lets compile a list of people who saw a jet plane hit the pentagon
we can chip in and take out an ad in the washington post and conduct interviews

one dollar from each loose change member to place the ad

i am in and i am betting we wont get too many witnesses

dylan if your reading this, what do you think ??

sorry im not avery, but wanted to add my 2cents...

u dont need to pay or use the post, just post in craigslist for free:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/

covers dc md and va ( u could post it in the free classifieds or in the "rants and raves" section). but dont hold ur breath while in wait for responses. i think there's one factor u may be taking for granted: by now anyone who may have seen something other than the "official flight", may not be very open to publically contradicting it. the local arlington area is made up of mostly government and defense industry workers, as well as a substantial population of armed forces personnel. most of these people have either a direct vested interest in keeping their jobs and/or their privacy. some of these people even work directly for companies that have a vested interest in perpetuating the alqueda boogeyman fiction. so if they havent yet spoken out, i dont see what would compel them to do so now.

im not saying u wont get responses, but i find it unlikely. once u post such an ad (wether in the post or craigslist or anywhere else locally), u will be on "their" radar. so even if u do get responses, u'll have to weed out the possibly false witnesses who might get thrown ur way.

it might be worth a try, tho (imo) it isnt necessarily going to give u any concrete answers. but at least it might get u some new questions, so its definitely worth a try.

i am sure if 100 or so loose change members posted in a respected publication, we could avoid the sabotage expected if one person posted on craigslist,dont you think ???

im having trouble understanding you, please clarify what you mean. i was saying that regardless of where you post an ad for witnesses to come forth, i doubt you will get many answers to pending questions, not necessarily that u wont get responses.

i doubt that the perps will bother to send false witnesses ur way, its just one of the possibilities. but it seems to me thats its smarter for the perps and watchdogs to simply keep an eye on ur progress with would-be witnesses, rather than mess with directly trying to mislead you.


on the other hand, i was tossing out the potential for people to question the validity of the witnesses you present, even if u post an ad and witnesses DO come to you. i mentioned it because if u look for instance at the CIT pentagon investigation, they found witnesses and got some answers, all on camera at the necessary locations. but in spite of those witnesses and their onlocation testimony, a ton of arguments still continue.

so i was saying that even when u do find witnesses, and even if they corroborate the occurrence of certain events and/or disspell others, skeptics will still find a way to not consider the information valid or substantial, and many doubts will continue to linger in dissonant minds. so u can post an ad anywhere u want, get results, and still find urself accused of misinterpretation and/or wrongdoing & misrepresentation.

but while away i was thinking about how to accurately help u gauge the level of local silence here i arlington, and then it hit me. look at this forum and any other 911 related forum and tell me how many posters have u found that claim to be from arlington? im not saying they dont exist, but how many have openly come out and mentioned it in the 911 world? i honestly dont know of a single one. so if u take the world of internet 911 research as a sample cross section of the population, you see that less than 1 percent openly admit that they're residents of arlington, nor do they contribute any local testimony to the online community that would be substantive to the fact finding missions of researchers. so in the cyber realm at least, the arlingtonians are fairly silent.


if u find the money and the other willing members maybe u can eventually do the paid posting. but if u have no qualms with doing it, i still think u should start with a free posting in craigslist and see what kind of response u get.

its my thread...i think you need to clarify..my post is clear..""collective ad ""by 100 or so loose change members in a ""national publication"" seeking witnesses to the pentagon plane crash...i cant really understand what you are trying to say.......all investigations produce bad or lieing witnesses,thats part of doing an investigation.....and you went from the Washington Post,the paper that uncovered Watergate to.....craigslist?!?!

dude i was worried that it would come across wrong, we can fight if u want, but asking for clarification is not an insult or a provocation. i was only trying to offer u some insight into things, taking an interest in YOUR thread (where few others have), so no need to get so defensive. i didnt mean anything bad, i was just saying i was confused by what u proposed when u mentioned the 100 posters. i wasnt sure if u were saying they could take out 100 ads, or to try and buy one big page on the post. but thanks for clarifying that part, at least somewhat.

as far as where to post it, i know which one will get u more results. the washpost might make some big noise, but its not what locals are paying attention to. i used to deliver the post and i can tell u locally its readership is crap, they are losing money on their printed papers, as was i delivering it, so i stopped. big whigs might read it, but joepublic doesnt. joepublic uses craigslist around here. ITS FREE, and its accessible. compare its classified section to any daily or weekend classifieds of the post and you'll see what i mean. like i said if u wanna pull a publicity stunt and buy a big page like some of the major lobbies around here do, go for it. but the more mass-attention it grabs, the more likely it will be to scare potential witnesses away.

speaking of which, i was making a semantical argument when saying that finding witnesses does not necessarily equal problem solved. i gave an example to cite that even real witnesses, in the flesh, speaking their minds and memories, get accused of shillery, disinfo, mis-memory, biased/motivated memory, etc. when people want to remain skeptical.

BUT i did say you SHOULD DO IT, not dont do it. so take it easy man. i sincerely would be interested in the responses u get. i would do it myself, believe me i have thought of it for a long time, but i FEAR doing it. i live right here, smack dab in the middle of spook/military central. i dont wanna have my ip recorded in a request for witnesses of 911 cuz then im messing with them directly. its one thing to sit here and have opinions and suspicions, its another to sign ur name to doing and actual investigation, where u are willing to disclose urself publically.


and you would have to be very public and open about who you are, or chances are people wouldnt trust you enough to open up to you. think about it, i see an ad locally for 911 witnesses. my first thought is, who the fuck is this? are the perps trying to find any and all witnesses to make sure they keep them quiet? or is the request coming from someone i cant trust? lets say it comes from someone who is trying t get the TRUTH out to the masses. thats a great cause, but is my involvement going to put me at risk? sure the researchers and the truth find what they need, but after they are gone and my name is plastered all over the net, who is gonna look out for my best interest? who is gonna protect me? what if i know too much? is it really that smart of me to go against the "bad guys"?

so i wouldnt open up to you, until you opened up to me. i would have to find some way to see if could really trust you before i disclose anything i witnessed. so me personally, im not willing to be that open, so i wont post the ad in craigslist. you on the other hand, nothing's holding u back, so go for it. post one ad in the classifieds under WANTED, and then one in the Rants and Raves section. u would do well to familiarize yourself with the rantsraves section for it is the most up to the minute view of what office workers in dc are busy talking about, especially during (9-5) work hours. these people cant pull out the post and read at work, but they spend all day chit chatting about all kinds of local and national shit all day at their computers, while at work. so craigslist is imo the best way to reach people here. the only other best way is to come here locally and post signs and/or handout flyers or openly solicit people's accounts of that day.


anyway, i wanted you to see this (thanks Dmole from p4t) link- it is an official example of what i mentioned earlier about people being silent around here, and why they are so silent:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/339...eillance16.html

(*boeing is located directly across from the pentagon with all the other big boys like lockheed, saic, northrop, etc.)



peace.