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antipodean - October 31, 2006 07:39 AM (GMT)
Pinched this from the old forum posted by scaffold rider,as it's so revealing.

"The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) (Social Security Death Index) is a privately-owned website that is not affiliated with Social Security. It boasts an accuracy rate of about 83% (e-mail them any questions you may have). Anyway, to check its reliability, I inputted the names of people I knew that had died in my family, along with friends and neighbors. Being a true skeptic, I had no way of knowing whether they were telling the truth or not. With the exception of a cousin, I found everyone I was looking for. (Be sure you have the person's true first name - they may not be listed by the state they last lived in, but can be found in the state where their social security number was issued.) By all means try it yourself.

Which brings us to the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund (also known as the Shut Up and Take the Money Fund), which most of you have heard about.

9-11 Victims Compensation Fund

This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)

At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.

The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.

Here are the results:

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one

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Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible to receive compensation? No, that's not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)

You should also know that most lawyers told their clients to take the money and run (which is what most lawyers would do - take the sure money). Ellen Mariani clearly elaborated on this point during her appearance on the radio show mentioned above.

Finally, during the past week, thanks to Lisa Guliani's insatiable quest for the truth, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report has come to light.

9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report

Oddly, but consistent with everything concerning 9-11, the actual complete list of the people who benefited has been omitted from this report. Even without this, it does contain an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money. The average payment was $1.8 million.

But here's where it gets strange. According to the government, here are the number of people who accepted the compensation fund:

Out of a total of 92 people on Flight 11, only 65 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 65 people on Flight 175, only 46 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
Out of a total of 64 people on Flight 77, only 33 accepted the 9-11 fund (52%)
Out of a total of 45 people on Flight 93, only 25 accepted the 9-11 fund (56%)


antipodean - November 25, 2006 10:42 PM (GMT)
The Official Victim List:

American Airlines Flight 11:
A Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane, carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots, crashed into a tower of New York's World Trade Center about 8:45 a.m. ET.

Crew:
• Barbara Arestegui, 38, Marstons Mills, Mass., flight attendant
• Jeffrey Collman, 41, Novato, Calif., flight attendant
• Sara Low, 28, Batesville, Ark., flight attendant
• Karen Martin, 40, Danvers, Mass., flight attendant
• Thomas McGuinness, 42, Portsmouth, N.H., first officer
• Kathleen Nicosia, flight attendant
• John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, Mass., captain
• Betty Ong, 45, Andover, Mass., flight attendant
• Jean Roger, 24, Longmeadow, Mass., flight attendant
• Dianne Snyder, 42, Westport, Mass., flight attendant
• Madeline Sweeney, 35, Acton, Mass., flight attendant

