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Title: Bin Laden, What The Hell Was His Role?


Reggie_perrin - October 19, 2006 06:27 PM (GMT)
Ok he didn't plan the attacks, he didn't fund the attacks, the FBI's most wantd list page for Bin Laden doesn't even mention 9/11.

What the fuck was his role in 9/11?

alexvegas - October 19, 2006 07:17 PM (GMT)
Scapegoat?

Horus - October 19, 2006 09:06 PM (GMT)
how about paid "Actor" in the Bush´s Public-Relations Campain?

911wasaninsidejob - October 19, 2006 10:16 PM (GMT)
Well The Saudis and The Bush's have been in relation for a long time, and if you believe that Osama Is the black sheep and his family isn't still very close to him I have a bridge I would like to sell you. I don't think its a coincidence that Osama Bin Laden bombs somewhere and then his family gets a no bid contract to rebuild it. Same with Halliburton...

I think Osama Is working for them and posing as an Islamic Fascist who really is helping nobody except Saudi and American Oil Companies and the Military Industrial Complex. My Theory is Osama was dead on the day of september eleventh.

Sean - October 20, 2006 02:44 AM (GMT)
He was just the man to point blame at (Scapegoat)

Reggie_perrin - October 21, 2006 02:22 PM (GMT)
I think it's safe to assume he's definatly working for the Bush admin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6072326.stm

remeber Bin Ladens endorment of Kerry before the US elections which pretty much swayed it for Bush, even to the extent of commentators musing and wondring if karl Rove was behind it?.

Dienekes - October 21, 2006 06:35 PM (GMT)
So first, the attacks happen, and...

he denies that he was responsible.

we attack Afghanistan, and...

We basically let Osama go.

He escapes into the mountains, and...

then starts making tapes when the repubs need him to.

very odd

Reggie_perrin - October 21, 2006 06:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dienekes @ Oct 21 2006, 06:35 PM)
So first, the attacks happen, and...

he denies that he was responsible.

we attack Afghanistan, and...

We basically let Osama go.

He escapes into the mountains, and...

then starts making tapes when the repubs need him to.

very odd

He's certainly been a usefull tool for them in the past, even Kerry admitted that the Bin Laden tape won Bush the election.

This new one isnt even a new Bin laden tape it's just a rehash of old ones used for the mid term election campiagn, they think that by scaring everyone shitless with clips of osama and co pontificating about striking again then they will vote republican, it's pretty damn sickening to be honest.Scaremonging of the highest order aimed squarly at bovine America.

Tenacious E - October 21, 2006 07:07 PM (GMT)
in the "Power of Nightmares" version of events, Osama was just mr moneybags for this "al qaeda" group that didn't actually exist. However, they claim that osama was in charge of his own little division of radicals that wanted to focus on attacking the source of evil in the world (America). Now it seems to me, that if osama was given his own division of men to work with independantly from the other leaders, then this would allow CIA or ISI infiltration of the whole oppereation just by being allies with Osama. If his job was to cook up a plot to destroy america and then take the blame for it, then the U.S. would have the perfect scapegoat. there is however, very little evidence that proves such links exist other than osama's cia visit in the hospital in dubai....but this is more or less what i believe to be the most likely scenario.

Theasker - October 21, 2006 10:56 PM (GMT)
Bin Laden had no role in 911. He is simply a scapegoat for the US. Ok I have read he is a drugs lord but so what? He is no international terrorist.

He is controlled by the CIA, this is fact.

In the immediate aftermath do 911 he denied all responsibly for 911. Since then he has made, or somebody claiming to be him as a claimed responsibility for 911.

I have read reports he is dead, this would not surprise me at all, better a dead witness than somebody who can blow this wide open.

alexvegas - October 21, 2006 11:03 PM (GMT)
In the immediate aftermath, not only did he deny it was him, but he said it was probably an inside job. Not his exact words; I'm sure someone can find the clip. It was either an audio or video tape, I can't remember.

Reggie_perrin - October 21, 2006 11:04 PM (GMT)
A Very reputable inteligence news agencie called Janes Inteligence confirmed Bin Laden was visited in hostpital on the 10th sept 01 by two CIA members, it was also reported on CBS, although they didn't mention the CIA.

rivers - October 22, 2006 04:39 AM (GMT)
In my opinion, of all the possible area of independent investigations (WTC demolitions, Pentagon blast and UA93 fake crash) this is the hardest. If not impossible. The amount of evidences are small and questionable.

So the only thing we can do is to write theories.

feralmet - October 22, 2006 10:37 AM (GMT)
alexvegas, here's the newspaper clip (Sept 28, 2001):

“I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States.

As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle. ...

The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive. They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia.

In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who have been annoyed with President Bush ever since the Florida elections and who want to avenge him. ... Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from Congress and the government every year. ... They needed an enemy. ...

Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked who carried out the attacks.”

[Daily Ummat (Karachi), 9/28/2001]


Note that this was published in the "local" newspaper - in my opinion a better source than some videotape found under a piece of goat's cheese in a shepherd's hut :)

Cheers.... Chris, Australia

Reggie_perrin - October 22, 2006 10:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (feralmet @ Oct 22 2006, 10:37 AM)
alexvegas, here's the newspaper clip (Sept 28, 2001):

“I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States.

As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle. ...

The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive. They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia.

In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who have been annoyed with President Bush ever since the Florida elections and who want to avenge him. ... Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from Congress and the government every year. ... They needed an enemy. ...

Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked who carried out the attacks.”

[Daily Ummat (Karachi), 9/28/2001]


Note that this was published in the "local" newspaper - in my opinion a better source than some videotape found under a piece of goat's cheese in a shepherd's hut :)

Cheers.... Chris, Australia

Yeh he did, in a statement to al jazeera TV, heres the same story on CNN on the 17th sept 01.



http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

in Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)





DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.



Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

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