Can someone show me a photo evidence that proves that anyone of the hijackers is alive?

I found one :lol:

Where?!

This (idea that hijackers are still alive) was from a mis-reported (and since retracted) story from 2001.

there were numerous reports, only the bbc retracted the story after it received a lot of flak.

obviously any hijackers on planes that hit the buildings are going to be dead.

the issue is that the identities given by the FBI and shown across the tv networks were the identities of people that were still alive and who had never been to the united states. the official story then changed to that of stolen identities.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../23/widen23.xml

"The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania."

"The FBI had published his personal details but with a photograph of somebody else, presumably a hijacker who had "stolen" his identity. CNN, however, showed a picture of the real Mr Al-Ghamdi"

"The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own"

...So if the identities were stolen, we do not know the real identity. If the 911 hijackers were using stolen identities, then we don't know who they were or who they worked for, but we do know who the perpetrators wanted us to think they were.

You are still relying on stories from two days after the attacks. Yes names get matched with the wrong people and photos in the immediate aftermath. However, it is 2007 and this "hijackers alive" story needs to be taken off life support.

the hijackers were never positively identified.
the fact that we still don't know in 2007 is not reason to accept the mantra given out by the media.
we do not know who they were or who they worked for.

But you do accept the mantras given out by the conspiracy media, that's why it is so hard for you to let go of what has become a running joke for debunkers - "hey look at this newspaper report from September 2001! It says the hijackers are alive!"

you seek to use a meaningless sound bite to frame the debate and narrow the viewpoint, then attribute that sound bite to the whole 911 truth movement. this is a common tactic i have frequently seen by those who wish to shut down debate.

just as the mantra "the fire didn't need to melt the steel, it just needed to weaken it" ignores the fact that molten iron was found at ground zero, your "hijackers are still alive" sound bite ignores the fact that the hijackers have not been positively identified.

you cannot prove the hijackers were not mossad or cia operatives posing as arabs.

"Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open. Until now. Now the FBI is sticking with its original story - regardless of whether photographs displayed of the suspected Sept. 11 terrorists were of people who never boarded those planes and are very much alive. FBI spokesman Bill Carter simply brushes off as false the charges from news reports that the FBI misidentified some of the Sept. 11 terrorists. Carter says they got the names right and it doesn't matter whether the identities were stolen. This comes as a complete about-face from Mueller's comment that there might be some question about the names of the Sept. 11 terrorists because they might have been operating under stolen identities."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix..._terrorists.htm


....you do not know what i accept.

"Legal evidence" would consist of things like physical evidence (like fingerprints, DNA samples, which aren't always conclusive anyway) or witness testimony that would prove the identities. Not having legal evidence does not mean there isn't any evidence against them; it only means that the people who were saying that these specific people were hijacking the plane were not under oath at the time, and that the crime scene (the plane) was not recoverable. It doesn't mean there's serious doubt as to whether the hijackers were actually government agents, or that the people calling from the plane were lying, or the calls were faked, or anything like that. (I'm not saying you've claimed all of this, I'm just accounting for the theories that are out there.)

When was this picture taken? Who is it supposed to be? Do you have any pictures to compare this to?

OK

Right after YOU show ME evidence that they ever got on the plane in the first place.

1 - If they didn't get on the planes, they would still be alive
2 - See above post for photo of one of the hijackers going through security
3 - The planes were hijacked...kind of tough to do if they didn't get on the plane
4 - Passenger manifests list all of the hijackers
5 - ATC has at least one of them recorded on the radio transmissions from the aircraft (again, pretty tough to do if you're not on the plane)


Now, how about that proof that some of them are still alive...?

So you have proof they are dead then? Please show me.

Oh wow he went through security boys and girls. And where pray did he go after that old chum? Did he get on the plane?

If yes

Photo please!

And where pray do have the chain of evidence linking those planes crashing into the Towers and the Pentagon to the ones allegedly being hijacked?

Oh it's not another must-have-done again is it?

Actually they don't and the autopsy of the bodies supposedly taken from the Pentagon don't list any hijackers.

And you have solid evidence that the transmission came from that precise plane do you?

OK post this evidence.

