Title: The Cost Effects Of 9/11
victim's family - May 5, 2007 05:21 PM (GMT)
It would cost the US government more money ( more everything actually) planning, executing, and covering-up 9/11 than it would Al Qaeda.
One reason is that Al Qaeda doesn't have to cover-up anything.
But the US governemnt does, while at the same time maintaining a working government for the people, even if it's just for "the appearance of".
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Here's what Al Qaeda had to do:
-recruit hijackers who hate Americans (lots of blood-thristy potential suicide bombers to choose from)
-pay for flight training
-do the flight training
-become familiar with the location and appearance of the targets
-steal identities (Im sure some of you have been a victim of this one - I know I have)
-plan the coordination of the attacks (airline's schedules, itinerary)
-pay for the hijackers transportation, food, hotel, etc
-buy some plane tickets
-board the planes
-violently jump out of your seat and attack some off-guard, untrained, disoriented, helpless passengers
-raid the cockpit and kill the pilots
-put the flight training to use (you wont have to land, nor must you takeoff)
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But the United States Government has to:
-find many, many, many people who have the stomach for killing an estimated 3,000 innocent human beings (people who did not provoke attacks - these are not casualties of a war)
-find a few Americans who, if the price is right, are willing to have their own family members killed and be a part of this government conspiracy
-tell these people what your plan is and hope they keep their mouth shut without becoming a whistle-blower
-make sure these people are competent in their various jobs relating to carrying out the plot
-pay them lots of money to not only follow through with all this, but keep their mouth shut for life (this is probably the most expensive part)
-secure "fake?" airplanes
-pay various emergency response officials to lie or ignore certain things
-pay various media outlets to lie, cover-up, ignore certain things (and hope to God they dont ultimately realize that blowing the lid off 9/11 would be the biggest news story in human history)
-design or find bombs that wont be found
-deliver them to the locations without being noticed
-hide various bombs in various buildings without being noticed
-hope to god that nobody finds those bombs after they are planted (it could be days, even weeks between planting the bombs and detonating them, all the while people will be working near them - office workers, maintenance, etc)
-find or build fake plane wreckage
-store fake plane wreckage where no one will find it
-plant fake plane wreckage without anyone seeing you do so
-kidnap the actual passengers of United 93????
-force them to call their families and make up stories???
-use voice enhancers so that you sound like the real passengers as you call their families????
-hold the real passengers against their will in a hidden location????
-kill the real passengers and completely hide the evidence, including their bodies???
-willfully demolish lower manhattan
-willfully damage the pentagon
-come up with cover-up stories (like for example, damaging the pentagon with a missle, but, for some reason, say it was a plane)
-pay various US military officials to stand down
-seriously screw up your own economy on mulitple levels
-pray EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that all of the sensitive materials & documents that were in the buildings you bombed were all completely destroyed (they might be buried and not been found yet, like some of the bodies)
-pray EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that nobody involved is ever arrested for some kind of (unrelated to 9/11) government corruption and decides to blow the whistle in exchange for immunity.
-pray EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that nobody involved realizes, on their own, what they are a part of and decides to blow the whistle
-pray EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that nobody involved realizes what they are a part of and decides to commit suicide out of severe guilt (it happens) and leaves behind the incriminating evidence of a US government conspiracy to plan, execute and cover-up the unprecedanted 9/11 attacks of 2001
-finally...refelct....think to yourself - was it all worth it? Did we achieve our goal by going through all this trouble? Was THIS the best way to reach that goal? Was this the only way to do it? I really hope we didnt go out of our way.
But, when it comes to planting fake WMD evidence in Iraq, the US decides not to, and as a result, allow themselves to look like COMPLETE IDIOTS, going down in history as making governmental fools out of themselves - really think about this one - you just went through all the trouble of 9/11 - but you dont plant fake WMD evidence in Iraq?
Feel free to add or argue anything on here. I'm sure it can be improved, by both parties.
victim's family - May 6, 2007 01:13 PM (GMT)
When I posted this, I also posted several other thresds, and I think this one may becoming lost in the shuffle. So, just a little bump.
