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Ben Stone - May 14, 2007 06:17 AM (GMT)
A couple of things...

On the AM of 9/11... there were two large concussions in Dayton Ohio. They could have been sonic booms. Wright Patterson AFB is here.
At any event, they rattled the garage doors of this building, and unexplained prairie fires erupted at the VA hospital grounds west of downtown, some two miles distant.

Also, wasn't there a clear period of time, while Bush was aimlessly winging his way wither and wherever on AF1, when Cheney officially announced his 'control' over the country?

These events bear looking into.

chucksheen - May 14, 2007 06:24 AM (GMT)
I agree. Thanks for sharing.

TruthIsOutThere - May 24, 2007 12:44 PM (GMT)
I was in Dayton, Ohio on 9/11.

Yes - there was a concussive boom. I remember just hearing one, not two. I was in a big box store south of town (on the opposite side of town from Wright Patterson AFB) and the concussion sounded like a huge metal trash dumpster had fallen on the roof of the building. It rattled the store windows and really shook everybody up.

I'd say it was sometime in the mid to late afternoon. NOT in the morning. We were all too glued to the TV sets that morning to venture out until later in the day when necessary errands (a trip to the grocery store to stock up on supplies, putting gas in the car, getting cash from ATM) finally had to happen if the national weirdness was indeed going to continue.

Anyway, after the "boom", I quickly called my boyfriend at home. We live in an old house near downtown Dayton. He said the boom was also heard downtown. Again it rattled windows and he claimed the whole house shook from it. He said there was nothing on the TV news about it and it may have been a sonic boom.

By the time I got home 20 minutes later, there were local news reports that a smaller plane (like a commuter jet or private aircraft) had been heading to downtown Dayton to crash into something like the Kettering Tower (just like all the planes we were imagining that were heading for the Sears Tower in Chicago, etc.) but had instead missed and crashed into or on the grounds of the Veterans Administration hospital. There was supposedly a huge fire. By the time the news reporters got their cameras out there, nothing was going on. No flames, no plane crash, nothing. But apparently there had been calls to the station by eyewitnesses who saw a plane flying low and descending and exploding. Multiple calls. Which is really weird since nothing happened. All I can say to that is: "queen of hearts" - the boom must have been a "trigger" for some "programmed" folks to imagine something really specific happening and then calling the authorities to report it. Mind you, this was after all air traffic had been stopped in U.S. airspace. Nothing was flying but military aircraft. I'll have to look into that day's local newspaper to see what actually ended up getting printed about the eyewitness reports.

I talked to someone last week about this as it happens. My boyfriend works on the AFB and we took a visiting guest on base for a little tour. Talk inevitably turned to that day. He was also living in Dayton on 9/11 and had gotten panicked calls from friends in Florida and Missouri shortly after the concussive boom occurred. They had heard on their local news that a plane had crashed in downtown Dayton or that Dayton had been bombed and was under some sort of attack. They called him right away to check on him and make sure he was okay. And of course he was mystified because nothing was really going on. I had no idea the reports had gone out that far and wide (and quickly!) about the "siege of Dayton". Amazing.

To put the question about the sonic boom to rest. Yes, that is what it was. A friend who grew up in Dayton was outside mowing his grass on 9/11 when the boom occurred. He didn't even blink. He told us that it used to be a normal occurrence when fighter jets took off from the base. It had only been in recent years that you never heard it anymore. He figured the jets were in some major hurry to take off and break the sound barrier so quickly right over Dayton like that.

The official story was that Air Force One was still in the air and needed some tactical support in a hurry as it flew overhead. Sounds likely to me because as far as I knew that plane was all over the U.S. map that day.

One final word about Dayton and aircraft. It was very eerie around here in the days just after 9/11 when commercial air traffic was not happening. There were a lot of fighter jets taking off and landing. Each time they did, I'd clench up thinking, "Oh no, what's happened now?" Occasionally our house is in the AFB landing path so we see a lot of the bigger military cargo planes coming in for a landing. A few days after 9/11 a white plane about the size of like a 767 with no markings and no numbers on it flew right over our house and very low on its approach to the AFB. It really unnerved me. I mean, I've seen a lot of odd things over the years but I hadn't actually seen something like that in the air and right over my head as I walked my dog on a sunny afternoon.

I'll post any news reports I can find on the eyewitness accounts of the "siege of Dayton". Was anyone else in town that day? If so, what do you remember?? I'm curious.

Cheers, Ben, for bringing this up :)

TruthIsOutThere - May 24, 2007 12:55 PM (GMT)
From the Dayton Daily News:

"Seen & Overheard", 9/13/2001
After an erroneous local TV report Tuesday evening that an airplane had crashed into the Dayton VA Medical Center, Lawrence Tucker, assistant to the director, received calls from several center employees who said they didn't want to come to work because of what they saw on TV. Later, a miffed Tucker said: `Police checked the whole grounds. It's not like you can hide a plane crash.'

"Speak Up", 9/14/2001
* I think that, at the very least, WHIO-Channel 7 owes the Miami Valley an apology for incorrectly reporting, without confirming the information, that a plane had crashed at the VA Center. The report caused pandemonium and panic.
AND
* At about 6 o'clock Tuesday, just after everyone heard two loud noises, WHIO-TV reported that there was a possible plane crash at the Veterans Administration Center. It even went so far as to show smoke from a fire. How bad can news reporting get? In the end, we found out that there was a fire somewhere around the VA. Channel 7 owes an apology.