Passengers:
• Anna Williams Allison, 48, Stoneham, Mass., founder, A2 Software Solutions
• David Angell, 54, Pasadena, Calif., executive producer, NBC's ''Frasier''
• Lynn Angell, Pasadena, Calif.
• Seima Aoyama
• Myra Aronson, 52, Charlestown, Mass., press and analyst relations manager
• Christine Barbuto, 32, Brookline, Mass., TJX Co.
• Carolyn Beug, 48, Los Angeles, Calif.
• Kelly Booms, 24, Boston, Mass., PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Carol Bouchard, 43, Warwick, R.I., emergency room secretary, Kent County Hospital
• Neilie Casey, 32, Wellesley, Mass., TJX Co.
• Jeffrey Coombs, 42, Abington, Mass., security analyst, Compaq
• Tara Creamer, 30, Worcester, Mass.
• Thelma Cuccinello, 71, Wilmot, N.H.
• Patrick Currivan
• Brian Dale, 43, Warren, N.J.
• David DiMeglio, Wakefield, Mass.
• Donald Ditullio, 49, Peabody, Mass., Smith and Nephew
• Albert Dominguez, 65, Sydney, Australia
• Alex Filipov, 70, Concord, Mass., electrical engineer
• Carol Flyzik, 40, Plaistow, N.H.
• Paul Friedman
• Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, Brookline, Mass., John Hancock
• Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Mass., plant manager, Raytheon Co.
• Linda George, 27, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co.
• Edmund Glazer, 41, Los Angeles, Calif., chief financial officer, MRV Communications
• Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, Needham, Mass., TJX Co.
• Andrew Curry Green, 34, Los Angeles, Calif., director of business development, eLogic
• Paige Farley Hackel, 46, Newton, Mass., spiritual counselor
• Peter Hashem, 40, Tewksbury, Mass., salesman
• Robert Hayes, 37, Amesbury, Mass., sales engineer, Netstal
• Ted Hennessey, 35, Belmont, Mass., consultant
• John Hofer
• Cora Holland, 52, Sudbury, Mass., Sudbury Food Pantry at Our Lady of Fatima Church
• Nicholas Humber, 60, Newton, Mass., owner, Brae Burn Management
• John Jenkins, 45, Cambridge, Mass., corporate office services manager, Charles River Associates
• Charles Jones, 48, Bedford, Mass., computer programmer
• Robin Kaplan, 33, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co.
• Barbara Keating, 72, Palm Springs, Calif.
• David Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, N.H.
• Judy Larocque, 50, Framingham, Mass., founder and CEO, Market Perspectives
• N. Janis Lasden, 46, Peabody, Mass., General Electric
• Daniel John Lee, 34, Los Angeles, Calif.
• Daniel C. Lewin, 31, co-founder, Akamai Technologies
• Susan MacKay, 44, Westford, Mass., TJX Co.
• Chris Mello, 25, Boston, Mass., analyst
• Jeff Mladenik, 43, Hinsdale, Ill., interim president, E-Logic
• Antonio Montoya, 46, East Boston, Mass., housekeeping worker, Boston Harbor Hotel
• Carlos Montoya
• Laura Lee Morabito, 34, Framingham, Mass., national sales manager, Qantas Airways
• Mildred Naiman, Andover, Mass.
• Laurie Neira
• Renee Newell, 37, Cranston, R.I., customer service agent, American Airlines
• Jacqueline Norton, 60, Lubec, Maine, retiree
• Robert Norton, 82, Lubec, Maine, retiree
• Jane Orth, 49, Haverhill, Mass., retiree, Lucent Technologies
• Thomas Pecorelli, 31, Los Angeles, Calif., cameraman, Fox Sports and E! Entertainment Television
• Berry Berenson Perkins, 53, Wellfleet, Mass., actress and photographer
• Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, Dover, Mass., former ballet dancer
• David Retik, Needham, Mass.
• Philip Rosenzweig, Acton, Mass., executive, Sun Microsystems
• Richard Ross, 58, Newton, Mass., Ross Group
• Jessica Sachs, 22, Billerica, Mass., accountant, PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Rahma Salie, 28, Boston, Mass.
• Heather Smith, 30, Boston, Mass., Beacon Capital Partners
• Douglas Stone, 54, Dover, N.H.
• Xavier Suarez
• Michael Theodoridis, 32, Boston, Mass., consultant
• James Trentini, 65, Everett, Mass., retired teacher and assistant principal
• Mary Trentini, 67, Everett, Mass., retired secretary
• Pendyala Vamsikrishna, 30, Los Angeles, Calif., project manager for consulting firm, DTI
• Mary Wahlstrom, 75, Kaysville, Utah
• Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Mass., Raytheon Co.
• John Wenckus, 46, Torrance, Calif., tax consultant
• Candace Lee Williams, 20, Danbury, Conn., student
• Christopher Zarba, 47, Hopkinton, Mass., software engineer, Concord Communications

United Airlines Flight 175:
A Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. It crashed into the other tower of the World Trade Center shortly after 9 a.m.

Crew:
• Robert Fangman, 33, Claymont, Del., flight attendant
• Michael Horrocks, 38, Glen Mills, Pa., first officer
• Amy Jarret, 28, North Smithfield, R.I., flight attendant
• Amy King, 29, Stafford Springs, Conn.,flight attendant
• Kathryn LaBorie, flight attendant
• Alfred Marchand, 44, Alamogordo, N.M., flight attendant
• Victor J. Saracini, 51, Lower Makefield Township, Pa., captain
• Michael Tarrou, 38, Stafford Springs, Conn., flight attendant
• Alicia N. Titus, 28, San Francisco, flight attendant

