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Title: Basement Explosion Evidence


amtrak3 - December 4, 2007 03:16 AM (GMT)
09:08

George Shay

"I was in a car driving up, I had just gotten out of Battery Tunnel driving north on West Street, when an enormous explosion happened, and , I mean it was larger than a construction explosion, I looked out the window, and what appeared to be an enormous tire, um, smashed to the ground and I beleive it hit the car, to the right of me, and it was so scary, and there was also a ton of debris fall, and um, I jumped out of the car and I ran south away from the building because I thought it was, there were going to be further explosions."

"A man next to me was actually hit by a piece of debris in his arm, and they said that someone had been badly hurt, um, in a car ahead of me, I'm not certain if it was the car next to me, I can't verify that, all I can say is that, alot of debris was falling and it was very confusing because everybody immediately I think had assumed that a bomb had exploded, and that sort of, uh, pretty, you know, had people thinking that further bombs may explode, so there was a sort of a rush away."

"I heard two explosions, however. There was a first explosion that was louder, and then there was a second explosion, and, um, I could not see that, and when I looked up, I saw debris falling, and a tire as I said, a very large tire."

http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110831-0912

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chucksheen - December 4, 2007 04:35 AM (GMT)
Thanks.

abcd - December 4, 2007 09:30 AM (GMT)
I saw a video - I dont remember properly but there were these 2 eyewitnesses (2 ladies) who were in the subway trains - they said they saw smoke coming out of the subway train tunnel and I think they also said they heard an explosion which was entering couple of stations the WTC at the basement. I think it was some news video, cant remember.

(Just thought it might help for anyone researching)

Swing Dangler - December 4, 2007 01:27 PM (GMT)
Here is a nice account of a family member of the President being evacuated from the subway because of what happened in the basement area. More accounts of what happened can be found here: Do The Orders Still Stand

7. Marvin Bush, Brother of George W. Bush
a. Location: subway on the way to a meeting
b. Subway train comes to a stop, no idea what happened.
c. They were evacuated, single-file, onto a platform, and then out of the subway. No mention of where they were evacuated.
d. Marvin said there were smoke and debris everywhere and was told to get out of there.
Brief Summary: Subway comes to a halt and is evacuated. It is unclear if the smoke and debris is in the subway or outside the subway. I'm lead to believe it was in the subway based upon the comment...'they were "told" to get out of there'. The smoke he refers to if from the North Tower impact zone would not be everywhere but 100 plus stories high. The debris could have come from the impact but we are not told where Marvin exited the subway. However, the PA transcript below does report a cave-in which would be consistent with debris in the subway. I included this information as it supports the calls about the PATH trains that were disrupted as a result of the detonation of the explosive device. It is highly unlikely that Marvin exited on the PATH Plaza Platform that suffered the cave-in.
Source: Reflections: Life After The White House, by Barbara Bush

5. PAPD Officer 33 responding to a Cave in at B-4
a. Location: Traveling to sub-level B-4, WTC North Tower
b. “Myself and (inaudible) to the Trade Center responding with scott packs to the B-4 Level. There’s a report of a cave-in and people trapped.”
c. PAPD Desk-“Roger, three three and eight-two Houston, World Trade responding B-4 level on a report of a cave in.
d. Officer 33- “There’s also been a cave-in at the platform of the PATH plaza…there’s a live electrical, and water running. Turn off the power in that area.
e. PAPD Desk reports to other responders-“Three-three is reporting that
there is a cave in, B-4 level, at the World Trade Center, copy? A possibility of people trapped."
Brief Summary: Again not only is a fire not reported, not only that no fireball is described. Officer 33 is responding to the damage that occurred after the explosive device was detonated. This account is perhaps highlights largest amount of structural damage in the sub-levels recorded by the police. What is described is actually two cave-ins, one at B-4 level and one at the PATH plaza platform. You should be asking yourself, how NIST concluded an unreported fireball caused a cave in at B-4 and the PATH subway plaza platform.
Port Authority Transcript
Source: www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-transcript010.pdf
Do The Orders Still Stand

DoYouEverWonder - December 5, 2007 03:35 AM (GMT)
user posted image

A picture of the WTC Plaza after the crashes but before the first collapse.

No way to know what's causing the fire behind the stage? Could be from something burning that caught fire on the ground, or the smoke from a sublevel explosion.


Gideon524 - December 5, 2007 03:46 AM (GMT)
Interesting.




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