JackD - May 25, 2007 01:41 AM (GMT)
Flight 77 disappeared from radar at 8:56 (approx) -- heading into Falmouth KY sector of ATC control.

Wright-Patterson AFB was named as possible "set down" location for AA77, early on when folks were searching for where planes went.

The "turnaround" of AA77 and return towards DC is based entirely on speculation (until someone produces a serial-# matched part, or rather, dozens, from the Pentagon site -- at this point, it would be suspect)

A Dayton area landing of AA77 would seem highly unlikely. Any other private or commercial airfields capable of landing a 757 in the area? --

The explosion likely had to do with some other event -- sonic boom, etc -- but a wise old hand said once "ask them if they were holding a drill at Wright-Patterson on 9/11..."


TruthIsOutThere - May 25, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
No drills at Wright Patt AFB on 9/11.

My boyfriend was working on base that day. When there are drills, the base gets "locked down" (people can't even leave their buildings or enter the base) and there is a lot of activity.

Sept. 11, 2001 was a day like any other on the base until the second plane hit the towers. That's when his building received a call from the base commander to get off base now. So everyone in his building did. They were one of the first buildings to evacuate the base on 9/11.

darion - May 28, 2007 08:38 PM (GMT)
So they did evacuate. Who was left after the evacuation?

Swing Dangler - June 2, 2007 04:40 PM (GMT)
I live about 45 minutes west of Dayton off of highway 70. Around 4-4:30 we were outside and heard a large sonic boom overhead. Everyone thought it was an explosion of some sort after the events of the day. After coming to our senses, we looked up and saw a formation of F-16 fighters escorting Air Force One flying over head heading east towards Dayton.

I don't know if that has anything to do with what happened in Dayton, but that was the source of our sonic boom. I hope this helps!

TruthIsOutThere - June 3, 2007 10:44 PM (GMT)
"So they did evacuate. Who was left after the evacuation?"

I should have been more specific.

All non-essential base personnel were ordered off base immediately. This basically meant "all civilians". All that was left on base was active military.

The base went from threat status Alpha to Delta after the second plane hit the WTC. Alpha means everything is hunky dory. Delta means that the base is under imminent threat of attack. There are other threat levels in between but it went from lowest to highest status in no time flat.

I don't know how long it took to evacuate the base of civilians. Some buildings on base are quite large. It may have taken anywhere from half hour to an hour if everyone was really motivated to get out (which on that day they were!).

Can someone do the math and see if it is possible that AA77 could have landed at WPAFB between the second plane hitting the WTC and the "crash" at the Pentagon (while factoring in the time it would have taken to clear the base of civilians)? I don't have everything in front of me, but it is an intriguing idea that the base may not have been cleared of civilians for their safety but to more discreetly land a civilian plane. Hmmmmmm.

JackD - June 5, 2007 01:37 AM (GMT)
WP--AFB accessible to AA77? is there any indication / evidence it was landed there?

(quick answer: nope. however, it remains theoretically possible.)

just for sake of humor:

review of facts:
last radio/transponder squawk of AA77 -- 8:50am
last 'radar trace?' AA77 -- 8:57 am

see
http://www.avweb.com/other/911flightexplorer.html


we can only estimate airspeed after the plane went off radar.

at airspeed of 400mph-- 500mph, counting time to slow to landing speed of 200 to 150mph, etc, it would seem to take til maybe about 9:15 to land AA77 at WPAFB -- thus after the WTC2 impact time. certainly not before 9:03am.

They prolly got it parked at Hangar 18, right?



TruthIsOutThere - June 5, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
"They prolly got it parked at Hangar 18, right?"

Nice!

Here's a few more things I found on the Dayton "explosions", WPAFB, and air traffic from the Dayton Daily News:

(excerpted from a page 1A story on 9/12/01):
"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert, sending home all but essential personnel, and Dayton International Airport was part of a nationwide airport shutdown. Schools, businesses and shopping malls closed early, and sporting events and community activities were canceled throughout the region. The FBI issued a news release Tuesday afternoon saying it "has no credible information that any location" within the 48-county Cincinnati FBI Division, including the Dayton area, has been targeted for terrorist attack."
and
"There was a scare late Tuesday afternoon when two thunderous booms rocked the Dayton area and televised news reports erroneously suggested that the Dayton VA Center may have been hit by a terrorist attack. Air Force fighter jets were spotted in the skies around that time, and Wright-Patterson officials said they were investigating whether military aircraft caused sonic booms."
and
"Traffic at the airport was particularly heavy in the hours after the attacks in Manhattan. Eighteen planes, en route to other destinations, landed in Dayton in response to a Federal Aviation Administration order ceasing all U.S. air traffic. The FAA said air traffic would be restored no sooner than noon today."

Does anyone else wonder about what one of those 18 planes might have been????

(excerpted from a story on page 1C on 9/12/01 that covered the national and local news reporting angles):
"Locally, the reporters were limited to reporting on the high security at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and the Fairborn school closings, which started a whole ball of cancellations, including the early end of business at National City Mortgage."
and
"WDTN (Channel 2)'s Howard Nathan staked out the Dayton International Airport and lucked onto a TWA pilot whose flight to St. Louis had been diverted to Dayton. The pilot told Nathan that just after takeoff from New York, he saw the American Airlines plane and was forced to take evasive action to avoid it. Other local reporters were forced to describe empty downtown streets, the result of increased security around Dayton's Federal Building."

another article from Sept. 12, 2001 - this one just about the base:

WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT

"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert and activated two national command posts Tuesday after terrorists carried out an air attack using hijacked airliners in New York, Washington and Pittsburgh.

