After looking thru ...
www.pouet.net
www.ojuice.net
www.scenet.de

there 3 diskmags soon to be released....

Pain Pain website here
Hugi Hugi website here
and a new release by Magic of Nah-Kolor Preview here


Whats peoples opinions on these ? will they contribute or have you all had enuff since GV finished ?

All i can say is god help Magic after seeing the preview :blink:

Was never a fan of Hugi or Pain. Looks OK but it's shite content.

The Nah-Kolor has to be a joke.... surely!!! If that's what it's gonna look like then they deserve to go to the wall. Geocities and ads... oh please.

Will I contribute to any of these? Will I fuck. I put them on me own web site.

I really wouldn't bother my arse submitting anything to PaiN but I still quite like Hugi and Adok (Hugi editor) would gladly take any articles scene or variety based. Swapped mails with him quite a few times during our GV time and he's a decent, friendly guy.

I completely lost the plot after our version of GV folded and even tho it was great getting off our arses and attempting to do something positive, lack of article support and
the amount of whinging, lazy bastards out there really does kill off any glimmers of inspiration you can muster.

Just had a quick peep at Majic and I kinda like the simplicity of it even tho a Geocities based site does suck. I have admiration for anyone who wants to run this kind of publication now a days.

I am still going to add our BEST OF articles and the flash intro anims when I can actually catch Zildj online and swap some stuff.

Yeah a few diskmags released lately. Pain, as always is just a decent mag. Never liked the mag engine itself. Quite a poor design, although content wise it`s the best PC mag around these days. Yet it still doesn`t compare with the good Amiga mags over the years.

As for Hugi, issue 31 is probably their best issue in years. Although thin on content, it was a pleasant read with a good feel to it all.

Yeah Magic/NahKolor`s mag project, well I personally think that was just his way to get more hits to hiis Geocities website :P .. Knowing him for years now, I think thats the case :)

TBH Lee, I thought PAIN was really piss poor this issue. Horrible snd, gfx and low content as I've already mentioned on the POO-et ;) threads.

I have to agree though that HUGI was ace. Low on the content side I grant you, but gfx, snd wise was very polished.

It's just a damn shame that no other competition is out there at mo and any other competition that does arise is treat with contempt *cough. Nuff said. ;)

Even going back into the PC`s history of diskmags, it never really reached the level us Amiga sceners took for granted. I`ve often thought of doing my own mag on PC, but I guess the motivation just comes and goes too often. It isn`t constant enough to sustain a successful diskmag.

Wow! Just reading my last post and I sound quite diplomatic considering I was drunk as a sack. :D

That was the main downfall of our revival and a lot of other new wave disk mag projects that never get off the ground, far too many dips in motivation just kills the interest dead.

I'd love to contribute and help run another mag project, as I enjoy writing articles and blowing off steam in text form but you never know, it may happen one day?

It would be cool to see a new diskmag, although I still prefer .exe based stuff. Speaking of which, what happened to Clyde`s engine? .. and Clyde for that matter..

I still have the early beta's of Clydes 'groove engine' here. Was showing a good bit of promise until he fell on hard times and disappeared.

Apparantly he's still resident on the Blitz forum he used to knock around on.

U lot are just itching to get another diskmag going ain't you lol:)

1: is our reputation tarnished beyond repair? I know Dazzaboy will defend the GV revival tooth and nail and good on him for standing by his convictions in such adversity (the only one round here with any balls lol:))

2: do we really need another scene mag would anyone contribute to it seen as everyone on the net these days just seems to be full of hot air!

3: If we did start another Mag would people back us or just harp on about the past and dig up the GV revival all the time this is what gets my back up so much we made mistakes sure enough one was a real bad one using the GV name.

4: we had a good but flawed product with GV.net could we do the same with something new! (as in making it work this time and getting support from some of the very people we pissed off last time), Every GREAT artist needs to make mistakes before they are GREAT!

5: UKSCENE / POUET etc i think no more needs to be said on that subject!
good or bad i have nothing to say either way.

The term Diskmag is used very loosely :)

@Sarek

I think you right m8 they are itching to get another diskmag on the go lol
well just dont call it Zine , Eurochart or D.I.S.C :P
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I think from the last attempt we made no body likes a "diskmag" to be on a website and theres no coder to do a .exe for you .

Could release a diskmag using the messagebox lol (joke)


Personally, I think you'd be wasting your time. Since GV revival and ukscene arguments over party attendiencies you got zero chance of getting anywhere.

