Hello, my name is Iker, and I'm from Bilbao, in Basque Country.

I'm making a work about 9-11, and I have a doubt. Well, I have more than one, but I need to know one thing: what kind of telephone officialy used Betty Ong and the others? Cellular phones couldn't be, as we saw in Avery's documentary, but, what about the telephones of the airplanes? I think their name is Airfone. The passengers were able to talk with them?

Thanks. I hope all the criminals will be catched. Peace and Freedom.

Yes.

Primarily Airfones. Cell phone calls were made (Cell Phones were stronger back then, before fears of radiation, they were over a rural area, and more space between handoffs from tower to tower than in the LC cited test), but they didn't really last over a minute before getting dropped.

Thanks for your replays, but I don't understand the following: "Cell Phones were stronger back then, before fears of radiation".

But, in any case, we all agree that the cell phones were a fake, or not? I have read the article of A.K. Dewdney in Physics911.net, but still I don`t know how many cell phones calls officially were made from the planes.

Officially probably none, according to the official commission several.

The only way to really be sure about it is conformation from the providers, but since they are not allowed to pass private information, they won't give you this information.

A while back, people were worried that radiation from cell phones could give you cancer, so the phone companies made them weaker. This is one of many reasons the Cell Phone Tester from Loose Change had such a poor success rate, relative to United 93.

Okey, the cell phones in 2001 were stronger, but enough to contact? Many calls were very shorts, just seconds. The reason could be that. The passengers called but the conexion failled a few seconds later. It could be?

Thanks.

Well, one of the big issues with using cell phones on planes is that cell phone towers can do a "handoff" (switching from one tower to another, as you move further from the first and closer to the second) at 500 mph. But, over Philidelphian fields, the towers are much more spread out, so there's more time between handoffs. That's why the cell phone calls were able to last as long as a minute sometimes.

But yes, the cell phone connections failed pretty quick.

So the phone calls are real? And also the calls from the other planes? Thanks a lot.

No problem.

Well, I think Avery must rectify his documentary... He says that calls are fake...

could mobile fones work on planes at alitudes of 35,00 feet answer is no

But do take a look at this article of news.and dates

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/15/...C-SearchStories

And

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/09/29/bt.in...hone/index.html

Take particular notice of.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/15/...C-SearchStories

Where it states.

CBS Tech Analyst Larry Magid notes that neither laptops accessing the Internet nor a cell phone on airplanes communicate directly with the ground. The airplane would have to be equipped with its own satellite system that relays the calls or Internet connections to ground stations.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,121399-page,1/article.html

In-Flight Cell Phone Systems Gain Altitude
Systems for making cell phone calls on airplanes will be ready later this year, but regulatory hurdles remain.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/cell_air.html

In-Flight Cell Phone System
Survives Test Flight

http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/20...-aircells_x.htm

In-flight cell phones 'worked great' in test


NEWS & COLUMNS
Miracles and Wonders


http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news&columns/AlanCabal.cfm

cell fones dont work on irish flights at present but will soon

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/...?view=Eircomnet

Ryanair agrees OnAir deal for in-flight mobiles
From:ireland.com
Wednesday, 30th August, 2006


all facts no theory

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/15/...C-SearchStories

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/09/29/b...hone/index.html

To maintain a cell phone call. They kept loosing the connection, remember? The only reason they connected in the first place was because they were over a field with time between cell tower handoffs, remember?

Cell phones on planes were useless for real conversation, but under those circumstances, you could connect for a few seconds, maybe even a minute.

from ryanairs website about cell fones

RYANAIR ANNOUNCES IN FLIGHT MOBILE ACCESS FOR ALL PASSENGERS

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr...y=gen-en-300806

New venture with communications pioneer OnAir will enable Ryanair’s 42M passengers to keep in touch on all flights

INFLIGHT PHONE SEAT SALE 1M SEATS - DIAL £9.99!



Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline, and OnAir, the leading onboard passenger communications provider, today (30th Aug) announced a deal that will see Ryanair’s entire fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft fitted with OnAir’s onboard mobile communications solution. The announcement will make Ryanair the first European airline to offer Europe-wide mobile telephony services during flights across its entire fleet of aircraft to all passengers via their own mobile phones and smartphones.

The deal means that from mid 2007 (subject to relevant regulatory approval) Ryanair’s passengers will be able to call, text and e-mail using their mobile phones, BlackBerrys™ and Treos™ at rates which will mirror international roaming charges. OnAir intend to fit 50 Ryanair aircraft during the second half of 2007, with the remainder of the fleet receiving installations from early 2008 onwards. Mobile OnAir will be offered on all Ryanair flights across Ryanair’s network of more than 360 routes serving 23 countries across Europe. Ryanair will be the first European airline to offer this mobile telephony to all passengers on all of its 200 plus aircraft fleet.

Developed by inflight communications specialist OnAir, Mobile OnAir uses advanced lightweight onboard technology to allow passengers to make and receive calls, exchange SMS messages and connect to e-mail via satellite broadband links and a ground network to be supplied by OnAir’s telecoms infrastructure partner, Monaco Telecom.

OnAir’s solution allows mobile phone operators to charge passengers using Mobile OnAir at rates in line with current international roaming charges on passengers’ normal monthly bills. Ryanair will receive a commission from OnAir on call revenues generated by passengers on board its aircraft.

Announcing the new service initiative, Ryanair’s CEO Michael O’Leary said:

“This is another revolutionary passenger service initiative from Ryanair. In addition to offering our customers the lowest air fares and youngest fleet of aircraft, Ryanair will soon enable passengers to use their mobile phones and electronic communications devices in the air, just as they do on the ground. That means they will be able to pass on the good news to workmates, friends and family that they are travelling on another on-time flight with Europe’s most punctual airline.

“This is a win-win for Ryanair, OnAir and most importantly our customers. The revenues generated by onboard mobile telephony will reduce our costs and help us to keep offering the lowest fares in Europe while at the same time doubling the size of our operation over the next five years as we grow to carry 80M passengers annually by 2012. To celebrate this new service, we are offering 1M seats from the UK to Europe for just £9.99*. Passengers should dial up their low fare seats immediately on www.ryanair.com as fares this low will not last long”.

George Cooper, CEO of OnAir, added:

“We are delighted that Ryanair is to become the first carrier to install Mobile OnAir throughout its fleet. Not only is Ryanair one of the world’s most innovative airlines, but the deal is also a strong endorsement of the all round capability of our solution for both Boeing and Airbus aircraft”.

Connect != Maintain.

Besides, you can't make a cell phone call in a plane over a city, since there are more clustered towers that can't handle a handoff at 500mph. Flight 93 was flying over a field.

Cell phones on planes in 2001, over a field, was unreliable, but not impossible.

Having surreptitiously conducted a few tests of my own aboard several carriers while above Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Chicago, the strongest signal I’ve ever received has been 2-3 bars which disappears after I press "send". I've never been able to complete a call, and have every time received a call "call failed" message. Bear in mind that this is not even full cruising altitude. I try this on every other flight and to date have had no luck. Just for the record I've tested it with a Motorola V220 and older model purchased back in 2000.

With that said, there is always going to be controversy surrounding this issue. The only way to really put the phone calls (both cell phone and air phone) to bed would be to make an FOIA request for the billing records. If no billing records exist, or ever existed, then that would be the strongest proof the calls were fake. Arguing whether the calls were real or not due to the probability of a call going through is a little bit like my girlfriend arguing that I must have attempted to call her, simply because I was supposedly in an area of great cellular coverage, when in fact I didn't even have my phone switched on!

As far as I'm concerned the contents of the calls were ridiculous and/or contained many examples of temporizing. As these calls amounted to the flimsy evidence of "Arab looking men" and "boxcutters", the burden of proof is upon the US Government. Provide me the phone records of these calls and I'll retract my statements. Until then I'm inclined to believe the calls were fake. (no disrespect intended to the families, but these calls were indirectly responsible for America's monsterous foreign policy in the last 5 years, and so in this case hard evidence isn't too much to ask.)