The base beefed up gate security Tuesday after two hijacked airliners slammed into the World Trade Center's twin towers in New York City at 8:45 and 9:03 a.m. But the base went into higher gear when the Pentagon became the next target. A hijacked airliner plowed into one section of the five-sided building in Washington, D.C., at 9:43 a.m.

Minutes later, an E-4B National Airborne Operations Center - a white 747 Jumbo Jet often confused with Air Force One - took off from Wright-Pat for an undisclosed destination. It returned later in the day. Wright-Pat is one of a few designated bases for the flying command center.

Meanwhile, top generals on the base huddled and managers sent home nonessential personnel.

Col. Michael Hazen, 88th airbase wing commander, said Tuesday evening the base was operating on "the highest force protection standards" and "will continue as long as the Air Force directs us to stay at heightened alert."

Security police searched cars, causing traffic backups at base gates. Hazen urged the public to stay away from the base to reduce congestion.

F-16 fighter jets came and went during the day. Some belonged to the Ohio Air National Guard's 178th Fighter Group, temporarily based at Wright-Pat because of construction work at the Springfield airport.

Sounds widely reported as sonic booms rocked the Dayton area late in the afternoon, but base officials said they had no information on their origin.

"We are investigating those sounds. I cannot confirm they were sonic booms," said Lt. Col. Ed Worley, director of public affairs at Wright-Pat.

Hazen said only that fighters from Wright-Pat "flew missions, but not to a local emergency." The F-16 can dash at supersonic speeds, but supersonic flight is ordinarily prohibited over the United States.

Dressed in a combat uniform, Hazen kept his remarks brief and returned to the base's battle staff center, where top base leaders were meeting throughout the day.

Earlier Tuesday, a spokeswoman confirmed the command's headquarters at Wright-Pat also had activated its command center, a high-security war room used to manage worldwide support of Air Force combat units during war or times of high tension. "We are preparing to coordinate any assistance . . . that is requested" by military commanders, AFMC spokeswoman Lt. Col. Adrienne Campbell said.

Located inside the AFMC headquarters building at Wright-Pat, the command center operated around the clock throughout the Persian Gulf War to monitor the readiness of combat planes and manage the massive airlift that built up war supplies in the region.

The E-4B National Airborne Operations Center is a flying military command post that is often mistaken for Air Force One when it flies over the Miami Valley. Known as the "Doomsday Plane" during the Cold War, it serves the president and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Under a special agreement, it also supports Federal Emergency Management Agency operations during major disasters.

The E-4B is a highly modified Boeing 747. Equipped with a conference room, briefing room, work rooms and living quarters, it can support crews of up to 114 people. It carries stockpiles of food and can be refueled in flight.

Base representatives had no immediate word on whether anyone from Wright-Pat was a victim of the Pentagon attack."

Anyway, there you have it.

JackD - June 5, 2007 11:31 PM (GMT)
That answers the 747 question, apparently. it was likely the E4B 747-400 plane, identified in the pinned white plane analysis that Pinnacle is working on.


as for "cause of explosions" -- I am suspicious. if they WERE sonic booms, i think WP AFB spokesperson would cop to it as "likely caused by air interceptor craft" ---unless they wanted to hide information about where/when/etc USAF interceptors were located -0--

it sounds like a crappy cover story for a different cause of explosions.

explosions are the sounds of things blowing up. can be caused by sonic booms, but those have a signature sound, and are accompanied by visuals of lowflying supersonic craft.

what the hell would have blown up that day? missile? ordance? something wierd at WP?




Scarecrow - June 6, 2007 05:14 PM (GMT)
MINETA: On the other hand, we had seven or eight uniden -- or unaccounted-for airplanes, and then I heard about an airplane going down on the Ohio-Kentucky border.

So I said to Monte, I said, "Have we heard anything further about what you just mentioned a little while ago, about that plane down in, along the border of Ohio and Kentucky?" And he said no, we haven't heard anything.

I said, "Well, have you called the Ohio State Patrol or the Kentucky State Patrol to find out if they've heard anything?"

Cause if someone sees an airplane crash, they're immediately going to call the law enforcement agency. I said find out from them if they've heard anything.

But that turned out to be negative.


Is dayton near the KY border?

TruthIsOutThere - June 7, 2007 12:48 AM (GMT)
Dayton is about 50 miles north of the Kentucky border, just up I-75 from Cincinnati which is on the border.

JackD - June 7, 2007 01:46 AM (GMT)
when AA77 went "NORDO" and transponder off in the same timeframe, the natural guess is that might have crashed.

think about it-- a plane disappears from 2'dary radar, primary radar, and you cant talk to it.

what are the explanations?


i think that rumor started from ATC in Indy or maybe Virginia. -- however, it was never confirmed on the ground.

therefore, there is no evidence to support an actual crash. that stuff is hard to hide -- even in appalachia.

HOWEVER -- a "northwoods" style operation cannot be totally ruled out.

before you go any farther on trying to investigate what planes may have landed at WP (if any did) -- or where AA77 did --

you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?

dylan avery - June 7, 2007 06:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JackD @ Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM)
you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?

