Once fully inaugurated into the CIA and accepted into the ranks of the most secretive of covert ops, your old identity will be destroyed and replaced with several new identities you will use henceforth. The destruction must be visible. Your old identity must be that of a dead man. So by all appearances you die during a plane accident. All of your old bank accounts are closed, your credit terminated, your personal history summarized at a funeral for you. Some of your belongings are put in a coffin and lowered into a grave during a funeral your friends and family attend.

Some members of your immediate family are made aware that you are still alive and twice a year you are allowed to contact them. The rest think you are dead. They are compensated. You also are well-paid.

But ultimately, to the world, you are thought to have died on Flight 77.

And you enter the world of covert black ops with several new identities. :ph43r:

Thoughts?

Hard.. but if u wanna live like it so be ;)

Here are the flight manifests. Note that there is not a single Arab name on any of the manifests. Chasing down the true identity of the rest of the names on the lists will, yes, turn up real people, but it will also take you down dead end allies ending with what would appear to be nonentities, or nonpersons.

How do the 5th graders who were flying with chaperones as opposed to family members fit in to this theory?

Some real people died that day. Their names appeared on the manifests. Whether they were shot, gassed, poisoned or fed to sharks is anyone's guess. They are dead and their names appeared on the flight manifests.

Some of the names on the manifests were of people who might have been involved in the crimes of 9/11 and were killed to prevent them and their ilk from becoming whistleblowers.

<snip>The following list of passengers was gathered from many sources posted on the Internet:

Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, "the dean of electronic warfare," (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.

William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, ("an industry leader in flight control systems"), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA. (See the appendix for a list of outside directors of BAE Systems that were not on Flight 77.)

Robert Ploger and his wife were added "late" to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another "flag" link. The other "late" addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a "planned murder." Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of "black ops," according to his son.</snip>

Fair enough.

What makes this theory verifiable? What makes this more likely than, say, everyone aboard was killed and their bodies disposed?

To argue for sports sake I would say it is too great of a coincidence for the names listed above, names of potential whistleblowers, to have all been flying that day. More than likely they were "disappeared" and then a trail of evidence created making it appear they were taking last minute flights to Los Angeles. Any intelligence-grade hack could access your banking and other accounts and make it appear you bought a ticket for a certain flight a few hours, or days even, in advance.

Or maybe all these folks were lured onto flights somehow, with perceived mandatory meetings in Los Angeles. Then they and everyone else on the plane was killed somehow and their bodies disposed.

Either theory works. In the case of the latter all the folks on the planes would have been killed and meanwhile anybody else slated to "disappear" that day, be they real or fake spook identities, would have been added to the manifests before they were submitted by AA or UA to CNN or wherever.

With either theory, you've got some real people that disappear and some identities that no longer represent flesh and bone beings being destroyed for the sake of the story.

Ok. Let me see if I have it, then:

There were a certain number of people involved in some aspect of the 9/11 attacks who were considered to be potential whistleblowers. These peoples' identities were added to the manifest for flight 77 so that the general public would believe that they were dead. The rest of the people whose names are on the manifest are actually dead. Then, the potential whistleblowers were incorporated into a covert operation scheme with new identities.

Is that about right?

Re: "These peoples' identities were added to the manifest for flight 77 so that the general public would believe that they were dead."

Yes. They were probably killed and then added to the manifest. The way I see it is if they are slated to "disappear" on that day, why bother trying to lure them onto a plane. This seems like an elaborate trap. An additional unnecessary step. Instead, go to their homes. Pick them up. Kill them. Dispose of the bodies. Add the names to the manifest. Have a hacker make it appear they took last-minute flights to L.A. that day for whatever reason. Done.

Re: "The rest of the people whose names are on the manifest are actually dead."

Er. I think there may well have been civilians whose regular flights that day were canceled or delayed and so boarded some of the planes that were used in NORAD's live-fly hijacking exercises that day. Remember, at one time the FAA reported 22 hijacks. Twenty-two! Surely this number cannot be correct but maybe it is and we can at least assume there were several live-fly hijacking exercises occurring in American air space. Some of the passengers who accidentally found their ways onto the planes used in the exercises may well have been killed somehow. Their names ended up on the flight manifests.

Re: "(Recent CIA inductees) were incorporated into a" highly secretive elite covert operations corp which required that their old identities be "killed" or somehow "die."

Right. These now-dead identities appeared on the flight manifests.

What I'm saying is the flight manifests were mixed bags. The manifests were essentially lists of names of people who actually died that day during war game exercises, potential whistleblowers who were "disappeared" that day, and spook identities that needed to be destroyed for whatever reason.

Interesting idea. The CNN site you link to, though, states that:

"In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon near Washington, D.C., and the crash of United Airlines flight 93, officials across the country are working to piece together lists of victims.

