My mom worked for planned parenthood for about 3 yrs. Then we moved but I was wondering what the views of abortion are. My math teacher very strongly supported it. Her sister in law was pregnant. When she went to find out if everything was ok she found out the baby had a diesease that was killing it. well, then she found out if she went through with having the baby it might kill her and the baby. So she decided to have an abortion. I think it should not be outlawed.

I do not support abortion except in cases of rape (or diseases that kill the baby and could kill the mom). In "regular" cases where the baby is killed for convenience I think it is murder. Whether you are at the beginning of your life or the very end you are still living. JMO!

I do not support it. However each to its own decisions.

I fully agree with Love4Lops. I don't agree with it unless there are reasons such as rape or health issues. The again, I don't think it's right that a child has to suffer just becaue someone put their child up for adoption because they got pregnant at a young age. There are so many kids that never get adopted out, what kind of life is that?

I choose i dont know because it depends on the situation that i was going through.. if i were raped then i prob would get an abortion.. but if i had a kid that i didnt want i would put it up for adoption. both my aunts had an Abortion before the kids they have now.. they had it for no reason just because they didnt want the kid.. with that i dont support it.. but it really depends on the person.. my Health teacher told my class that people who hate it end up having it, and the people who wanted it tend to not get it.. so it gets flipped flopped.. before that i was agasint it.. but after i heard that its like.. that is true... so it depends on the situation... sometimes it can be good.. other times it gets abused, by teenage mothers mostly.. i've always wanted to be a teenage mother lol

I am really borderline on this subject.. I think women should have the right to control their own bodies (ie. unintential pregnancy, getting an abortion). However.. I think it's their own fault if it happens.. there are so many means to prevent it. In cases of rape, yes I support abortion 100%. How would you feel if you were told you were the product of a rape?

I think it's a really delicate issue. I know that abortion has never been an option I would consider for myself, but in some cases I can understand it being what seems the best option in the circumstances (such as the situations mentioned, rape or when the mother is very at risk or the baby has little hope of survival afterwards). While I do believe in women having freedom over their bodies, I think it's more helpful to concentrate on better birth control in the first place or the 'morning after' pill.

Yes I agree, though my friend had an abortion at 15. She and her parents talked it over and it was decided that she'd have one. She's happy that she didn't have the baby... her family are very wealthy, so she would've survived, but she was at school and didn't want that kind of responsibility, especially since the father wasn't going to be there. I can understand her reasons.
I think every woman has a right to do what they want with their own body, but the serial abortionists make me angry. To them, a foetus is nothing to them and they go through 5 or 6 abortions... have they never heard of the pill?!

Yeah, well I think that if Bush went through and outlawed it like he said he was going to that it is canceling the free rights of women. It also would have lost my mom her job. I know most of the time it is not right but sometimes nessacariy. Though, her job was to try and talk the couple or teen out of abortion or into having an abortion depending on the situation. She was just the conselour but she could have done more if she felt like it. (She was aloud to do anything) I liked that job because most of the time she got home around five and left around eight. Which is easy on us. Her job here is from 6 to 9 so me and my sister hate it. And it is 7 days a week.

I'm not pro-abortion or anti-abortion. I believe, as a woman, that I should have the right to do whatever I want with my body so I would never try to tell another woman abortion is wrong.

I wish that people would put half the money that they use anti and pro abortion to teach safe sex. Maybe the issue wouldnt be such a huge issue then.

This is kind of random but I read somewhere but I'm not sure if it's true that 77% of anti-abortion leaders are men...Not surprising though - none of them have to worry about ever becoming pregnant and/or being raped (with pregnancy as a result). It's much easier to pick a side on an issue when it doesn't affect you as much. Yes, the man would be the father so obviously would be important - but how many loyal teen fathers are there?? :blink:

Did I say I love my bunny?........ :innocent:

I do not support either side. But I believe a woman should be able to have her own decision without these groups giving her more grief.

I agree with womens rights and I due think that it is usually a man that trys to get rid of abortion. I would say it is more like getting rid of womens rights since that is a part of them But I wonder why that Bill never went through.

I'm sorry but I don't believe in abortion. Then again, I was a product of incest.....and was fortunate enough to be adopted. Yes, I have found my birthmother too.....and she's glad that abortion wasn't an option back then.

EDITED TO ADD: When I found out I was the product of rape/incest (my mom was 13 when she got pregnant), I was thrilled to find out she didn't abort me and cared enough to give me up for adoption.