Very good. I figured most people forgot about the jughandle. Did we ever get an explanation as to why that was initially reported?

Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?

JTGOB - June 7, 2007 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dylan avery @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE (JackD @ Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM)
you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?

Very good. I figured most people forgot about the jughandle. Did we ever get an explanation as to why that was initially reported?

Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?

I googled his quotes, and the search produced zero results.

Considering the fact that these are new members, their only posts are in this thread, and I cannot find their quotes, I'm gunna have to call BS on these guys.

JackD - June 7, 2007 08:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Folks,

I don't think that a Boeing airliner hit the Pentagon. If not, what did, and where did that swap take place? 

My first answer would be the flying vehicles were swapped when AA77 was lost to radar for "X" number of miles west of the IAD area. I think that someone on this site stated that they saw, maybe on radar, a high speed target passing the IAD area headed toward DC. Was this craft ever positively identified and confirmed to be AA77? Another "craft's" PRIMARY target going at high speeds would look the same.

The standards when air traffic controllers use when "positively identifying" a primary target that they are following are to either...match a primary target over a navaid or intersection when the pilot reports being over that point, or...by asking the pilot to execute two turns of 30 degrees or more and then watching to see if the primary target follows those instructions. If either of those events occur, then it can be considered that the primary target is the aircraft in question and the controller is allowed to claim "your are in radar contact". Failing either of those, there is no positive radar contact. 

Did anyone do this to AA77 when it "reappeared"?

Does anyone anywhere have any facts or evidence that the high speed eastbound target west of IAD that "popped back up on radar" was in fact AA77?

Further questions, it really disturbs me as being far, far too coincidental that the captain of AA77 had been in the military working at the pentagon on hijacking defense , or some similar protocols a few years earlier.

So, I'm asking if anyone knew of this fellow's military flying background because if he had any experience in running low altitude bombing "OB" runs, this would be very interesting.

The old "OB" low altitude bombing runs were practice excersises over terrain within the USofA that if flown over in "exacting ways", would be a fair representation of SOVIET terrain that would have to be flown over should there have been a bombing attack executed into the USSR. The designator OB...ie: Oil Burner, was later changed to "Olive Branch"...sound manipulative...or familiar?

Here is the tie-in, and some of it came from a woman's testimony near that "Special Mountain" west of DC where "an airplane was swallowed up by the mountain". Not that I'm ready to believe the "swallowed up part"...BUT...most likely there was an airplane similar to what she described. For example, if there were an airport on the other side of a long ridge in which you were standing and the runway was on the valley floor on the other side of that ridge, could it not look like a mountain "swallowed up" the aircraft slowly descending from a sight line above the ridge and/or mountain to an altitude below the sightline of the ridge or mountain? So, here is another dot. 

Without any doubt, the Appalacian mountains in that part of our country have long valleys with fairly high ridges along each side and I KNOW that there is no radar coverage down in the valleys. 

So, if there were to be an airbourne vehicle swap, it could have taken place when AA77 was "lost" from radar coverage...perhaps at low altitude in one of these valleys. Then, the "new" craft could take over in that, or really any other area nearby, still under the radar coverage, and then BECOME the primary target ASSUMED TO BE AA77, that "pops-up" west of IAD/DC heading eastbound and on into the pentagon.

So...what happened to AA77? Here is where the captain's past experience may have allowed him to perform some very low altitude "winging" of AA77 returning back west, or elsewhere keeping very low to the ground along valleys and such.

Perhaps the big Boeing landed at an AFB, or even at a civilian facility using different call signs or whatever. AA77 did not have the numbers AA77 painted on the side...and who was keeping accurate track of which aircraft landed where that day. AAL would think AA77 is down and not look for it. If the airplane went to a civilian airport to land, who there would double check that the AAL jet was actually AA77...and if it was part of the plan to land at a military base in the emergency, well, that's just part of the plan. The passengers could be told anything.

What I'm postulating all may sound crazy, but if AA77 did not hit the pentagon, where did it go?

Please remember, the people, [read: military personnel], involved in this event would only be top notch, and very, very, very dedicated to the mission. Even one's families wouldn't count.

And yeah, what would have happened to the passengers on AA77 is indeed very troubling. But somewhere I saw a clip showing that a military craft might be bringing "corpses" back to the DC area a few days after 9/11. Nice flight for a nap..a long, long nap?

Sadly, if one accepts that 9/11 was an inside job, then one must accept that these guys are cold blooded killers. Consequently, how are the lives of a handful of "airline passengers" going to be of any concern when one considers the scope of the events before, during and after 9/11/01? 

They would just become "collateral damage" that had to be dealt with...but in a different way!

So, if anyone has info on AA77's captain and his military flying background, and if anyone has a "fair" representation of the flight path and last point of radar contact of AA77"...[ Again, I don't trust anything "with the US Government as originator"...but I'l start there]...and further, where the primary target "PRESUMED" to be AA77 popped back up in its easterly heading, I'd love to get it. 

I will be superimposing the tracks over terrain maps to see how close the flight paths are to mountains, ridges and valleys in which some of what I postulate might have taken place. Never know about this stuff...


Love, Peace and Progress...