Passengers:
• Alona Avraham, 30, Ashdod, Israel
• Garnet ''Ace'' Bailey, 53, Lynnfield, Mass., pro hockey scouting director, Los Angeles Kings
• Mark Bavis, 31, West Newton, Mass., pro hockey scout, Los Angeles Kings
• Graham Berkeley, 37, Wellesley, Mass.
• Touri Bolourchi, 69, Beverly Hills, Calif.
• Klaus Bothe, 31, chief of development, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
• Daniel Brandhorst, 42, Los Angeles, Calif., lawyer, PricewaterhouseCoopers
• David Brandhorst, 3, Los Angeles, Calif.
• John Cahill, 56, Wellesley, Mass., senior executive, Xerox
• Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, Turner Falls, Mass., computer research specialist, University of Massachusetts
• John ''Jay'' Corcoran, 44, Norwell, Mass., merchant marine
• Gloria de Barrera, 49, El Salvador, exporter
• Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, Long Beach, Calif.
• Lisa Frost, 22, Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., sales and marketing associate
• Ronald Gamboa, 33, Los Angeles, Calif., store manager, The Gap
• Lynn Goodchild, 25, Attleboro, Mass., Putnam Investments
• Francis Grogan, 76, Easton, Mass., priest, Holy Cross Church
• Carl Hammond, 37, Boston, Mass.
• Christine Hanson, 3, Groton, Mass.
• Peter Hanson, 32, Groton, Mass., software salesman
• Susan Hanson, 35, Groton, Mass., student
• Gerald F. Hardacre, 62, Carlsbad, Calif.
• Eric Hartono, 20, Boston, Mass.
• James E. Hayden, 47, Westford, Mass., chief financial officer, Netegrity Inc.
• Herbert Homer, 48, Milford, Mass., corporate executive, Raytheon Co.
• Robert Jalbert, 61, Swampscott, Mass., salesman
• Ralph Kershaw, 52, Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass., marine surveyor
• Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
• Brian Kinney, 29, Lowell, Mass., auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Robert LeBlanc, 70, Lee, N.H., professor emeritus of geography, University of New Hampshire
• Maclovio ''Joe'' Lopez Jr., 41, Norwalk, Calif.
• Marianne MacFarlane, 34, Revere, Mass., customer service representative,
• Louis Neil Mariani, 59, Derry, N.H.
• Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, New London, Conn.
• Ruth McCourt, 45, New London, Conn., founder, Clifford Classique
• Wolfgang Menzel, 60, personnel manager, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
• Shawn Nassaney, 25, Pawtucket, R.I., American Power Conversion
• Marie Pappalardo
• Patrick Quigley, 40, Wellesley, Mass., partner, PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Frederick Rimmele, Marblehead, Mass., physician
• James M. Roux, 43, Portland, Maine, lawyer
• Jesus Sanchez, 45, Hudson, Mass., off-duty flight attendant
• Kathleen Shearer, Dover, N.H.
• Robert Shearer, Dover, N.H.
• Jane Simpkin, 35, Wayland, Mass.
• Brian D. Sweeney, 38, Barnstable, Mass., business consultant
• Timothy Ward, 38, San Diego, Calif., information technology project manager, Rubio's Restaurants
• William Weems, 46, Marblehead, Mass., commercial producer

American Airlines Flight 77:
A Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots. It crashed into the Pentagon about 9:40 a.m.

Crew:
• Charles Burlingame, 51, Va., captain
• David Charlebois, Washington, D.C., first officer
• Michele Heidenberger, 57, Chevy Chase, Md., flight attendant
• Jennifer Lewis, 38, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant
• Kenneth Lewis, 49, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant
• Renee May, 39, Baltimore, flight attendant

