At the end of the Flight 93 section on Final Cut, it showed a simulation of Flight 93 being shot down leaving a smoke trail down to the ground. What evidence is there that any plane around that area was shot down leaving a smoke trail down to the ground?

What evidence is there that a plane crashed there?

If you believe the government hypothetical, what is wrong with believing an alternate, more plausible hypothetical?

Not sure what you are getting at in your second part, however I don't believe a large plane crashed there.

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anyways, what I was typing is below:

The point I was making is that I don't think anybody really has a good idea of what happened there. I think we were lied to, and fresh from watching part of the pentacon film, I still don't know really what happened there.

Accepting what the government tells us is as easy in this case as accepting any theory to the events.

Substituting one untruth with another untruth is not a good thing to do in my opinion.

investigating either claim would be the proper place to start

Has anybody ever bothered to focus on the shootdown order?

There's a BIG difference between what the Commish states and what the media and men in charge on 9/11 said the year after 9/11.

A shoot-down order doesn't mean a shoot-down. We've all been led to believe in the shoot-down theory early on, however the evidence just doesn't support it other than very circumstantial evidence.

To me, neither scenario makes sense, which is why I try to stay away from conclusions about UA93 or AA77 for that matter.

A nosedive doesn't explain the missing plane and people.

A shootdown doesn't explain the perfect outline of a plane in the ground and large debris would've been scattered around.

My point is the it's a proven fact the Commish is lying about the shootdown order, about when it was communicated within the military, White House and to fighter pilots.

Next thing to ask is WHY are they lying about the shootdown order?

They are lying about it because they believe that American citizens would shit the bed if they found out we actually *did* shoot down one of those planes. To which I say GOOD! That's exactly what should have happened. When you know for a solid hour that there are still hijacked planes in the air, when you have evidence that they are intending on using said planes as a missile, you shoot the fuckers down.

What they don't realize is that most Americans will be more upset about being lied to, when they finally wake up and realize that's exactly what happened. We have been lied to.

It's much easier to present the story of heroes attempting to thwart the terrorist plans then the story of us shooting down the hijacked aircraft to "save lives on the ground" -Cheney.

In the flight 93 movie, They (norad) say that they do not have orders to intercept flight 93, BUT then somebody says " well somedoby better issue them (orders)".

95% of the plane recovered, remains of all people listed as passengers on flight 93 identified, personal effects of those same people found at the site, eyewitness accounts of the plane going down, ATC communications, phone calls, and an admission or three by those who were behind it.

I'll throw you one even better than that.

A&E's Flight 93 shows the military keeping tabs on the hijacked airliner.

BUT..........

At the end of Paul Greengrass' United 93, it reads, "Military commanders were not notified that United 93 had been hijacked until four minutes after it had crashed. The nearest fighter jets were 100 miles."

I saw this movie in the theatre and when this sentence came on the screen, in a crowded theatre, I couldn't help myself but to yell "BULLSHIT" for everybody to hear.

Bottom line, the 9/11 Commission is LYING about 2 facts...

A. The military was indeed tracking UA93 during its hijack
B. The shootdown order was communicated from the White House to NEADS to the fighter pilots scrambled to intercept BEFORE IT CRASHED.

PROVE IT.

here is the eye witness to flight 93 ... "Not much bigger than my van" hummm that sort narrows down the arsenal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPigIuzXKcA

anyone who says they know exactly what happened in that field and the skies nearby, and actually isn't part of the operation itself, is full of shit.

fact is, we have EVERY REASON to doubt the official story, due to countless contradictions in evidence.

I'd imagine that Loose Change shows the animation because they had one for the other sections of the film and didn't want the 93 section to be lacking in the graphics dept...

People forget that Loose Change is not TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENED, they are posing questions as to what happened, and challenging the establishment to answer those questions.

Nothing more.