Robin Hordon

BTW: 

Can anyone PROVE that the FDR which was supposed to be from AA77 is absolutely and positively FROM AA77? And a follow-up question...Does anyone know if its IMPOSSIBLE to RECREATE each and every bit of electronically recorded data on such FDR's? 

Seems to me that current humanity and computer technology can "simulate" almost everything "aviation" nowadays. Why not internal FDR data and info too?

So, be wary my pilot friends, the info that y'all are running with right now for your simulations may be exactly what they want out there. But certainly don't stop...yet please be hesitant before you try and "prove" anything based upon this federally released "data". RDH

Shoestring - June 7, 2007 08:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dylan avery @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM)
Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?

I managed to find these two Dayton Daily News articles mentioning sonic booms using the Google News Archive search. Here are the links, that will hopefully work for you:

COMMUNITY, NATION OIRN DAY OF TERROR
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...27BB&p_docnum=1

WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...A1E9&p_docnum=1

JackD - June 7, 2007 11:37 PM (GMT)
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...27BB&p_docnum=1

shoestring -- those are dead links. can you cut and paste the information you found into this thread -- documenting the "sonic" booms?

the noise may have been a sonic boom -- but it ain't a sonic boom until you have someone witnessing a high-speed jet flyover -- otherwise, it is LOUD BOOM cause unexplained.

be on the look out for clumsy cover stories -- esp about commercial aircraft landing either at Dayton Airport OR at Wright Patterson.
That's the money shot.


Shoestring - June 8, 2007 08:21 AM (GMT)
Oops! Actually, you can also access the first article here:
http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/DDNB/l...B2D2AC27BB.html
Then click on "Read full article."

And for the second article:
http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/DDNB/l...B2066D13A1.html
Again click on "Read full article."

I'll post the full articles in a following posting, in case you still cannot access them.

Shoestring - June 8, 2007 08:26 AM (GMT)
Here's the first of those articles in full:

COMMUNITY, NATION OIRN DAY OF TERROR
Miami Valley residents offer prayers, assistance, blood

By Tom Beyerlein
Dayton Daily News
September 12, 2001

DAYTON - As security tightened around public places throughout the Miami Valley, local residents offered their prayers, their assistance and even their blood to the victims of Tuesday's nightmarish terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert, sending home all but essential personnel, and Dayton International Airport was part of a nationwide airport shutdown. Schools, businesses and shopping malls closed early, and sporting events and community activities were canceled throughout the region. The FBI issued a news release Tuesday afternoon saying it "has no credible information that any location" within the 48-county Cincinnati FBI Division, including the Dayton area, has been targeted for terrorist attack.

Still, Dayton police barricaded downtown streets surrounding the Federal Building, City Hall, the courthouses, the county administration building and sheriff's and police headquarters. Dayton Municipal Courts closed down, trials were postponed in county Common Pleas Court and Dayton police took the unusual step of locking the doors to the Safety Building on a weekday.

The Dayton Fire Department, which sent seven workers to New York City to help with rescue efforts, also increased staffing and security.

One by one, local, state and federal offices closed, but federal investigative agencies, including the FBI, remained fully staffed. At 1:55 p.m., the doors to the Federal Building were locked and its flag lowered to half-mast.

"Clearly this is a hostile act against the United States that causes us to rethink the way in which we protect cities in this country," said Dayton Mayor Mike Turner. "Terrorists have as their goal terror. They attacked innocent citizens, and this is clearly a despicable act. I would ask that our community pray both for the victims and our city but also for the safety and the continued strength of our country."

Turner noted that city officials had recently begun the process of domestic terrorist training, and on Aug. 17, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft attended training exercises at the University of Dayton Arena.

There was a scare late Tuesday afternoon when two thunderous booms rocked the Dayton area and televised news reports erroneously suggested that the Dayton VA Center may have been hit by a terrorist attack. Air Force fighter jets were spotted in the skies around that time, and Wright-Patterson officials said they were investigating whether military aircraft caused sonic booms.

The Dayton International Airport was eerily quiet Tuesday afternoon, with some stranded passengers sitting in front of TV sets watching the events in New York City and Washington, D.C., unfold. Others milled about, waiting to see where they would be spending the night. Airlines were helping place passengers in local hotels, and those hotels, in turn, were offering discounted rates.

Traffic at the airport was particularly heavy in the hours after the attacks in Manhattan. Eighteen planes, en route to other destinations, landed in Dayton in response to a Federal Aviation Administration order ceasing all U.S. air traffic. The FAA said air traffic would be restored no sooner than noon today.

Vinh V. Dinh, the normally ebullient chief engineer for the Miami Valley Regional Transit Authority, was close to tears as he ordered the doors locked and other security measures enforced on the brand-new RTA hub at Third and Main streets, only four days after it opened.

Dinh, a Vietnamese refugee, said, "I have seen destruction in Vietnam in the war, but there are no words to describe the destruction at this time. I just have a sickening feeling at this time, not yet knowing the loss in human lives."

In his televised address Tuesday night, President Bush referred to the loss of life in the thousands.

In Columbus, a sober Gov. Bob Taft likened Tuesday's wave of terrorism to the 1941 Japanese sneak attack on U.S. military installations at Hawaii's Pearl Harbor, which led America into World War II. He said Ohio stands ready to help Americans in New York, Washington, D.C., or elsewhere respond to the horrific attacks.

