This is the latest update from NIST.

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACmeetingDec18_2007.htm

The National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Advisory Committee (Committee), National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), will meet via teleconference Tuesday, December 18, 2007, from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. The meeting will be audio webcast so that the public may listen to the meeting as it takes place.

Strangely this portion,

"The primary purpose of this meeting is for the NCST Advisory Committee to discuss
its annual report to the Congress and for NIST to update the Committee
on the status of the investigation of World Trade Center 7. The agenda may
change to accommodate Committee business.

The final agenda will be posted on the NIST Web site at http://www.nist.gov/ncst."

Which was extracted from the JREF posting here;

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?pos...037#post3241037

is now missing from the NIST site.


MM

And apparently according to Kent1 on JREF, the NIST WTC7 Final Collapse Report will yet again be delayed.

He says it's now expected in early 2008.

Unbelievable or what.

MM

:ph43r: bring us a report that doesnt mention explosives
:unsure: we cant
:ph43r: dont say that just do it
:unsure: ummm we have to delay the report another 12 months

JREF : :) YAY!!!!!!

Take four years to prepare a report to explain the "collapse initiation" of two 110 story skyscrapers...X million dollars.

Prepare an explanation of the collapse of a 47 story skyscraper that defies 'explanation'...another X million dollars.

Take another 2 or 3 or 4 (whatever) years to publish the explanation...Priceless.

Does one get the sense that there is no concern about this professional expediency supplanted by a great deal of concern about political appeasement?

NIST has a report and no doubt have had it for years, but will continue to delay publication until it's politically acceptable.

The gun is smoking yet the system looks the other way.

The time is NOW people!

Let it go and you've said goodbye.

It's a FUBAR and Americans have elected to be spectators at their own funeral.

MM

That is only because most americans can't read and watch too much tv looking for entertainment and thought they were attending their... FunFer'al

I don't see why it is taking this long to work out WTC7 and I expect NIST could say anything about natural collapse and it would be accepted as the truth.

I read that the reason why investigative efforts were hampered in WTC1 & 2 was the rescue efforts. No rescue was necessary for WTC7 and it was cleaned up in record time. Even FEMA stated no deaths occured in WTC7, even though there was a witness that stated many people died in the lobby of WTC7.

Shouldn't regular arson type of investigative techniques have been used during the cleanup of WTC7?

Here's a good link for the NIST announcement:

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACmeetingDec18_2007.htm

and the PDF file they buried the notice in, after the Pasta from Italy notice.

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/FRNotice_NCSTAme..._Dec18_2007.pdf

Extraction from that PDF;
The primary purpose of this meeting is for the NCST Advisory Committee to
discuss its annual report to the Congress and for NIST to update the Committee
on the status of the investigation of World Trade Center 7. The meeting will
be conducted via teleconference with a live audio webcast. The final agenda
will be posted on the NIST Web site at http://www.nist.gov/ncst.

Individuals and representatives of organizations who would like to offer comments
and suggestions related to items on the Committee’s agenda for this meeting,
are invited to request a place on the agenda.
Approximately one-half hour will be reserved for public comments, and speaking times will be assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. The amount of time per speaker will be determined by the number of requests received, but is likely to be 5 minutes each.

Questions from the public will not be considered during this period.

Speakers who wish to expand upon their oral statements, those who had wished to speak but could not be accommodated on the agenda,
and those who were unable to attend in person are invited to submit written statements to:

The National Construction Safety Team
Advisory Committee, National Institute
of Standards and Technology, 100
Bureau Drive, MS 8611, Gaithersburg,
Maryland 20899–8611, via fax at (301)
975–6122, or electronically by e-mail to
ncstac@nist.gov.

Since the meeting will be held by teleconference, all those wishing to
speak must submit their request by e-mail to the attention of Mr. Stephen
Cauffman, cauffman@nist.gov by 5 p.m. EST on December 14, 2007. Instructions
on how and when to call in for the public comment period will be provided
to registered speakers by e-mail on December 17, 2007.
Dated: November 28, 2007.
Richard F. Kayser,

MM

because they know that in the end, all of the spin and numbers fixing and pre-determined collapse models, won't hold up to pure science and mathematics, and that thousands of engineers around the world will be looking at this particular report with a great deal of skepticism, even if some of those engineers don't think there was anything all too strange about the towers.

Building seven is a sore thumb, and the report with factual errors and illogical arguments, will stick out in much the same way.

They've got to play this very careful.


But we should be a little worried about this. Think about it. They keep delaying it, and there are no consequences. Before long, we might say that building seven, by not being published in a NIST report, was CERTAINLY a controlled demolition, since the best theory published to date, suggests that it is one, and no competing theory has officially been presented by NIST.

I fear that the forces behind this cover-up don't feel they need to give us an explanation, because their next 9/11 or another similar even will be coming soon, and it will destract us from investigating an attack that took place more than six years ago.

We should be prepared for that to happen. It's as if NIST knows they don't even need to bother putting out the report.

Where's the pressure on NIST to get on with it?

From the press? No.

From the Public? No.

From the government? Never!