I'd just like to think of the other side... what would happen if abortion was illegal? Back street surgery where nothing is regulated... women terrified of being prosecuted because they couldn't have/didn't want the baby/embryo (however you want to think of it) they were carrying. The number of women risking their lives with underhand surgery would be shocking.
I always think of the song Sally's Pigeons by Cyndi Lauper when I think of abortion... it's such a sad song...

My heart began to
Skip to the beat
Of the boy next door
She had her eye across the street
On someone shy and tall
We lived our dreams
And challenged fate
In tears she told me she was late
And sally let his pigeons out to fly...

On the dresser sits a frame
With a photograph
Two little girls in ponytails
Some twenty one years back
She left one night with just a nod
Was lost from some back alley job
I close my eyes and sally's pigeons fly
She never saw those birds again
And me, i can't remember when
A pirate smile hasn't made me cry
I close my eyes
And sally's pigeons fly...



I know I'm sentimental when it comes to music, but even thinking of any friend or family member of mine dying because the government does not agree with them having an abortion makes me so sad. :(
But I also think of the poem by Spike Milligan... Unto Us... Such a heart wrenching poem I think... We studied it at school... Spike Milligan was an anti abortion activist in case you didn't know, and also a great comedian!

Unto Us... By Spike Milligan

Somewhere at some time

They committed themselves to me

And so, I was!

Small, but I WAS!

Tiny, in shape

Lusting to live

I hung in my pulsing cave.

Soon they knew of me

My mother --my father.

I had no say in my being

I lived on trust

And love

Tho' I couldn't think

Each part of me was saying

A silent 'Wait for me

I will bring you love!'

I was taken

Blind, naked, defenseless

By the hand of one

Whose good name

Was graven on a brass plate

in Wimpole Street,

and dropped on the sterile floor

of a foot operated plastic waste

bucket.

There was no Queens Counsel

To take my brief.

The cot I might have warmed

Stood in Harrod's shop window.

When my passing was told

My father smiled.

No grief filled my empty space.

My death was celebrated

With tickets to see Danny la Rue

Who was pretending to be a woman

Like my mother was.

All i'm gonna say on the matter is...

No one can sit and say they would or they wouldnt unless they were in that position. Don't get me wrong, everyones entitled to their opinions.

I'm not against and i'm not for it...i'm in between.

Its up to the person and where they are in their life but no one can say "oh I definately wouldnt" or "oh yeah I would" cos you dont know for 100% what you are going to be feeling, what your mind or heart is telling you so no one can say for definate... I dont think any women will actually know until they are faced with that situation.

Thats reason I cant say if I would or wouldnt cos i've never been there, i've never been in that situation to say how I would feel.

I dont think it matters what stage you are in your life. I think its up to that person and i'm never gonna judge someone if they do it cos its completely up to them....maybe they dont ever wanna have kids!

I do think that alot of women are silly when it comes to protecting themselves against it, if you get pregnant then have an abortion....USE PROTECTION next time! Its not rocket science!

I can't even answer that poll - I think the question is a bit more complicated than yes or no.

If a rape victim ends up pregnant and wishes to abort, my answer would be a firm yes.

If a pre-teen was pregnant and had no parental support, I would suggest giving up for adoption - or yes, possibly abort.

If a grown woman wishes to abort a pregnancy one should hope she considered all available options and alternatives; but it is ultimately up to her and not the law.

Btw.....I tell my kids 'Abortion is legal until you're 18' - so watch it!!! :lol:

Well,

all i know is, that if someone raped me idk what kind of emotions i'd have.

But i wouldnt abort. Not when God is against it. He is in control. I have seen it time after time after time.

This is a difficult card to call.

I definatly feel abortion is acceptable in the case of a rape victim. There poor woman do not want a reminder of there traumatic experience, and a baby would worsen the hurt.

However, now aboration is becoming a common form of birth control. People cant be bothered with contraception, therefore they play with fire, wind up pregnant and then choose abortion as a late form of contraception.

There is a reason why the legal age for sex is 16. This is because by the age of 16 you are becoming an adult and should be responsible enough to look after a life.
But at 16 your life is only begining, you still have uni and college, work, lubs and pubs to experience. At 16 i feel people are still children.

In saying that, i take my hat off to teen mothers who cope well. They show great maturity, and take responsibility for the less than ideal situation they are in.

Abortion leaves mental scars. Could you forgive yourself? Yes? Er try No. It is an extremely traumatic experience, and leaves you with a feeling of guilt which you will carry for the rest of your life.