Passengers:
• Paul Ambrose, 32, physician
• Yeneneh Betru, 35, Burbank, Calif., director of medical affairs, IPC
• MJ Booth
• Bernard Brown, 11, student, Leckie Elementary School (Washington)
• Suzanne Calley, 42, San Martin, Calif., Cisco Systems Inc.
• William E. Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, Md., physicist, U.S. Navy
• Sarah Clark, 65, Columbia, Md., sixth-grade teacher, Backus Middle School (Washington)
• Zandra Cooper, Annandale, Va.
• Asia Cottom, 11, student, Backus Middle School (Washington)
• James Debeuneure, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md., fifth-grade teacher, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
• Rodney Dickens, 11, student, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
• Eddie Dillard
• Charles Droz, 52, Springfield, Va., vice president for software development, EM Solutions Inc.
• Barbara G. Edwards, 58, Las Vegas, Nev., teacher, Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas
• Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, University Park, Md., research director, ECOlogic Corp.
• Dana Falkenberg, 3, University Park, Md.
• Zoe Falkenberg, 8, University Park, Md.
• James Joe Ferguson, 39, Washington, D.C., educational outreach director, National Geographic Society
• Darlene ''Dee'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.
• Wilson ''Bud'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va., retired Navy Admiral and pilot, American Airlines
• Richard P. Gabriel Sr., 54, Great Falls, Va., founder, Stratin Consulting
• Ian Gray, 55, Washington, D.C., healthcare consulting firm president
• Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif.
• Bryan Jack, 48, Alexandria, Va., senior executive, Defense Department
• Steven D. ''Jake'' Jacoby, 43, Alexandria, Va., chief operating officer, Metrocall Inc.
• Ann Judge, 49, Great Falls, Va., travel officer manager, National Geographic Society
• Chandler Keller, 29, El Segundo, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co.
• Yvonne Kennedy
• Norma Khan, 45, Reston, Va., nonprofit organization manager,
• Karen A. Kincaid, 40, lawyer, Wiley Rein & Fielding in Washington
• Dong Lee, 48, Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Co.
• Dora Menchaca, 45, Santa Monica, Calif., associate director of clinical research for biotech firm
• Christopher Newton, 38, Ashburn, Va., executive, WorkLife Benefits
• Barbara Olson, 45, TV commentator and lawyer
• Ruben Ornedo, 39, Los Angeles, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co.
• Robert Penniger, 63, Poway, Calif., electrical engineer, BAE Systems
• Robert R. Ploger III, 59, Annandale, Va., software architect, Lockheed Martin Corp.
• Lisa J. Raines, 42, Great Falls, Va., senior vice president, Genzyme Corp.
• Todd Reuben, 40, Potomac, Md., tax and business lawyer
• John Sammartino, 37, Annandale, Va., technical manager, XonTech Inc.
• Yang Shuyin, 61, Beijing, China
• Diane Simmons
• George Simmons
• Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, Santa Barbara, Calif., women's gymnastics coach, UC Santa Barbara
• Robert Speisman, 47, Irvington, N.Y., diamond industry salesman
• Norma Lang Steuerle, 54, Alexandria, Va.
• Hilda Taylor, sixth grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington
• Leonard Taylor, 44, Reston, Va., technical group manager, XonTech Inc.
• Sandra Teague, 31, physical therapist, Georgetown University Hospital
• Leslie A. Whittington, 45, University Park, Md., professor, Georgetown University
• John Yamnicky, 71, Waldorf, Md.
• Vicki Yancey, 44, Springfield, Va., Vredenburg
• Zheng Yuguang, 65, Beijing, China

United Airlines Flight 93:
A Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 37 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants. It crashed southeast of Pittsburgh around 10 a.m ET Tuesday.

Crew:
• Lorraine Bay, Hightstown, N.J., flight attendant
• Sandra Bradshaw, 38, Greensboro, N.C., flight attendant
• Jason Dahl, 43, Denver, captain
• Wanda Green, 49, Linden, N.J., flight attendant
• LeRoy Homer, 36, Marlton, N.J., first officer
• CeeCee Lyles, Fort Myers, Fla., flight attendant
• Deborah Welsh, 49, New York, N.Y., flight attendant