While the official number of those missing and dead will inevitably rise over the next few weeks, authorities from American Airlines, United Airlines, the Department of Defense, the New York City Medical Examiners Office and the New York City Fire Department, have released partial lists. They are linked below. " (emphasis mine)

Lists of the victims often did not include hijackers (they weren't seen as victims), and CNN explicitly states that its list is incomplete. If you look for example at the Boston Globe's reproduction of the AA11 manifest/seating plan - http://graphics.boston.com/news/packages/u...11_manifest.gif - this does include the names of the hijackers. Whether you believe if or not is another question, of course.

Okay. Good catch.

you're welcome, George. It's surprising how often that CNN page you link to is cited as proof that there were no Arab names on the passenger manifests.

Hmmmm i wonder. My brothers been in the airforce 22 years and he was pose to be on 93 but something told him the day before to go home althou i still talk ot him was he involved???

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and you can just say so. It's one thing to correct me, but it's quite another to change my words, however well-meaning the changes may be.

That being said, I do appreciate your patience as I try to work this theory out.

Let's see if I have it, yet:

There are four catagories of identities listed on the manifests for all four of the flights presumed to have crashed on 9/11:

First are the ordinary citizens. These are the crew and passengers who were actually on board the flights at some point. They were killed and their bodies disposed.

Second are the potential whistleblowers. These are the identities of people who were involved in some aspect of the 9/11 attacks, and were subsequently considered to be potential whistleblowers. They may or may not have been on board the actual flights. They were killed, their bodies disposed, and their names added to the manifest (if they weren't already) before being released to the public (and their personal histories changed to reflect them being on board, etc.).

Third are the new CIA recruits. These are people who were recently inducted into a highly secretive elite covert operations corp. They, too, may or may not have been on board the actual flights. However, they are not now physically dead; their identities are presumed to have perished on these flights. They subsequently assumed one of several new identities.

Fourth are the identities which did not belong to any physical person. These are the identities on the manifest which, if researched extensively, do not appear to have been real people.
.......

Would you say that that is a fair summary of this theory?

No. Here they are:

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html

Any idea why the Moussaui manifests couldn't have been released sooner and why they were in such low quality just like all the OBL confession video?

I think it's a bit unlikely that all those people were taken by the CIA. MOre liely though I hate to say it that they were all killed...

Well, if I follow the theory correctly, two of the groups of people really did die, and a third never actually existed in the first place, leaving only the fourth to be those who go on to assume new identities.

The names George listed are, I believe, those whom he feels were potential whistleblowers.

That would make sense...

What was the software used to manipulate the passengers speech on the cell phone calls ?

There's already a pretty-good (though probably false) rebuttal to the "manifest" evidence.

That is the fact that it is a list of "victims" and not of "deaths". When bringing up this evidence before, I have seen people get mauled with this well placed response.

"That's a list of victims, and the hijackers weren't victims."

We need the manifests themselves! Not the news media's interpretations of the manifests!

I still have to think this is a bit of a stretch.

A lot of people are questioning as to why the (alleged) hijackers don't have their names on any of the passenger lists. Is it possible they could of assumed pseudonyms of the names of some of the passengers, who clearly don't exist.
They could have checked in using none Arab names, being a domestic flight they may have not needed their passports. This may have helped mask them being used as patsies.

Well, given no response, I will proceed as though the theory is as I have outlined it.

George, what are your estimates for the percentages of identities that fall within each category?
-So far, you have listed 18 identities (about 1% of all the identities). All of which fall within the potential whistleblowers category.

This would solve the passenger problem, for sure.

But the terrorists of 9/11 were very clever. They have manipulated the media (and forums) so successfully that very little research has been done on the official victims of, say, the 4 (supposed) flights.

Let us assume that the planning for such events began many years before. And that it involved expertise in many areas. Let us further assume that those on, say, the 4 planes (if the planes actually existed) were in some way susceptible to the evil of those who committed the atrocitity of 9/11. (The way in which these passengers were susceptible would need to be explored - it may of course be susceptibility of different kinds). But let us assume that all passengers were manipulated to some degree.

If this is true, then, we can regard their fate as part of something much bigger than the actual tragedy of 9/11.

Let us further assume that planes HAD to be used (or had to be portrayed as being used) since the destruction of the WTC by any other means would have caused a huge and detailed enquiry lasting, perhaps years. We can say, therefore, that the terrorists needed to convince all of us that planes were used. And therefore this aspect, the visual record, was vital. So too the plan to go to war as a response.

We therefore have a scenario in which the events of 9/11 are not the context but only part of something far bigger. Something that makes sense only if the fate of the passengers of those 4 flights is finally discovered. For, if their fate can be discovered we discover not only the terrorists but also, as a consequence, their motives.

One thing we don't need to assume..... You're a straw man. That's a fact.