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Russell Pickering - November 18, 2006 04:39 PM (GMT)
"Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour_history.html

"However, when Baxter (Sheri Baxter, flight instructor) and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons."

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/Newsday_com.htm

"Hani Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted airliner that crashed into Pentagon on Sept 11, was reported to Federal Aviation Administration in Feb 2001 after instructors at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine....."

New York Times - link down - http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...DAC0894DA404482

"They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license." [/i]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/...ain508656.shtml

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The following is all from the same article:

He was so unambitious that, as a teenager in Saudi Arabia, he thought of dropping out of high school to become a flight attendant. Short and slight, he was so shy that, as a houseguest of family friends in Florida, he would not confess that he had forgotten a toothbrush. Even as he pursued the flight training he would need for his final act, instructors found him withdrawn, slow to pick up a feel for the cockpit.

Even today, his family cannot fathom his alleged role in the plot. They recognized his photograph as the person who investigators say crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

Barely over 5 feet tall, skinny and boyish, Hanjour displayed a temperament and actions that were out of sync with those of his fellow pilots in several ways. Hanjour first arrived in the United States years before the others, and was one of just two suspected hijackers who held a student visa. He was the only alleged pilot who does not appear to have been part of an al Qaeda cell in Europe.

Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks.

Federal Aviation Administration records show he obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots.

Wes Fults, the former manager of the flight simulator at Sawyer School of Aviation in Phoenix, gave Hanjour a one-hour orientation lesson when he arrived as a new member of the school's "sim club" in 1998. "Mr. Hanjour was, if not dour, to some degree furtive. He never looked happy," Fults recalled. "He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do."

During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K. M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources." Hanjour left, then returned in December 1997 -- a year later -- and stayed only a few weeks.

Sawyer's simulator is in a closet-sized room that students and pilots alike use to practice the basics of instrument flight. Fults remembers Hanjour as "a neophyte. . . . The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog."

That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation -- this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...4¬Found=true
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After these professional opinions, this is the crap the 9/11 Commission tried to lay on us:

"Among the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour was the sole individual who FAA records show completed flight training and received FAA pilot certification. Hanjour received his commercial multi-engine pilot certificate from the FAA in March 1999. He received extensive flight training in the United States including flight simulator training, and was perhaps the most experienced and highly trained pilot among the 9/11 hijackers."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statem...statement_4.pdf

If he was the "most experienced" then how did the planes in NY hit the towers perfectly?

The complexity of the final maneuver and its perfect execution is now documented in detail by the Flight Data Recorder. It was WAY to precise for an amateur.

Forester - November 18, 2006 05:11 PM (GMT)
all he had to know how to do was land a plane. unfortunately he landed it into a building.

scratch that....his landing skills were not proven. he simply brought it in low.

Russell Pickering - November 18, 2006 05:51 PM (GMT)
Forester,

That is all he had to do?

Who took over the cockpit at the Ohio/Kentucky border?

Who turned the plane around?

Who alternately visually navigated and used nav equipment in a plane they had never been in before flying over an area they had not piloted over before?

Who turned the autopilot on and off several times?

Who located the Pentagon in the first place?

Who shut off the autopilot and finally took manual control?

Who performed a perfect 330 degree spiral descent? (The precision of this maneuver is now confirmed by the FDR - experienced pilots would have a difficult time with it.)

Who avoided a 125' radio antenna at the VDOT?

Who skimmed the VDOT camera mast with the right wing tip, clipped a tree with the right engine, hit 5 lamp poles, a fence, a generator trailer, two construction trailers and another tree while maintaining control that was described as having the determination of a "cruise missile"?

Who kept the plane just a couple of feet off the lawn?

Who didn't circle around and hit the front offices where Rumsfeld was?

Who did not dive into the roof which would have been catastrophic?

Who decided not to do a straight descent into the obvious Capitol or White House that were unprotected?

Who knew that Reagan airspace would be empty?

Who chose the only reinforced wall of the Pentagon that was just being finished that week and would have been obvious while casing the situation during the three years of construction?

Who hit the least occupied section of the Pentagon?

Who knew that their would be no military intercept so that they took the smooth descent option and the time it took as opposed to diving straight in?

Who's body has never been positively identified even though the FBI has the remains?

Please do some research and get back to me - OK?

Thanks,
Russell

dubitandumest - November 18, 2006 05:59 PM (GMT)
Convincing work, Russell Pickering. Thanks!

Russell Pickering - November 18, 2006 06:05 PM (GMT)
You're welcome. That is 26k out of 1.5 gigs of data!

LOL!

"Skeptics" crack me up.

Forester - November 18, 2006 06:42 PM (GMT)
silly boy. all i meant was he had to know how to bring a plane down for a landing inorder to hit the pentagon. but i could be wrong

how did he find the pentagon? maybe he knew the coordinates and put the plane into autopilot. and if his maneuvers were soo skilled...why did he have to fly in circles around the area to get to a lower altitude? why not a straight shot?

i am not a pilot. i dont know a damn thing about flying a plane. common sense does not apply when it comes to highly technical skills such as piloting a plane. i leave it to the experts...where it belongs.

i wish conspiracy theorists could also be so humble about their claims regarding piloting, structural engineering, explosives, etc.

we have become a nation of know it alls. we all think we become an instant expert on something because we can use google. this is why the chinese and the indians are tearing us apart.


Russell Pickering - November 18, 2006 07:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Forester @ Nov 18 2006, 06:42 PM)
silly boy. all i meant was he had to know how to bring a plane down for a landing inorder to hit the pentagon. but i could be wrong

how did he find the pentagon? maybe he knew the coordinates and put the plane into autopilot. and if his maneuvers were soo skilled...why did he have to fly in circles around the area to get to a lower altitude? why not a straight shot?


