some more as well.
So My opion is wrong; a sin. and besides that its discusting.
I pray for those people for they are soo lost :(
Cinnabun - December 6, 2005 02:15 AM (GMT)
it doesnt bother me as long as i dont see it.. i dont have a problem with PDA but not with gay people.. i dont like to see the same sex kissing or whatever.. i was brought up the same way Ang was.. but my brother and i have been hanging out a lot, and so i've picked up his habits.. like he is a major homophob
Love4Lops - December 6, 2005 02:36 AM (GMT)
Well I'm Roman Catholic, but I don't base my views solely on my religion but a lot on my personal feelings.. I am against gay marriage; I just don't think it is "right". Marriage in my opinion is meant only for a husband and wife. As for seeing gay people kissing, it makes me feel disgusted. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand how someone could love a person of the same sex in that way. But then again, I'm not so extreme as I would run outside with picket signs saying "Ban same sex marriage", etc. or be violent verbally or physically to a person because they are different. Being straight does not make me superior.
Cinnabun - December 6, 2005 03:05 AM (GMT)
i found out a couple of weeks ago that my Ex is Bi!! he didnt even tell me that he was.. i was sooooo mad!
rabbitrae - December 6, 2005 03:17 AM (GMT)
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| Marriage in my opinion is meant only for a husband and wife. As for seeing gay people kissing, it makes me feel disgusted. It just doesn't make sense to me.. |
I agree!
MyBabyBunnies - December 6, 2005 04:25 AM (GMT)
Personally, i don't dislike someone for that reason but I don't agree with people flaunting it. If that's what they want then fine but I don't want to see it. They just recently legalized same sex marriages and I could not watch the news when they showed the marriages.
That being said, I have nothing against what people choose since I believe in happiness. It's just not my preference.
Kismet - December 6, 2005 05:00 AM (GMT)
I don't have a problem with it. It's definitely not "my thing", but people are free to do whatever they please.
I don't like the mentality of some homosexuals though - I don't want to see them making out in public places (nor would I want to see straight people making o ut in public places - it goes both ways). I know some of them are proud or angry at people that are against them - doesn't mean they should flaunt it. No one should. I'm sorry but...keep it in your bedroom? <_<
Other than that, I'm not one to judge someone for something like that.
I do think gay marriage is just odd, but I understand WHY they are fighting for it. I think that if people would give them the rights they deserve with their loved ones without them having to be married, then there would not be the whole problem with "gay marriage".
Dwarf_Angel04 - December 6, 2005 05:13 AM (GMT)
What a toughy!
As long as they aren't affecting me then I'm fine with it.
There are a lot of REALLY nice homosexuals and quite a few are in rabbits. There's one in my breed close by but he's a sweetie and I didn't know it till I was informed by another breeder. He's a sweetie and huggie which doesn't bother me since he's not attracted to women.
They are humans and shall be treated as such. Meaning they should have the same rights as anyone else. Bedroom stuff should be kept in the bedroom. However, the media has made people believe it should be more 'open'.
I personally hate seeing PDA anyways..... its just as gross seeing a man & women as it is a man & man or women & women to me.
becc_boland - December 6, 2005 10:27 AM (GMT)
This is why I started this topic.. to see different views. I don't "love" homosexual people.. neither do i "hate them". I think homosexuality is something you are born with, not an environmental thing. I guess in a way it is a choice.. you choice to do something about it but you dont really chose to be "gay". I have nothing against male-male couples or female-female couples. I also agree with Love4Lops, I also see marraige as a husband and a wife.. But i also think if two of the same sex are in love they should be allowed to marry. See my views are kind of weird lol i cant help it!!!
April - December 6, 2005 04:16 PM (GMT)
Ok..I think homosexuality is wrong. According to my religious beliefs..it is wrong and they will not go to heaven for it.
But...I still love them. Just because I believe they are sinning does NOT mean I have ill feelings for them. SOme of my best friends in life are and have been homosexual. They know my religious beliefs. We are honest with each other and are fine.
I think premarital sex is a sin...and I believe that homosexual marriage is wrong. But..just like I wouldn't picket some teen having sex...I'm not going to harrass homosexuals.
Wooligans - December 6, 2005 07:12 PM (GMT)
I have no problem with gay people. My best friend is a gay guy and I've also had a gay roomate before. I am not religious, nor do I ever plan on becoming religious. It is my belief that people do not CHOOSE to be gay. It is something that is genetic, that they were born with. As my gay friend says "Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay?". So they can be harrassed, tortured and sometimes killed by people who are not tolerant? No one would choose that. I am lucky that I live in a very diverse area. Different races, religions, and preferences, it's all good to me! I don't have a problem with gay people kissing. To me, it's the same as straight people kissing. Two people who are attracted to each other, showing affection. I believe that gay people should be allowed to be married. I will leave you with this:
My country tis of thee, sweet land of hypocrisy
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans...
Nienna - December 6, 2005 07:25 PM (GMT)
I don't have a problem with homosexuality in general. I had a lot of homosexual friends as a teenager and never had any problems with them. I'm in agreement with Lisa - I don't believe that any sane person would consciously choose to be homosexual, given the abuse they often have to deal with. I believe that gay people are born with a predisposition towards homosexuality. Therefore, it's difficult for me to think of homosexuality as a "sin," although I admit that I'm not religious and never have been.