Yes, but those are cities. More towers, faster handoffs.

Also, when did you do these tests? Remember, cell phone strength has been weakened since 9/11, due to fears of cancer.

Those are the most recent tests from flights I've been on but I've been doing it for about a year now. I noted that I've been testing it with both my current phone and an older Motorola purchased in 2000 for comparison.

Ideally I'd like to test it along the flight path of UA93 - If anyone will be so kind as to rent out a jet we'll take it from there :D

In this case, it would be a lot like your girlfriend receiving a call from you while you on board one of the hijacked planes and the both of you sharing an anguished exchange with one another in the moments before the call drops out. During those short moments, the both of you actually converse and, among other things, communicate your love for one another before the call drops out for the very last time and she hears the news that your plane has crashed, killing everyone on board.

Though saddened by your sudden and tragic death, she cherishes in her heart those final moments that the two of you shared together over the telephone, and, if nothing else, is glad that the two of you were able to say those last I-love-you's to each other before you died.

Then, years later, she comes across some 9/11 "truth" Web site which asserts that the calls she received from you, in fact, never took place. The author goes on to say...

So how do you suppose she'd be feeling at this point? How you you suppose any of the other family members (friends, loved ones) of the victims who received such calls are feeling?

In fact, you are taking a giant shit on the victims' families by suggesting that they didn't know they weren't talking to their loved ones over the telephone.

Or, at worse, you're implying that they are in on the government conspiracy.

You don't believe voice mimicry is possible in real-time? You're in for a rude awakening!

"Mom, this is Mark Bingham"? Who on earth calls their mother and uses their full name? I'm sorry, but I cannot accept that call was real - the caller was talking in the third person - show some initiative! His mother brushed it off due to him being flustered by the situation, but it's understandable how she would like to believe that she spoke to her son in his last hours. Self deception inevitably takes over.

You believe the calls were real? Then prove it! Show me the phone records... show me a single credit card authorization! If you can show me that I will leave the calls alone! I will not be swayed by emotionally manipulative propaganda written by Gravy, Mike Williams or anyone else! I want hard evidence!

Oh, and you'd wonder how my girlfriend would react to finding out a call i placed to her wasn't real? She wouldn't be at all surprised! In fact, she would most likely be out on the front line picketing against the government! She knows what lying deceitful scumbags they are.. and she wouldn't let them off the hook that easily!

I'm out here fighting on behalf of true heros like Willi Rodriguez and many of the others who saved numberous lives at ground zero - the very people who were lied to by the EPA being told that the air was safe to breathe.

Show me evidence that one can hold a back and forth conversation with a mimicked voice (to such an extent that the person on the receiving end of the line doesn't know that he/she is conversing with a fake). I'm not talking about a single word or phrase, but an entire back and forth exchange in which there is there is a recognized response.

You can't because it's total bullshit.

According to Bingham's family, such was not unusual.

Wow. That's gotta be one of the sickest things I've heard yet.

If there really was a government conspiracy to kill 3000 Americans, and if I was a co-conspirator in this atrocity, then every day I would get on my knees and give a prayer of thanks for the existence of those such as yourself. For as long as you have breath within your lungs sufficient to vibrate your vocal chords, and as long as there is blood pumping through your heart sufficient to wiggle your fingers across a keyboard, then I would know that I would never get caught as long as there were people like you on my trail, spouting your wild, unsupported theories for all to see.

By all means... go forth and try to convince as many Americans as you possibly can that Bingham's mom was self-deceived into thinking that she had a converasation with her own son.

Nah... I think I would rather let you stick your neck out even further.

No. I was wondering what her reaction would be to being told this.

He often referred to himself as such. It was a quirk of his, says his mom. I think she'd know.

Hold on, are you claiming that I'm inferring she was talking with a piece of software? That's absurd! She was speaking with a real person, but that person is invoking voice mimicry software to transform his/her waveforms into those of her son's voiceprint. Piece of cake! Leave your number - you may find I'll be proving this point sooner than you think.