If you Dazzaboy and Darkus are really up for another attempt at doing something in the scene then how about start small and work upto better things..

Start with some kind of Recruitro to gain members. Try DBF forum and see if anyone wants to code a diskmag or intros) Some people wasnt happy with GV dying so they got interest ....

Would using Blitz basic be a problem to make a start ? some of them guys are damn good coders.

Well its 4:47am so if the above sounds wiered its cuz im knackered :D

I'd happily contribute to any new project that kicked off, but tbh honest, knowing what direction to take would be a difficult decision.

We aren't part of the demoscene and personally I want no part in it. I'm happy writing stuff about the general computing scene, oldskool scene and life stuff in general but I think the likes of Darkus etc would prefer scene based stuff (I may be wrong?) I know everyone else prefers the variety side. I still feel quite strongly about f*ck all happening (magwise) in the UK, yet nearly everyone uses some form of PC on a regular basis but no-one seems to have opinions they want to share?

I doubt anyone will be interested in putting time into a coded production which appeals to a limited audience. That's where the webmag idea still appeals - lower maintainence and easier to do in the long run.


That is also why I'm hosting articles and prods on here, so people can have a look at what's already been done and hopefully stimulate into producing new stuff.

That's yet to be seen.


Footnote: Has piracy ruined the art of conversation?

I don't give a fuck what other people think of us after the GV thingy, and as for Pouet and those other pricks, well they can jump off a fucking cliff for all I'm concerned.

I was involved in GV for myself and the close group involved than what the cunts involved in the so called "scene" care.

I've been banging ideas aroung with Dazza on MSN about some future projects, and they certainly don't include an EXE which is a dead concept to me.

I really don't like the idea of a magazine computer orientated, it would have to be alot broader in subject matter than that covering things in the news, international and the UK. Everyone has an opinion on something they read in the papers or see on TV, and that could be a hell of a better subject matter. To me anyway.

With a hardcore group of writers, it could be a great site with great content.

Just my opinion anyway.

Well you know my views, I`m all for scene only content. Obviously I would want to aim it directly at sceners. I think if you want to read something unrelated to the scene, then there are already millions of websites, newspapers etc which you can look up.

It`s a shame you cant be persuaded to go down the .exe path though :)

The .exe idea isn't completely dead in the water but you'll never see a scene only mag from me nor will I ever contribute to one. I've had a quick look at the new editions of Pain and Hugi and although it's nice to see the work put into producing them, I can't bring myself to reading the majority of the articles as they sooo damn boring, Pain especially. It isn't the fault of the authors, more the fact that they relate to the current scene/sceners for which I have no interest whatsoever.

I have long since given up trying to 'help out' in today's scene (since GV) and have no intent on mixing with the remnants of the Uk scene for which we would have to do to get in the know of todays happenings and write a scene mag based around it. It appears that if you try to be different, you get flamed.. so fuck 'em.

Moving onto the fact that any variety content can be found on any newsgroup, gneral news site etc. I still struggle to see the reasoning in this? Yes it's a valid point BUT in my view, it's always good to have a standalone production or website dedicated to a certain groups views and opinions whatever it maybe about, variety based or otherwise. My brain extends far beyond the confinements of the current demoscene so forgive me if I'm missing the point here.

Sorry if this has turned into a mini-rant but I've slept in really heavy and feel a bit grumpy. lol

I'm grumpy miserable cunt all the time so no need to apologise :)

I don't think I explained the kind of project I'd be involved with again, but when my web site is done (IF!) it might give a better idea of what I mean.

A scene only magazine... hmmmm I don't know shit about the scene (such as it is) now, and really not interested as the people who are involved (such as they are) are such elitist pricks, I'd be loathed to write anything about them. What a difference 10 years makes eh!

If it was a standalone magazine, I would rather write my own than use that fucking Panorama engine, which I don't think is that hot, and they all look the same to me. Then again, writing a standalone engine needs time, and there's precious little of that around.

A web site is easier.

- It's a doddle to write :)
- It's immediate, not two months out of date when it's probably already announced in another magazine.
- Stuff can be added and edited from anywhere with net access (handy for work)

And some more reasons which I can think of at the moment as I'm just about to go and meet wifey to find a new fridge fucking freezer.