MM

For wtc1,2 one could assume that a couple of upper stories drop, because of the damage caused by the plane and the fireproofing. Wtc7 even has no basis for a collapse, even no first order approach. If you calculate the energy needed to break a wtc7 story, or to be more precise the ratio mass/energy for a discrete model then you will find that wtc7 was much stronger than wt1,2.

Since some people say that the wtc7s construction is similar to that of wtc1,2 this looks like an unexpected result. But we should notice that this ratio is determined looking at the first movement in the wtc1,2 case and the total collapse for wtc7. Since wt1,2 first moved at the weakest stories that collapse energy is also determined for weakened stories. That would make the picture consistent. But
that does not explain the collapse of wtc7, there is no initial momentum/kinetic energy.

yea they wan't to call us conspiracy theorists, but they're feeding the fire of our theories by NOT telling us what the hell is going on!

if government were completely transparant (within reason) and media were always excited to get scandalous stories out, then we would seriuosly have no reason to think it was an inside job... but instead they won't even listen to our questions, let alone answer any of them.

hmm yea we're the crazy ones and all of this is just in our heads. then show us the fucking money! Prove we're crazy!

There's one big difference in the construction of WTC 7 and 1&2.

WTC 7 was built over an existing building and sat on top of cantilevered trusses that were between the 5th and 7th floors, the mechanical floors. The ones with the pressurized fuel lines that ran all around the 5th floor.

These cantilevered trusses made it easier to drop that building from the bottom, rather then in stages starting at the top, like they choose to do with the Twin Towers.

you are probably correct about that analysis, but I don't think they did seven differnetly BECAUSE of the difference in construction. IT was because they would have had no idea where the damage, if any, would be done from falling debris from the towers. instead of accidentally starting the sequence on the wrong floor, they just decided (apparently) to just drop the whole thing from the bottom and hope no one questioned it.

youtube wasn't as popular (if around at all I can't rememeber) and no one could have imagined the power of independent filmakers and talk show hosts getting the word out.

they litterally thought that Americans wouldn't even notice.

but we did ;)

World Trade Center 7 has always been the "smoking gun" and NIST most certainly well knows it.

Originally, the NIST WTC7 Collapse Report was supposed to be released as part of a complete body of research regarding the WTC collapses.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/
Draft NIST Report on the World Trade Center Investigation

NOTE: The NIST investigation of the WTC 7 building collapse is not yet complete. The report on the WTC 7 collapse investigation will be released in draft form for public comment and posted on this web site as soon as it is available. Last updated: April 6 2004

"The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report."

"In June 2004, the team shifted to full-time study of the towers to develop needed simulation methods and other research tools and to expedite completion of the WTC towers report. Work resumed on the WTC 7 study in October 2005."

https://jeffersonflanders.wordpress.com/200...report-release/
The National Institute of Standards and Technology now says that its draft report on the World Trade Center Building 7 collapse (officially entitled "WTC 7 Structural Analysis and Collapse Hypotheses") will be released for public comment this fall. When I contacted the NIST press office this week, they told me that NIST plans to issue its final WTC report by the end of 2006.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_062907.html
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
June 29, 2007
"A team of scientists and engineers at the Commerce Department's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that is investigating the collapse of New York City's World Trade Center 7 (WTC 7) building expects to release its draft report for public comment by the end of the year 2007."

"This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements."

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACmeetingDec18_2007.htm
NIST to update the Committee on the status of the investigation of
World Trade Center 7.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?pos...746#post3241746
The report is not finished. Id expect it sometime early next year, 2008...Kent1

MM

Yeah kinda like the ones in charge are overseeing their own due date waiting for another event to happen and perhaps we will all forget due to the severity of what future event may happen.

The thing I find strange about the fuel line is the fuel pumps would actually have pressure regulators on them. I worked at a company that built water purification systems and their pressurized models had a pressure gauge at the pumps to tell the pump that it was alright to turn on and make water. If no pressure was present the pump would burn out so its purpose was to detect low or no pressure and shut off the switch to the pump. I could imagine a 12,000 gallon setup would have one on the supply line and one at the diesel engine. This is a very simplistic safety precaution and I would venture to say there was something similar installed on the backup generators. Possibly sabotaged?

I think the 1993 WTC was a trial run in a sense. First to see how much damage a certain amount of explosives would do in a particular place. Made it so much easier to do the calculations for the big one on 9/11.

Second, to give the planners the excuse they needed to do extensive renovations to the entire complex and the mechanical systems. It also gave them an excuse to build Rudy's OEM bunker.

If you look at the renovations that were done at the the complex after 1993, a lot of the work that was done could have had a dual purpose, like the pressurized fuel lines on the 5th floor in WTC 7. Supposedly, this system was installed to provide fuel to all of the day tanks and larger tanks that were housed on the 5th floor and throughout the building on the floors above. These lines ran directly UNDER the trusses. Now let's say instead of turning everything off and shutting down the mechanical systems after the planes hit, the perps went around turning these systems on instead, or redirected the fuel and energy these systems provided to specific places, you wouldn't need to 'wire' anything.

you may be on to something there DoYouEverWonder...

the 93 bombing could have been an excuse to rigg the buildings, and it could have also been used to set the stage for more islamic terror in the US, meaning that when 9/11 happened, it would be more conceivable for Americans to think "yea muslims probably did it".

but we already know that the 93 perps were in regular contact with FBI agents...