Passengers:
• Christian Adams, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German Wine Fund
• Todd Beamer, 32, of Cranbury, N.J., account manager, Oracle Corp.
• Alan Beaven, 48, Oakland, Calif., environmental lawyer
• Mark Bingham, 31, San Francisco, public relations firm owner
• Deora Bodley, 20, Santa Clara, Calif., university student
• Marion Britton, 53, assistant regional director, U.S. Census Bureau
• Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, San Ramon, Calif., senior executive of medical research company
• William Cashman
• Georgine Rose Corrigan, antiques and collectibles dealer
• Joseph Deluca
• Patrick Driscoll
• Edward Felt, 41, Matawan, N.J.
• Colleen Fraser, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey Developmental Disabilities Council
• Andrew Garcia, 62, Portola Valley, Calif.
• Jeremy Glick, 31, West Milford, N.J.
• Kristin Gould
• Lauren Grandcolas, 38, San Rafael, Calif., sales worker, Good Housekeeping magazine
• Donald F. Greene, 52, Greenwich, Conn.
• Linda Gronlund, 46, Warwick, N. Y., environmental compliance, BMW
• Richard Guadagno, 38, Eureka, Calif., Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge manager, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
• Toshiya Kuge, 20, Tokyo, Japan, student
• Hilda Marcin, 79, Budd Lake, N.J., retired teacher's aide
• Waleska Martinez, 37, automation specialist, U.S. Census Bureau
• Nicole Miller, 21, San Jose, student, West Valley College
• Louis J. Nacke, 42, New Hope, Pa., distribution center director, Key-Bee Toys
• Donald A. Peterson, 66, Spring Lake, N.J., retired president, Continental Electric Co.
• Jean Hoadley Peterson, 55, Spring Lake, N.J.
• Mark Rothenberg, Scotch Plains, N.J., owner, MDR Global Resources
• Christine Snyder, 32, Kailua, Hawaii, arborist, Outdoor Circle
• John Talignani, 72, Staten Island, N.Y., retired restaurant worker
• Honor Elizabeth Wainio, 27, Watchung, N.J., district manager, Discovery Channel stores


thehighwaymanq - November 28, 2006 09:11 PM (GMT)
there we go another goverment lie

good job!

Terrorcell - December 3, 2006 02:50 AM (GMT)
I find it hard to believe only 11 families were interested in receiving any type of compensation. Speculate, I am........

TomBombadillo - December 5, 2006 02:41 AM (GMT)
So why didn't they take the money?? IF it is true. Were they non existant? did the families sign secret agreements with the perpetrators of the crime. I would suspect maybe your facts aren't straight or they are involved in lawsuits with the airlines for more

IronSnot - December 14, 2006 10:38 PM (GMT)
It probably indicates some sort of unhappiness with the offer which although supposedly was up to 1.6 million, in reality most didn't get close to this.

And unhappy families leave avenues open for investigators.

I don't for a second think they wern't real or that they were all in on the plot.

Therm8 - January 2, 2007 11:31 AM (GMT)
There is a real opportunity for investigation here. Dig deep and turn over some stones with those names and real hard evidence should emerge.

antipodean - January 3, 2007 12:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Therm8 @ Jan 2 2007, 11:31 AM)
There is a real opportunity for investigation here. Dig deep and turn over some stones with those names and real hard evidence should emerge.


I recently met an ex Policeman who's a strong believer in the OCT, he used the "OK what happened to all the passengers" line, as his first line of defence refusing to go any further.

I've transferred this over from the old message board too, in case your interested.

Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11

Derrill Bodley, father of Deora Bodley, passenger on Flight 93

Maggie Cashman, wife of William Joseph Cashman, United Flight 93
Laurel A. Gay, sister of Peter A. Gay, AA Flight 11

Lori, Jerry, and Beatrice Guadagno, sister and parents of Richard Guadagno, Flight 93
John Keating, son of Barbara Keating, passenger on AA Flight 11

Natalee Pecorelli, sister of Thomas Pecorelli of Flight 11
David Yancey, husband of Vicki Yancey, American Airlines Flight 77

I've posted the above names for the convenience of anyone wanting to do some cross referencing
I think it would be safe to assume that the above people on board the planes actually existed, because their close relatives are signatories to the above petition.

PS Alan Beaven from flight 93 was an expat New Zealander, there have been a couple of pieces on TV about him, featuring his widowed wife.

look-up - January 23, 2007 10:10 PM (GMT)
this all seems strange, but i'm not sure what to make of it except that there should be a consistent 83% accuracy rate between normal deaths and those of 9/11.

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OohChit - February 11, 2007 07:22 AM (GMT)
So what would be, if any, the reason why so many of the passengers are not on the SSD Index?

antipodean - February 11, 2007 10:28 AM (GMT)
All I can think of are the 2 obvious reasons, some of them don't exist or they're not officially dead just missing.