"Today is a day that will live in infamy," Taft said at a press conference. "Not since 1941, when President Roosevelt spoke those words in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, has this nation experienced such a deliberate and destructive attack as occurred earlier today. We have suffered the loss of thousands of civilian lives in two of our nation's great cities. The targets include two of the most powerful and identifiable symbols of America. I can only echo the words of President Bush today that these acts were committed by faceless cowards. I pledge the resources of the state of Ohio in the rescue and recovery effort and aiding the president in his hunt to punish those responsible."

Earlier Tuesday, Taft ordered nonessential state workers home, increased security at state buildings, activated the emergency operations center, put the Ohio National Guard on high alert and ordered flags flown at half-mast.

The 75-member Ohio Task Force One Urban Search & Rescue Team, based at Wright-Patterson, was dispatched to McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey to help with the rescue effort.

The team, one of 22 such units funded by Federal Emergency Management Agency, was to be sent into the World Trade Center disaster area with trained search dogs, cameras and listening devices to search the rubble for survivors, said Scott Hall, chief of the Bellbrook fire department and spokesman for the search and rescue team. Members include medical specialists to treat wounded who may still be trapped.

The task force left Wright-Pat at 5:18 p.m., traveling in a convoy of buses, trucks and other vehicles escorted by the Ohio Highway Patrol. It is expected to arrive at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey at 5:30 a.m. today.

The group usually is sent for 10 day missions. But given the enormity of this disaster, the mission may be cut short, Hall said.

"If they get involved in the trade center and there are a lot of fatalities, it may be shortened for the mental health of the crews," he said.

Thirty-three of the members of the crew came from Miami Valley area fire departments; 15 came from Hamilton County and seven from the Columbus area.

Throughout the Miami Valley, people attended vigils to offer prayers for the victims of the tragedies.

Meanwhile, local Islamic schools closed Tuesday after receiving threatening telephone calls. While no group has been officially linked with Tuesday's attacks, members of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton said that Muslims in the Miami Valley had begun receiving calls of blame and threats. The society's president, Marwan Maarouf, issued a statement condemning the terrorism.

"We join members of our Dayton community and Americans everywhere in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators," Maarouf said. "No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."

At the Community Blood Center in downtown Dayton, there was an unprecedented three-hour wait to donate blood. The center typically draws about 80 pints of blood from a like number of donors in a day - on Tuesday, officials expected more than 400.

Blood center officials will be offering not only blood, but donated tissue for skin grafts, for victims of the terrorism, said the center's marketing coordinator, Cindy Carusone. The center at 349 S. Main St. accepted donations until late Tuesday night, and was to reopen from 7:30 a.m. to 7 p.m. today.

"It's phenomenal - never in our history has it been like this," Carusone said of the influx of donors. "They don't care about the wait. They just want to help their fellow Americans, because it's the right thing to do."

* Contact Tom Beyerlein at 225-2264 or e-mail him at tom_beyerlein@coxohio.com. Staff writers Jim Bebbington, William Hershey, Laura Bischoff, Timothy R. Gaffney, Wes Hills, Rob Modic, Bob Batz, Christopher Montgomery, Lou Grieco, Benjamin Kline contributed to this story.
Copyright, 2001, Cox Ohio Publishing. All rights reserved.

Shoestring - June 8, 2007 08:30 AM (GMT)
Here's the second article:

WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT
Base activates national command posts

By R. Gaffney
Dayton Daily News
September 12, 2001

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert and activated two national command posts Tuesday after terrorists carried out an air attack using hijacked airliners in New York, Washington and Pittsburgh.

The base beefed up gate security Tuesday after two hijacked airliners slammed into the World Trade Center's twin towers in New York City at 8:45 and 9:03 a.m. But the base went into higher gear when the Pentagon became the next target. A hijacked airliner plowed into one section of the five-sided building in Washington, D.C., at 9:43 a.m.

Minutes later, an E-4B National Airborne Operations Center - a white 747 Jumbo Jet often confused with Air Force One - took off from Wright-Pat for an undisclosed destination. It returned later in the day. Wright-Pat is one of a few designated bases for the flying command center.

Meanwhile, top generals on the base huddled and managers sent home nonessential personnel.

Col. Michael Hazen, 88th airbase wing commander, said Tuesday evening the base was operating on "the highest force protection standards" and "will continue as long as the Air Force directs us to stay at heightened alert."

Security police searched cars, causing traffic backups at base gates. Hazen urged the public to stay away from the base to reduce congestion.

F-16 fighter jets came and went during the day. Some belonged to the Ohio Air National Guard's 178th Fighter Group, temporarily based at Wright-Pat because of construction work at the Springfield airport.

Sounds widely reported as sonic booms rocked the Dayton area late in the afternoon, but base officials said they had no information on their origin.

"We are investigating those sounds. I cannot confirm they were sonic booms," said Lt. Col. Ed Worley, director of public affairs at Wright-Pat.

Hazen said only that fighters from Wright-Pat "flew missions, but not to a local emergency." The F-16 can dash at supersonic speeds, but supersonic flight is ordinarily prohibited over the United States.

Dressed in a combat uniform, Hazen kept his remarks brief and returned to the base's battle staff center, where top base leaders were meeting throughout the day.

Earlier Tuesday, a spokeswoman confirmed the command's headquarters at Wright-Pat also had activated its command center, a high-security war room used to manage worldwide support of Air Force combat units during war or times of high tension. "We are preparing to coordinate any assistance . . . that is requested" by military commanders, AFMC spokeswoman Lt. Col. Adrienne Campbell said.