(to dazzaboy..) (didnt see Zildjians last post :)

Hehe, mini-rants are good :P Until we start swinging for each other :)

Anyway yeah, well I agree with the points of the UK sceners who are around. I just don`t really get on too well with them. Although I`ve known some of them for years I just (as always in my scene life) stayed away from the UK scene. Even the first group I joined was from Holland.

Back to the topic.. Yeah it`s just a divided view, which is the case with the scene in general. There are many who support both views and I guess if you were to release a new mag with a new title, people would probably respect you for coming back. Did you ever see Kubika? A scene online mag by Adonis/IRIS.

http://kubika.dk/index.php

quite recent..

Ooh now then. Swallowing my words from my last statement, I actually think this is a mag I could quite easily sit and read through. Nice open feel to it and doesn't have the usual stuffy scene constraints.

It appeals to and welcomes 'sceners' from any platform and doesn't just cover the PC demoscene, which is a major plus for me.

Simple but effective design and proves that a webmag CAN work, v.nice indeed! Love the comment feature too, a nice interactive touch.

Pass on my regards to Adonis and tell him if he puts a link to our forum on his site I'll gladly say more nice things about his prod. :)

Why stop with links? You could also have an interview talking about this product and make sure more people get to know about it.

Hmmm of course all the members of this forum should contribute with around two articles too, in order to make it a better magazine. :ph43r:

An interview would be an interesting idea and although Darkus has done an interview with me in past when we were running the online mag (which was never printed), I'm sure we can arrange a new interview which we can submit to Kubika and at the same time spam our forum. Great! :)

With regards to our members writing articles, we could easily produce retro Amiga and variety based stuff but I'm afraid any scene related writing would be out of the picture as most members have very little or no interest in today's demoscene.

How does this sound?

@Adonis i could do a review of Xara Extreme a Pc art-package that isn't by Adobe (seen as everything else is) could even throw in a few logo's etc

and as luck should have it i've just recently got a new version of it (hence the Extreme in the title)

Adonis my cottage pie, you made it! :)

There "might" be something big coming in the way of diskmags next year.. :P
.. and no it`s not another project I will start and lose interest in :) Yet the signs are good this project will see the light and hopefully kick the PC mag scene into a spin!

sarek2k: Sounds great; that would for sure be of interest. I would like to have way more reviews of hardware and programs, done by the people which actually use it. I could of course just copy the guide from the publishers, but that the interested people could dig up on their own.

DaZZaBoY: They idea with Kubika is not only to have scene related articles; I would actually like to have a nice mixture, since it will appeal to both sceners and also people who just want to read about the creative aspects in the use of computers.

My only goal with this project it so present something that the sceners can use and also drag outsiders into it. I have no problem at all to do co-operation, which I know several of the old editors have. Cannot really tell why some editors have such a hard time to share the credit/fame or whatever they thing they get out of it. I simply just want a better product for each issue; which is the reason that I hope more and more people will step up and say: ”Hi, I have a great idea for section I would like to run”. That would just make be happy.

Darkus: Just make sure it will last this time; and I have no doubt you will be able to pull something out of the hat which will be of use for the scene.

*StingRay remembers a certain devotion issue #2 :D
Sorry Darkus, couldn't resist that ;)

zildjian

This sounds pretty contradictory, you say you don't know current scene yet you know that all people involved in it are elitist pricks...

Yes indeed, since scene was much more 1337 back then...

Anyway, I think you should write an article about your view of current scene, would be interesting to read, at least for me, elitist prick that I am. =)

Oh forgot, I will also gladly publish it in an Amiga Diskmag (Jurassic Pack that is). :D

Stingray:

Just to clarify on this point a little...

When Zildj says leetist pricks, it mainly stems from piss poor attitudes of some of 'todays' sceners. The real Amiga old skoolers we have no problem with.

An article about our collective thoughts on todays scene would certainly be an interesting one.

Stingray: shut your face :) .. and stop ghosting me on Pouet :P

I don't think they are contradictory. Maybe wasn't explained to great.

Just saying that the people I spoke to on the "Scene" these days are arseholes. If you think it's worse then than it is now, then I'm wondering what planet you've been on for those 10 years!

I was on the scene in the late eighties and early nineties, and I had no problem talking to sceners and they they were helpful, in coding issues, or swapping or graphics.

The impression I get, and I'm speaking personally here, is that they are a bunch of uptight wankers with their head up there arses.

I've written stuff on my thoughts of the scene now, but that's for my web site not for a diskmag or scene production.

Any updates on the new issue of Kubika?