Lanna - December 6, 2005 07:54 PM (GMT)
Wooligans....Can I copy and Paste that to my sister...who is gay? ;)
I obviously have no problem with gay people/marriage. I am religious but not deeply religious. I have my own set of beliefs.
Having said that...A scripture comes to mind..
"Judge not, lest you be judged accordingly."
I dont judge gays, nor do I decide what theyre doing is right or wrong...From a moral standpoint I have no right to tell someone else what to feel or who to feel it for. From a religious standpoint..The bible plainly states that we have no right to judge anyone for any reason.
Sunshine - December 6, 2005 08:21 PM (GMT)
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I do think gay marriage is just odd, but I understand WHY they are fighting for it. I think that if people would give them the rights they deserve with their loved ones without them having to be married, then there would not be the whole problem with "gay marriage".
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I totally agree! I think I had said something similar in a different thread a while ago; I'm not sure there ever would have been a debate over same sex marriage if same sex partners would have been granted the most basic rights in the first place.
As for the religious part of the debate, I'm probably not your average 'Christian' but I don't particularly believe in God making mistakes ;) Some people are born with different attributes, gifts, needs and desires as others - and we'd probably be best off to accept and love each for their own :)
Cinnabun - December 6, 2005 08:37 PM (GMT)
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| 1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning. |
i dunno if i got it right.. because im soooo tired.. buttt...
i only reject glasses.. and i "wear" contacts.. but im all for the plastic surgery (im getting it) and AC i cant live without AC
Delphinum - December 6, 2005 08:55 PM (GMT)
:clap: Wooligans!
Being gay is natural as there are such things as gay sheep... scientific study proved it. :)
Wooligans - December 6, 2005 09:01 PM (GMT)
There's gay penguins too! :D
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cn...2-06-10/591.aspLanna, feel free to send to your sis. :)
Love4Lops - December 6, 2005 10:21 PM (GMT)
Gay animals? :unsure: I'm sorry but I don't believe that. Maybe the penguins are just very confused. lol
We all know that rabbits can show signs of admiration to other rabbits of the same sex. Emma used to give SB kisses...does that mean he is gay? No, of course not.
I don't think people are born gay. Maybe some are mistaken or just brought up a certain way. I don't know. Regardless, that's not for me to decide.
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| 1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning. |
I really don't think comparing materialistic things to homosexuality is reasonable.
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| 4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. |
The issue being debated in the world (or at least the U.S.) isn't whether to change straight marriage; it's whether or not to legalize same sex marriage.
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| 6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. |
Infertile couples and old couples should be allowed to marry because they are following the "right lifestyle". Gay couples should not IMO because they are choosing the "wrong lifestyle". I believe that some gay people are just lost. Getting married will not solve that.
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| 8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. |
Yes, obviously America consists of many diff. religions, but regardless of religion, I believe gay marriage/homosexuality in general is wrong.
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| 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans... |
Like I said before, I don't think comparing gay marriage to cars and etc. is reasonable. It's like comparing the Gandhi assassination to killing an ant or something. The two would obviously have totally opposite impacts on the world.
Kismet - December 6, 2005 10:38 PM (GMT)
Lisa...:ROFL: That was great!
Alot of valid points have been brought up on both sides here, and no one has been jumped on yet - excellent! I know some other forums where we would have all been at each other's necks by now. lol
Wooligans - December 6, 2005 11:46 PM (GMT)
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Gay animals? :unsure: I'm sorry but I don't believe that. Maybe the penguins are just very confused. lol
We all know that rabbits can show signs of admiration to other rabbits of the same sex. Emma used to give SB kisses...does that mean he is gay? No, of course not.
I don't think people are born gay. Maybe some are mistaken or just brought up a certain way. I don't know. Regardless, that's not for me to decide. |
Did you read the article? I'm not sure how you can argue with science.
If it's because they were brought up a certain way, how come my friend's brother isn't gay? They were brought up in the same (Christian, even) family. He knew from a very young age that he was "different".
I didn't write that little hypocrisy thing, just so everyone knows. :) I can only take credit for posting it.
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| I really don't think comparing materialistic things to homosexuality is reasonable. |
Why not? We're talking about things being "unnatural", right?
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| The issue being debated in the world (or at least the U.S.) isn't whether to change straight marriage; it's whether or not to legalize same sex marriage. |
Some people feel as if their straight marraige will be threatened somehow by gay marraige. Which is absurd.
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| Infertile couples and old couples should be allowed to marry because they are following the "right lifestyle". Gay couples should not IMO because they are choosing the "wrong lifestyle". I believe that some gay people are just lost. Getting married will not solve that. |
I don't think that being gay is a "lifestyle" any more than being straight is a "lifestyle". No one talks about the heterosexual lifestyle. It saddens me that you think it's "wrong". Getting married isn't trying to solve anything for gay couples. They just want to make a lifetime commitment to the person they love, just like straight people. What's so wrong with that? Gay people don't choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight.
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| Yes, obviously America consists of many diff. religions, but regardless of religion, I believe gay marriage/homosexuality in general is wrong. |
Why do you think it's WRONG? I think lots of religions are WRONG.
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| Like I said before, I don't think comparing gay marriage to cars and etc. is reasonable. It's like comparing the Gandhi assassination to killing an ant or something. The two would obviously have totally opposite impacts on the world. |
So do you feel that you will somehow be impacted if gay people are allowed to marry? How will it change your life? The whole CHANGE thing is what we're getting at here. Canada allows gay marraige. Is Canada crumbling under moral decay?