Located inside the AFMC headquarters building at Wright-Pat, the command center operated around the clock throughout the Persian Gulf War to monitor the readiness of combat planes and manage the massive airlift that built up war supplies in the region.

The E-4B National Airborne Operations Center is a flying military command post that is often mistaken for Air Force One when it flies over the Miami Valley. Known as the "Doomsday Plane" during the Cold War, it serves the president and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Under a special agreement, it also supports Federal Emergency Management Agency operations during major disasters.

The E-4B is a highly modified Boeing 747. Equipped with a conference room, briefing room, work rooms and living quarters, it can support crews of up to 114 people. It carries stockpiles of food and can be refueled in flight.

Base representatives had no immediate word on whether anyone from Wright-Pat was a victim of the Pentagon attack.

* Contact Timothy R. Gaffney at 225-2390 or e-mail him at timothy_gaffney@coxohio.com
Copyright, 2001, Cox Ohio Publishing. All rights reserved.

TruthIsOutThere - June 11, 2007 08:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JTGOB @ Jun 7 2007, 03:07 PM)



"Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?

I googled his quotes, and the search produced zero results.

Considering the fact that these are new members, their only posts are in this thread, and I cannot find their quotes, I'm gunna have to call BS on these guys."

Sorry that I am new here.

I have only been working on what I know to help fill in any blanks for people. Since my experience was with Wright Pat AFB and being in Dayton, Ohio on that 9/11....that's what I'm doing. I was responding to the original question at the top of the thread. I just jumped right in because I was so moved by watching Loose Change 2.0 that day of my first post.

I did put that my sources were from the Dayton Daily News, the local newspaper for the Miami Valley which is owned by Cox. The Dayton Daily News recently opened up their archives of past articles for free, which is why I've been cutting and pasting pertinent information for you. You can find them at www.daytondailynews.com and do all the searching you want about 9/11, which is what I have been doing for this thread.

I'll do better next time. I apologize. Here are some URLs attached to excerpts from my original posts. I think if you click on them you'll have to register with Newsbank or Dayton Daily News, but the articles are FREE to read on the internet. I checked JackD's URLs and they worked fine for me - not dead at all, as previously reported.

Oh, BTW, in the early days after 9/11 I had the same question: Why won't the Air Force confirm this stuff as sonic booms? I mean they're the experts on what a freakin' sonic boom sounds like!

Anyway, URLS away! Enjoy!

"Seen & Overheard", 9/13/2001
After an erroneous local TV report Tuesday evening that an airplane had crashed into the Dayton VA Medical Center...
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...9D47&p_docnum=1

"Speak Up", 9/14/2001
* I think that, at the very least, WHIO-Channel 7 owes the Miami Valley an apology...
AND
* At about 6 o'clock Tuesday, just after everyone heard two loud noises...
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...A97F&p_docnum=1

(excerpted from a page 1A story on 9/12/01):
COMMUNITY, NATION OIRN DAY OF TERROR
"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert...
and
"There was a scare late Tuesday afternoon when two thunderous booms...
and
"Traffic at the airport was particularly heavy...
Shoestring posted this complete article previously on this thread. I just excerpted a few sentences from it. URL previously identified by Shoestring on Google as well:
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...27BB&p_docnum=1

(excerpted from a story on page 1C on 9/12/01 that covered the national and local news reporting angles):
TELEVISION REPORTS BROUGHT THE UNFATHOMABLE BEFORE OUR EYES
"Locally, the reporters were limited...
and
"WDTN (Channel 2)'s Howard Nathan...
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...A1E9&p_docnum=1

another article from Sept. 12, 2001 - this one just about the base:
WRIGHT-PAT AIR FORCE BASE GOES TO HIGHEST ALERT
"Wright-Patterson Air Force Base went on high alert...
This article was posted in full by me in a previous post in this thread and by Shoestring as well. URL previously identified by Shoestring on Google too:
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archiv...13A1&p_docnum=2

JackD - June 11, 2007 09:11 PM (GMT)
looks like prob is on my end ... cookies not enabled.

for the benefit of those in my shoes, could you cut and paste the stories which are in the links you placed?>

nice work TIOT! (truthisOUTTHERE)


JTGOB - June 12, 2007 01:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (JTGOB @ Jun 7 2007, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (dylan avery @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE (JackD @ Jun 7 2007, 01:46 AM)
you MUST examine the "jug handle" turn made by AA77 long before it 'disappeared' --

they subsequently EDITED OUT the jug handle north-then-west-then-south turn over W. virginia
from published radar traces. begging the question, why?

Very good. I figured most people forgot about the jughandle. Did we ever get an explanation as to why that was initially reported?

Btw, not that I doubt any of this, but is there any news report confirming this Dayton sonic boom?

I googled his quotes, and the search produced zero results.

Considering the fact that these are new members, their only posts are in this thread, and I cannot find their quotes, I'm gunna have to call BS on these guys.

Been away on business... I should be more specific. I googled these quotes:

QUOTE
From the Dayton Daily News:

"Seen & Overheard", 9/13/2001
After an erroneous local TV report Tuesday evening that an airplane had crashed into the Dayton VA Medical Center, Lawrence Tucker, assistant to the director, received calls from several center employees who said they didn't want to come to work because of what they saw on TV. Later, a miffed Tucker said: `Police checked the whole grounds. It's not like you can hide a plane crash.'