Barcoded - May 6, 2007 02:14 PM (GMT)
The price they paid to do 911 wasnt that much compared to the profits they now make in oil from the middle east.
victim's family - May 6, 2007 02:28 PM (GMT)
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| The price they paid to do 911 wasnt that much compared to the profits they now make in oil from the middle east. |
The price they paid....
What was the price and who are "they?" Specifically, who are they? And please provide specific evidence.
...compared to the profits they now make...
What are those profits? How much? Please provide specifc evidence.
...in oil from the middle east.
Please provide specific evidence that this is happening. Exactly how are they (whoever they are) doing this?
WITHOUT EVIDENCE, IT'S JUST SUSPICION AND SPECUALTION.
IVXX - May 6, 2007 02:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (victim's family @ May 6 2007, 09:28 AM) |
| WITHOUT EVIDENCE, IT'S JUST SUSPICION AND SPECUALTION. |
Then again without evidence so is your list of things the government would have to do to pull off 9/11. The problem is when someone says the government people immediately think Bush, Cheney, Rice and the whole administration. This is so far from the truth.
I would suggest reading "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA" by Webster Griffin Tarpley to see how this can be done with very little people actually knowing what's really going on.
You also have to ask yourself why was the administration so set against an investigation into the events of 9/11?? The Commission wasn't approved until 441 days after 9/11. Then the administration did everything to sabotage it. Not enough funding, a very short timeframe to complete the report. Not allowing access to all documents the Commission needed. Bush and Cheney don't testify publicly and under oath. Instead it's together, behind closed doors and off the record. The list goes on.
Lord Tsukasa - May 6, 2007 04:13 PM (GMT)
Ever heard of Operation NorthWoods? It involved a much more complex plan (Blow up a ship, Hijack a drone aircraft and land the real aircraft at a military base, Capture Militia Groups, Develop communist terror campaigns in U.S. cities, Capture Cuban Saboteurs inside Guantanamo base, Land friendly cubans inside Guantanamo base, Blow up ammunition, Sabotage Aircraft, Start rumors, Anti-Cuba Propaganda, mock funerals, and bombing Guantanamo Bay with Mortar Shells) and they [The Government] were going to do it. It got all the way up to the Secretary of Defense.
victim's family - May 6, 2007 04:49 PM (GMT)
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| Then again without evidence so is your list of things the government would have to do to pull off 9/11. |
The things on that originated from accusations made by people who believe the government is behind 9/11. I just compiled a list of those things.
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| The problem is when someone says the government people immediately think Bush, Cheney, Rice and the whole administration. This is so far from the truth. |
That is why I ask people to be specific. I agree - you can't just say "the government" People need to be specfic. I address this is my thread PLAN - EXECUTE - COVER -UP....here
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...&#entry13432215 victim's family - May 24, 2007 04:34 PM (GMT)
darion - May 24, 2007 08:26 PM (GMT)
You have forgotten on thing. Al Qaeda never existed prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11 Osama was never a leader of a organization. Not once did Al Qaeda mentioned prior to 9/11. Al Qaeda was a name this country made up. That is the main reason we could never find Osama's Al Qaeda strong hold in Afganistan because there was no large organization to find.
Grecoisdead - May 25, 2007 05:25 PM (GMT)
Who makes this stuff up??? Seriously, you need to look at sources before making statements.
The name al-Qaida, or "the Base," dates back to 1988 and reportedly originated from the term used to refer to one of bin Laden's guesthouses.The name was found in the handwritten notes of OBL's secretary Abu Rida al-Suri from a meeting in 1989.
So who says US made up the name of the group? The "source" of your information is Pravda. Do I need to repeat myself PRAVDA.
Hey distrust the US government? By all means, please do. But when you start quoting a propaganda machine as your source... you got issues.
victim's family - May 25, 2007 09:08 PM (GMT)
Regardless of Al Qaeda, you still need to look at what the US government would have had to go through to plan, execute, and cover-up 9/11. Everything they had to do. Does it really seem reasonable?
I am not questioning whether they would WANT to do those things.
I am questioning the logistical practicality of actually pulling it off.
darion - May 26, 2007 01:19 AM (GMT)
True the was a organization called Al Qaeda. However it was not a terrorist group. No terrorist group called Al Qaeda prior to 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKYID2ACdKs victim's family - May 26, 2007 07:21 PM (GMT)