The other consideration for girls/woman who are outside wedlock, is the STD's you may catch/carry. Refusing to use contraception is leaving you wide open to sexually transmitted diseases.

In an ideal world there would be no rape
There would be no STD's
There would be no sex outside of wedlock
Men would not leave girls/woman holding the baby

But this is not an ideal world is it.
These things are real, they happen and they can happen to anyone at any age.


Girls, do not submit yourself to the pain of abortion, dont have sex. And if you do, then be mature and use protection, for if you are mature enought to have sex, you are mature enough to do it safely.

No sex out of wedlock?! :o :innocent: I can't agree with that... We're waiting until we can afford our ideal wedding, have bought the house first as we feel it's more important to have a roof over our heads than to have a bit of paper saying we legally love each other!
But that's a whole different debate! ;)

Yes it is a whole other debate.
Anyway i guess if you experience something that traumatic t changes your veiws compeltly.

Hahahha, Ang - you just like to open one can of worms after the other, eh? :lol:
I could write a novel on the subject of 'holy matrimony' :innocent: :lol:

I agreee with Shazza...
While i do beleive abortion should be leagal i DONT beleive people should be going out and being reckless and just saying "well i can always have an abortion" like its no big deal. It is a big deal but the kids today think nothing of anything untill they are in the situation and have gone through something. I beleive the government should not have a right to tell anyone what to do with their body BUT i do beleive there needs to be some way to stop th insanity in this world.

Although whats so funny is the way that different cultures veiw sex. Here in America we are treated like babies and everything about sex is hush hush and a big deal. You go over to Europe and they are so free about it. Meaning about what they see and how they feel about it.

Perfect example is when i went to Spain 2 years ago. I went topless on the beach and thought NOTHING of it. no one stared at me, i didnt feel uncomfortable about it. It was fine. Id never do that here in NY. Cause here in the states when someone sees a naked breast it becomes a BIG deal and people get childish and weird about it. Why? Cause its something that this country is so curious about yet so uncomfortable about at the same time...

wow im going on a tangent.. sorry..

What im getting at here is that i think (my own personal opinion) people (especially the kids of today) are so curious about sex because parents make it SO taboo and they are not educated at a young age so they grow up wanting to do it so badly to see what the fuss is about and they are SO not ready for it that they make very poor choices and get into these situations where they get pregnant/dieseases and then this becomes an issue.. what to do about it? I dont know...

You definitely have a point! I grew up in Europe as well and nudity, sex, etc. was never a big deal (although my mother may beg to differ :lol: ) - but here, even my own kids go 'EWWW' and 'that's so wrong' when they see the slightest hint or even suggestion of nudity, say in commercials.

YET, the eww's barely cover up the curiosity - so they are at a much higher risk of exploring that curiosity at a much younger age :(

i do agree with that. this 21 year old that i USED to talk to, he wanted tohave sex with me.. and he didnt want to wear a condom.. i asked well what if i get pregant? and hes like you could always get an abortion.. i was thinking like, yeah um no! not when i made the mistake of not using a condom.. if its my mistake i dont think i will get an abortion i just know if i ever get raped im gonna have one if i become pregant..

and then..
i was tought at a young age... well tought that sex is a very good thing.. by my friends in 3rd grade.. i had this one friend who would talk about the "postions" and everything to me.. she would draw it out also... i thought that was very werid! myu parents never talked to me about it.. which is fine by me.. because i already know everything i need to know

My cousin thought was pregnant once. Her father wanted her to get an abortion but her mother and her were so exicted. She could not wait. She found out later she was not pregnant. You are right Fluffy, parents make a huge deal about hushing it up. They talk about the dangers at school but because it is not talked about and something people dont speak about around otehr people it makes it intresting. I did a survey for church about a month ago.

The question- Do you belive or would comitt pre marital sex?
The answers were not suprising
Yes-29 No-18 And I tried to ask a even number of girls and boys. Most people wanted to make sure their answers were annonimous and said they would not answer if they were not.

Parents need to talk to their kids, thats what. In our society, you turn on the tv and theres sexual images, but yet, like you said, noone talks about it. My husband and i have both agreed to be completely open and honest with our kids about sex (when we have them), and definately educate them about birth control and safe sex. I certainly dont want my 14/15 year old daughter coming home and saying 'mom, i'm pregnant', nor do i want my son telling me 'i'm gonna be a daddy' at the ripe young age of 16.

On the abortion topic... I believe in the right to choose. *however* i would not have an abortion myself. I know that stuff happens though, I have 2 cousins that got pregnant while on birth control. One was 15, the other was 32 and married.