"Speak Up", 9/14/2001
* I think that, at the very least, WHIO-Channel 7 owes the Miami Valley an apology for incorrectly reporting, without confirming the information, that a plane had crashed at the VA Center. The report caused pandemonium and panic.
AND
* At about 6 o'clock Tuesday, just after everyone heard two loud noises, WHIO-TV reported that there was a possible plane crash at the Veterans Administration Center. It even went so far as to show smoke from a fire. How bad can news reporting get? In the end, we found out that there was a fire somewhere around the VA. Channel 7 owes an apology.


and they returned zero results. I didn't google any other quotes, so as far as the validity of the other quotes, I have no idea.

JTGOB - June 12, 2007 01:53 AM (GMT)
Ok... shoestring's links worked...

As far as I'm concerned, it was probably just the government using F-16s to make sonic booms so they could look like they were doing something and there really was danger, but since the reports are real, I guess everyone is allowed their own interpretation of it, so long as they don't start saying it was hologram airplanes creating sonic booms. :P

JTGOB - June 12, 2007 05:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TruthIsOutThere @ Jun 11 2007, 08:10 PM)
Sorry that I am new here.

I have only been working on what I know to help fill in any blanks for people. Since my experience was with Wright Pat AFB and being in Dayton, Ohio on that 9/11....that's what I'm doing. I was responding to the original question at the top of the thread. I just jumped right in because I was so moved by watching Loose Change 2.0 that day of my first post.

I'll do better next time. I apologize. Here are some URLs attached to excerpts from my original posts. I think if you click on them you'll have to register with Newsbank or Dayton Daily News, but the articles are FREE to read on the internet. I checked JackD's URLs and they worked fine for me - not dead at all, as previously reported.

A lot of people lie, and there is nothing more suspicious than a new member posting news articles that don't show up on google... always gotta be sure to link the article unless it is a well-known fact.

It turns out I was wrong though... the news articles do exist. It's a somewhat interesting story. I just got done watching some news footage from 9/13, and they said that normal air traffic was going to resume and that F-16 air patrols were going to stop. There could be an explanation other than F-16s, but who knows...

bulluck - June 19, 2007 02:29 PM (GMT)
I also live in Dayton, Oh and was working in Huber Heights, Oh that morning. it sits right next to the AFB and many of the people that work on base live here, around what i believe was noon-1pm the office i was working in lost all phones and power, we were all sitting in the conference room around the tv and everything stopped, cell phones werent working either, so a few of us went outside and started walking building to building in the office park to see if this was the same for everyone, almost everyone seemed to be out doing the same thing, lasted from what i remember about 2 hrs, and then without warning it just came back on, i guess my question is did anyone else experience this, i also saw the fighter jets all day, but that is normal here everyday, what wasnt normal was the "sonic boom" we heard, from what i remember it was in the afternoon as someone else has already stated, i say this because the way i remember it i had already made it home from work and was sitting down watching the news, it was so loud that it rattled the widows and i ran outside but could see nothing.

TruthIsOutThere - June 19, 2007 04:45 PM (GMT)
Thanks for providing more information, Bulluck.

I didn't lose power that day. Of course, I live just south of downtown Dayton near the University of Dayton, so I was in a completely different area.

Like you say, Huber Heights is right smack dab next to the base. It is interesting that you lost power for a time. And cell phone service too! None of the newspaper accounts in the Dayton Daily that I've been reading over from Sept. 12 and 13, 2001 have mentioned anything about power outages. Usually when power goes out to more than a hundred people in the area, the Dayton Daily and the local news stations are all over it, as I'm sure you know! I'll do another quick scan to make sure I didn't just skip over the mention of power outages when reading.

I don't know why after seeing "Loose Change" I'm suddenly obsessed with the strange events in Dayton that day. I just have a gut feeling that we're missing something. Or that something seemingly insignificant has been overlooked.

TruthIsOutThere - June 19, 2007 05:07 PM (GMT)
Yup - just did another sweep through the Dayton Daily News archive for that time period and there is no mention of cell phone or power outages in the area on or around Sept. 11, 2001.

Maybe Huber Heights has a newspaper.....I'll look into that....

bulluck - June 19, 2007 07:41 PM (GMT)
the local paper is called the Huber Heights Courier, not sure how to search the records but i hope that helps

JackD - June 20, 2007 10:53 PM (GMT)
Power outages and loss of cell phone connectivity can be associated with Electromagnetic pulse effects.

I do not know of any EMP weapons, although they are rumoured to exist.

I think some of the electronic warfare planes and ground vehicles may be enabled.

it is not clear if they go 'boom' or not.

TruthIsOutThere - June 26, 2007 12:07 PM (GMT)
Late last week I went down to the downtown Dayton library and read through the back issues of the weekly Huber Heights Courier. I read four issues, starting with Sept. 12, 2001.

There was nothing extra in there that hadn't already been reported on in the Dayton paper. Most of the eyewitness accounts dealt with people who were at work that day and heard about the attacks and remembered that their son would be in the WTC or whatever - that kind of thing. There was really nothing talking about what was happening on the ground in Dayton or Huber Heights proper.

So nothing new or whatever to report there.

I'll keep digging around here for more....




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