Wibble - February 21, 2007 02:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (antipodean @ Feb 11 2007, 10:28 AM)
All I can think of are the 2 obvious reasons, some of them don't exist or they're not officially dead just missing.

Or they could all be using Lawyers to get more money.
Or the figures could be wrong.
Or they might not care about money, it wont bring their loved ones back.
Or they have all ready received such a bribe of the US Government a mere 1.6 Million $s is not worth the hassle.

Michal - February 25, 2007 04:04 PM (GMT)
Let us suppose that both versions are true, what would mean that only few people of each flight were genuine. The rest of the passengers were just “list fillers” – faked bodies.

Can someone establish if the people from beyond SSDI list are genuine?

antipodean - February 27, 2007 06:26 AM (GMT)
It's possible the 4 flights that day didn't exist, & they all boarded another aircraft different to what they had been booked on.

"As late as the fall of 2003, the BTS website provided accurate flight records of AA Flights 11 and 77, and United Airlines Flights 93 and 175, the four that were allegedly hijacked by incredibly lucky "suicidal Moslems". Flights are regularly cancelled when bookings are low, and if a domestic flight is still shown in computer reservation systems within seven calendar days of the scheduled departure, the law and regulations direct that it must be reported and listed as "cancelled" in the BTS database. Sometimes a dearth of passengers results in cancellation more than seven calendar days prior to the scheduled departure, in which case the non-existent flight does not need to be reported and is not listed in the records for that day.

The latter was the situation for two of the four "hijacked flights" on September 11, 2001 - AA Flight 11 and AA Flight 77. Their non-appearance in the official BTS website is evidence that both flights had been cancelled more than a week prior to 9/11. The BTS records continued to report this for more than two years, until several months after independent 9/11 researchers had discovered the anomaly in the fall of 2003. In 2004 the website's on-time delivery flight records section was shut down. By April 2005, a doctored version of the records had reappeared, with Flights 11 and 77 now included on 9/11/2001.

In the six years up to August 31, 2001, American Airlines Flight 11 cancellations had been running at 4.13%, i.e. an average of about 15 days per annum. It had been unscheduled 14 times, 0.64% of days or 2.333 times per annum. AA Flight 77 had seen 1.99% of its scheduled (a week prior to schedule) flights cancelled, with 43 cancellations in 6 years. It had been unscheduled 27 times, a rate of 1.23% or an annual average of 4.5 days.

Both flights had very recent cancellations. The last time AA 11 was shown as "cancelled", i.e. it was in the database because the cancellation was not at least a week in advance, was the previous Tuesday, September 4, and prior to that it was cancelled for Monday August 27, 2001. AA Flight 77 last cancelled on Wednesday, September 5, 2001, and before that the Saturday August 18, 2001 flight was cancelled. "

GOONIE2006 - March 4, 2007 07:49 AM (GMT)
;) we need to find out if the family's are filing they're own suits because I might not agree with the government's compensations.

OohChit - March 10, 2007 10:30 AM (GMT)
Has any of the "deceased passengers" of 77 or 93 been added to the SSDI since the first count?

How would adding/not adding a name to the ssdi effect a lawsuit? Wouldn't it be advisable to have that name on there? After all, you have to be dead to get enrolled.

This SSDI thing is truly a mystery. It would be nice if there would be an answer why so many are not on there.

antipodean - March 13, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
This site below gives informative insights into the backgrounds of the 9/11 passengers, & help's determine if any of the names are fake.

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/SearchResult.aspx?location=UA93

OohChit - March 14, 2007 08:59 PM (GMT)
On another thread, lookinaround said that the missing people on the SSDI has been debunked.
Does anyone have a link or info on this?
Is it because the survivors and relatives are still recieving ss benefits from the deceased?
These are the reasons for no-shows:
The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
A recent death may not be indexed yet.
Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled

Dazz - March 15, 2007 05:06 AM (GMT)
Oh please stop. They were real people and they have real relatives who mourns them. This sort of claims is outright sickening.

Captp371 - March 22, 2007 11:47 PM (GMT)
I received 40k from the Pentagon Compensation Fund................10% of what I should have received...............




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