The funny thing about talking to your kids is...it's the KIDS that are uncomfortable! I started the subject when they were around 5 or 6 (generally when they start to really notice the differences between boy/girl) and all was fine then. Now, that they are 13 and 14 they try to weasle themselves out of the conversation at the first opportunity.

The only thing we as parents can do, I guess, is to bring it up again and again and to be there for any questions when and if they come up.

It is crazy how hush hush sex is in this country.. Parents should be educating their kids about it. But instead alot of parents are so uncomfortable about it themselves that when a kid comes to them with questions they make up silly things or just ignor them or tell them "youll find out when your older" i feel this is soo wrong.It makes a kid wonder more "hm... what is it all about.. i need to know.. if mom wont tell me ill find out somehow"
Im not a parent but in this day and age i know i would rather tell my kids all about sex and what it is and what it means before they learn about things in school from friends or see things on tv or in movies or on the internet. I beleive if you instill good things in children at a young age they tend to take that with them through life and it makes them a leader as opposed to a follower when they get to school.

This 21 yeah old you talk about Cinnabun is a total product of stupidity instilled in kids these days. Obviously its no big deal to him for you to have an abortion. its not his body and he doesnt know any better. What a fool. good for you to stand up to this clown and tell him "no way"

Why is it that the europeans have topless beaches and nude models on their fasion magazine and no one oohs.. and ahhs over it? cause they are so used to seeing it all the time that its not taboo and its not this big secret thing that they have to be immature about. this country could never handle that.
we see something like that and we gigle and have to look and take pictures of it.. its sooo rediculous...something starts to become special when its taboo....

oh god i should be living in Europe... :rolleyes:

I would love to get out of the country. I am thinking about Italy but maybe I will go to Europe and see different cultures.

Id love to go to Italy....
When i went to Spain i didnt want to come home.

They are so free over there..The whole way of life is so much more free and easy there... Very relaxed.. not in a rush.. and they LIVE to LIVE not LIVE to WORK and only care about the almighty dollar..

LOL No they live for the Euro! :P ;)
Well I didn't realise there was so much of a difference until Dan told me about the Democratic party's polices... I thought "OMG! Our Conservatives are more liberal than them!" :o
We have, in a national daily newspaper, page 3 girls over here... basically topless women every day on page 3... www.thesun.co.uk... Topless women aren't an issue I think! It's the big bellied men that we want to cover up!! :P ;) JK! :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! :lol:
But at least they know how to rest and enjoy themselves...From what i saw anyway...
and the kids there are so well behaved... not like the animals we have here.. well at least in NY...so disrespectful to parents...

Yeah no big bellied men.. they need to just put that stuff away..... LOL

Well, we have respectful kids in Texas. Most of the familys are farmers and have to continue to respect their parents. But I agree it would be so fun to leave the country. Though, I would never walk around without anything on. To ugly for that. But I gtg and give the buns ice.

aw.. bunnylover.. your so hard on yourself... silly girl....dont say that.

Here there are alot of kids that are such brats.. but thats cause the parents are spoiled brats as well and dont know how to teach them right from wrong or didnt want to have them in the first place.. but thats a whole other topic on bad children and why they need to be respectful..

ahhh... living in NY..... :rolleyes:

I wouldn't either, but it's mainly coz I don't want to get burnt there!! :ph43r: LOL
Kids are awful everywhere I think... the 'yob society' as they say, is taking over and there isn't any way to stop it... they just aren't taught respect from anywhere. :(

I know... it totally sucks....

I disagree; the kids in texas farming societys are very respectful. They have to be. If they dont say "yes sir" they get whipped (my friend does). But they also learn responsibility. To show cattle and stuff and farming. You have to do alot. Take care of the animal, keep grades up, keep connections, and for farming taking care of the soil. My friend shows cattle and I see her during the summer about 3 times because she is always busy showing and farming.

Just read this, there are still some good kids out there :P

I know they may be in the minority but they exist. In my experience they tend to be from parents who have good values and have passed them on to their children - who live by example as it were. Unconditional love, mutual respect and strong boundaries are the keystones IMHO. Oh and less tv lol.

And I agree with Bunnylover, having responsibilities from a young age helps too.

I know there are good kids everywhere out there... it's just that there are bad ones everywhere too. And a I agree... the parents are the ones that instill these values on them.
DEFINATELY less TV!! I'm all for that! LOL I don't know why I pay my Sky bill... I never watch it!