If you were referring to this interview with his mother...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGlmraPnbV8

... then you're misinterpreting her words. She said he was a business man and that's how he normally addressed himself. That's perfectly normal. However, she never said that's how he addressed himself to her. That would be silly!

This is a completely irrelevant statement. I said that practicing self-deception is a part of human nature, especially when one is in the grieving process. I'm sorry for being honest, but I tell it straight up like it is.

I've already stuck my neck out on this one. The best an FOIA request has ever turned up on this has been a summary of the calls used as evidence in the Moussaoui trial. The alleged times, call durations, and numbers prove nothing without supporting documentation. i.e. the phone records. Furthermore, the 9/11 Commission were sourced as providing this information... so where are their sources? Bearing in mind this was the contrived whitewash who distorted, fabricated, and ommitted evidence to fit their pre-conceived conclusion. The credibilty of the commission as a source amounts to very little.

If she found this out I would hope she would be angry, and the direct this anger at the perps.

I won't be holding my breath.

Well, if you want a demo leve your number... like i said i'll be proving that sooner than you think.

Here's my number. 1-304-729-3539. Give me a call. Feel free to see if you can mimic my voice.

Emirates to debut mobile calls on planes
From:ireland.com
Wednesday, 8th November, 2006


Air passengers will be able to use their mobile phones on flights, in a deal announced today by Dubai-based airline Emirates.


The arrangement, with the Aeromobile, will also involve flight crews ensuring that phones are switched to text-only mode to prevent noise on overnight flights.

Emirates, whose flights includes services between London and Dubai, hopes to introduce the new facility in January 2007.

Passengers will be instructed and encouraged to switch phones to silent or vibrate-mode at all times throughout the flight. Up to five calls may be made at any one time, the same number as for the current in-seat phones used regularly by Emirates' passengers. Ryanair announced a couple of months ago that it planned to launch a similar service in mid-2007, subject to regulatory approval.

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/...?view=Eircomnet

I'm getting a headache.

Connect. Does not equal. Maintain.

@ momoka

marion brittons call at approx. 9:41 took place at an altitude of 37.000 feet and it lasted for approx. 4 minutes.

Tom Burnett called his wife at 9:27 at an altitude of 35.000 feet for at least 1 minute and 30 seconds.

the connection maintained, they spoke with each other.

The recipients said they had a clear connection all the time.

As far as I know there is only one study showing that cell phones would not work on planes and that was done by someone in the Truth Movement (not an unbiased source) . Many people spoke to their loved ones and did not notice anything that was unusal. Some of the calls were made from Airphones.

If it was done by imposters ask yourself why would they have said

Mom, this is Mark Bingham"?

As Beached says

If they were trying to fake the call they would have made it natural. The only logical explanation to me is he did say that often. I certainly don't believe if people were capable of carrying out as sophisticated an operation as this they would make the call appear fake.

If it was impossible to make these calls why haven't technicians who were for Motorola and other phone companies come forward to question this. Could you keep silent if you knew the government was making up something that is not possible? Especially if it meant allowing the coverup of the murder of 3000 innocent people.

One final question did Troy get his phone call yet.

well Project Achilles is the only source of data that deals with the issue and can be verified. I contacted every major german cellphone and airplane company. They told me that, as far as they are concerned calls were not possible, but couldnt give me a paper which deals with cellphone reception at great heights and speeds.
Funny thing, an administrator of "O2 Germany" told me that he doesnt know for sure but he believes that the calls were possible since "some victims of september 11th called their friends from the plane". :-)

I think we shouldnt exaggerate the meaning of the "Bingham thing". Sure it sounds staged but who knows...

The chances for the seven confirmed cellphonecalls are infinitesimal small, so the FDR or the calls are fake.
As far as i am concerned that can be ragarded as a fact since i didnt see any data yet that give phonecalls at a height of 37.000 feet (Britton) a higher chance.