The scanners on their left were not put into Dulles airport until after September 11th.

Tell me what, specifically, you're looking for. A death certificate?

Is it common practice to take photos of people as they board a plane? I wasn't aware of that.

All of the planes involved had their transponders turned off, and the pilots would not respond to radio communication. In at least one case, the hijacker was heard on the radio.

Please link me to the passenger manifests you're referencing.

This is according to ATC. If you have evidence that it was broadcast from somewhere other than the plane in question, please present it.

Source, please.

OK I'll tel you what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for a justification to lay waste two sovereign nations, plunge the US into the biggest debt in its history, the killing of 100000 plus people and the blowing off the arms and legs of innocent kids. I'm looking for justification.

Got any chum?

So where's yer proof then chum. Not my problem you deal with it.

No A voice was heard on A radio. That's all you have Gungadin. Not proof of anything.

Autopsy list

Another question ansered. Ain't it about time you started to answer some of mine?

ATC tapes are missing old chum. You don't appear to be up to speed on any of this do you? I don't need to produce proof to invalidate your CONSPIRACY THEORY. Beyond the demand for a free enquiry. Do you have a problem with this?

Source? CNN, Fox TV ABC etc etc etc etc

The scanners were put in as result of the attacks. They weren't there on September 11th.

You will of course notice the total absence of any time stamp of the CCTV.

I never said any of those actions were justified. I just don't believe that these attacks were carried out or intentionally assisted by our government.

What would you consider "proof" that the hijackers were on the planes?

Planes transponders are turned off, planes veer off course, suspected hijacker is heard on the radio, saying "we have a plane/bomb", reports from those on the plane state that there is a hijacker. What else do you need?

Of course you realize citing your source as you've done above is not acceptable. You need to link to the specific video or statement stating that the equipment seen in the video above was not present on 9/11/2001.

This frame is zoomed in, if there was any time/date info, it is probably outside the area of the zoom.

I don't need to anything old chum beyond demand a new enquiry.

You appear to have a problem with wanting to allow this, is there a problem?

Don't give me the it-will-cost-too-much crap either the wars cost more than it would cost on a daily basis.

Very well, who would conduct this new inquiry? And who would pay for it?

Well you could get Halliburton to pay for it they have some spare cash.

The thing is I want to know from you what it is that you can present to me in the way of evidence that Arabs working for Al Qaeda were in those planes when they crashed into the various buildings.

Surely you can give me SOME evidence surely to justify the actions taken.

Are you going to keep moving the goalposts or are you going to answer the questions?

- What is your source that the scanners were not installed prior to 9/11/01? (Specific source)

- Who would conduct this investigation, and who would pay for it?

Absolutely old chum.

You haven't provided any evidence for your CONSPIRACY THEORY and continually fail to do so.

I have no position to defend but you do.

Do you mind telling me precisely who those guys in the picture are and what have they to with this? Please give proof that thay went anywhere near New York on September 11th

I thought your "position" was that there needed to be a new inquiry?

You want a new inquiry and have asked me if I would support it, my answer depends on your answer to this:

- Who would conduct this investigation?
- Who would pay for it?

Who would conduct it?

Tell you what we'll discuss that on another thread.

You didn't think I was going to let you duck out of the questions I asked did you?

Meanwhile.

Evidence that there were Arab hijackers on those planes that crashed into the tower here now front and center.


Please tell me that you have some evidence beyond a serioes of must-have-dones?

Sure, what specific evidence are you looking for? What specific evidence would prove to you that the hijackers were on the planes?

Try any evidence.

You know I'm abolutely sure of this that if you had the evidence you would be posting it right now instead of all this stalling you're doing.

Face it chum. You don't have any do you?

We can do this all day, you simply dismiss any evidence we present using the Kent Hovind method of argument. Unless you can actually specify what evidence you require to falsify your beliefs your theories are simply untestable and irrelevant.

We probably will do this all day until you come up with evidence. Any evidence.

The fact that you don't do this is speaking volumes old chum.

Evidence has been presented :
See photos above
See flight manifests
See reports of hijackers voices on CVR
See recovered documents


ETA: ...Chum.

You forgot to call him "chum."