Forester,

Straight in would have been the actual amateur move.

The gradual decending turn was the professional choice.


Jarroyo - November 18, 2006 07:19 PM (GMT)
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silly boy. all i meant was he had to know how to bring a plane down for a landing inorder to hit the pentagon. but i could be wrong

how did he find the pentagon? maybe he knew the coordinates and put the plane into autopilot. and if his maneuvers were soo skilled...why did he have to fly in circles around the area to get to a lower altitude? why not a straight shot?

i am not a pilot. i dont know a damn thing about flying a plane. common sense does not apply when it comes to highly technical skills such as piloting a plane. i leave it to the experts...where it belongs.

i wish conspiracy theorists could also be so humble about their claims regarding piloting, structural engineering, explosives, etc.


Nobody is trying to be an expert in aviation. But there are some things that should be common sense even to the below average man.

You say ALL he had to do was try to land the plane. You make it seem like an easy task. Flying a plane is not like riding a bicycle, it's not something everyone can do. There are many factors and equipments to look out for, Hanjour being "overwhelmed with the instruments" and "had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do", how could he pull such and amazing maneuver. If it is prooved that Hanjour did that, then maybe I'll give aviation a try.

Maybe you should start being humble, and accepts the facts.

MRC_Hans - November 22, 2006 02:40 PM (GMT)
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Forester,

That is all he had to do?


Nah, there was a tad more.

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Who took over the cockpit at the Ohio/Kentucky border?


Hani and friends. Who do you think did it?


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Who turned the plane around?


Hani.

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Who alternately visually navigated and used nav equipment in a plane they had never been in before flying over an area they had not piloted over before?


Hani and the GPS.

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Who turned the autopilot on and off several times?


Hani-

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Who located the Pentagon in the first place?


They probably had the coordinates with them and loaded them into the GPS:


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Who shut off the autopilot and finally took manual control?


That's what you have to do if you intend to crash the plane.

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Who performed a perfect 330 degree spiral descent? (The precision of this maneuver is now confirmed by the FDR - experienced pilots would have a difficult time with it.)


Come on! We've all seen the replay of that maneuvre, He was wiggling it like a kid on a bike. Certainly not a professional maneuvre.

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Who avoided a 125' radio antenna at the VDOT?

Who skimmed the VDOT camera mast with the right wing tip, clipped a tree with the right engine, hit 5 lamp poles, a fence, a generator trailer, two construction trailers and another tree while maintaining control that was described as having the determination of a "cruise missile"?


Ehr, I suppose he just aimed atthe big fat building ahead of him, and hit or avoided anything in his path as luck would have it.

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Who kept the plane just a couple of feet off the lawn?


The ground effect, I suspect. It was more like 10 ft, btw.

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Who didn't circle around and hit the front offices where Rumsfeld was?


Someone who could just barely get his bead on the whole building.

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Who did not dive into the roof which would have been catastrophic?


Someone who knew enough about flying to know that diving an airliner from 7,000 ft would tear off the wings.

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Who decided not to do a straight descent into the obvious Capitol or White House that were unprotected?


Someone who had been entrusted with a mission to hit the Pentagon.

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Who knew that Reagan airspace would be empty?


How do you know that he knew?

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Who chose the only reinforced wall of the Pentagon that was just being finished that week and would have been obvious while casing the situation during the three years of construction?

Who hit the least occupied section of the Pentagon?


You have a pilot who can just barely fly the plane. Would you tell him to hit some particular part of the building, or would you just tell him to hit the building?

Tell me, do you know anything at all about military operations?

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Who knew that their would be no military intercept so that they took the smooth descent option and the time it took as opposed to diving straight in?


There was no other option. You can't dive an airliner from 7,000ft and have any control over what you hit. Anyhow, it didn't matter much. Forcing the US airforce to shoot down a civilian plane carrying passengers over a densely populated city would be an excellent secondary target.

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Who's body has never been positively identified even though the FBI has the remains?


Somebody who forgot to submit a DNA sample before he kamikazed, perhaps? If you believe in a government conspiracy, tell me what would keep them from faking a positive ID?

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Please do some research and get back to me - OK?


Please submit some questions that need actual research.

Thanks,
Hans

chippy - November 22, 2006 07:45 PM (GMT)
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Flying a plane is not like riding a bicycle, it's not something everyone can do. There are many factors and equipments to look out for...


ok...like what?

Reggie_perrin - November 23, 2006 01:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chippy @ Nov 22 2006, 07:45 PM)
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Flying a plane is not like riding a bicycle, it's not something everyone can do. There are many factors and equipments to look out for...


ok...like what?

like this

user posted image

NCGAPilot - November 23, 2006 09:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Nov 23 2006, 01:32 PM)
QUOTE (chippy @ Nov 22 2006, 07:45 PM)
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Flying a plane is not like riding a bicycle, it's not something everyone can do. There are many factors and equipments to look out for...


ok...like what?

like this

user posted image

But for his mission, he wouldn't need all of them. Hani wasn't an expert pilot, he was sub-par, but even Baxter (the guy in the LC video) said that you don't have to be freakin' Chuck Yeager to crash an airplane.

Avenger - November 23, 2006 11:30 PM (GMT)
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But for his mission, he wouldn't need all of them. Hani wasn't an expert pilot, he was sub-par, but even Baxter (the guy in the LC video) said that you don't have to be freakin' Chuck Yeager to crash an airplane.

We know you don't have to be Chuck Yeager to crash a plane. It's the way it was supposedly crashed that we have a problem with. The way he supposedly decided to go barreling down a street at tree-top level at 3 or 4 hundred miles an hour without worrying about hitting any of the buildings, like the Sheraton or the Navy Annex. If you can barely fly a Cessna, why would you fly down a street so fast past all those buildings?




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