I am just watching a documentary called The Untold Story of Flight 93- A Portrait of courage. Mine is one with 100 minutes of extras so if anyone else has a copy not the same, the part I am mentioning may not be at same point. But about 9 minutes into mine it says "At 9:27 AM Tom Burnett placed his first phone call to his wife, Deena". She states Tom told her the flight was being hijacked. This is interesting because I just saw on the same DVD 5 minutes into it they said the 9/11 commission report says flight 93 hijacked at 9:28 AM, and even at 9:26 AM the pilot on flight 93 was sending a message to ground control asking them to confirm there 9:23 AM message saying "Beware cockpit intrusion, two aircraft hit wtc". So are we supposed to believe that at 9:26 AM this flight was flying as normal. Then at 9:27 AM it had been taken over already. In a minute the hijackers had control of the plane. But the times dont match at all. Because how could Tom Burnetts call have been placed at 9:27 if flight was not hijacked until 9:28.
Just thought this was interesting.

Ben

Hmmm....

Interesting.

Thanks!

Here is a source that puts the last normal transmission at 9:25.

However, this still leaves a very short time window for the plane to get hijacked and Burnett to make his call. Remember, he told Deena, " the plane has been hijacked..."

It is also very interesting that a similar situation may have occurred on AAL11, where stewardess Amy Sweeney seems to be reporting a cockpit storming in progress several minutes after the plane's transponder had been turned off.

Consider this possible scenario. On UAL93 the plane had indeed been hijacked when Burnett said it had been. The transmissions made from the cockpit around that time, such as the "normal" communications with ATC, as well as the "Mayday! Mayday!" and "Get outta here," were made by the hijackers themselves, who had already dispatched the pilots with the guns-- that Burnett specifically mentions they had-- and were in control of the cockpit when Werth gave them the traffic at 37,000 feet.

Remember, the hijackers may not have been Arabs at all. They may have had perfect English. The above scenario therefore explains why the ATC transmissions from the plane-- which all would have been recorded by Cleveland Center-- have never been released to the pulbic. If they had, the families of Jason Dahl or Leroy Homer, the pilots of UAL93, would be able to identify if it was really one of their voices making those transmissions.

What you don't hear much about is that the pilots of UA93, after getting the message, "Beware: Cockpit Intrusion. Two Aircraft Hit World Trade Center"...the pilots responded, "CONFIRMED"

Then they got hijacked.

So, the 4th plane of the day to get hijacked gets a cockpit intrusion warning, types back "confirmed", and still manages to lose their plane to 4 hijackers before being able to squawk 7500(universal hijack code) to the ground?

I call bullshit!

The UA93 warning is confirmed in this news story that aired on 9/11/02 in which the 9/11 ATCs were interviewed...

Start watching it from the 30min, 45sec. mark to learn about the warning UA93 received before its hijack.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...post&p=14628118

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that 13 minutes later, not 3?

Did I overlook something? :blink:

See: "Transcript of Tom’s last calls to Deena":

http://www.tomburnettfoundation.org/tombur...transcript.html

David Ray Griffin signaled another important fact, see:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11831

Quote:

"Stronger evidence that the alleged cell phone calls were faked: The most famous of these were the four calls that Deena Burnett reported receiving from her husband, Tom Burnett. She knows that they came from his cell phone, she said, because she saw his Caller ID number. According to the FBI’s report at the Moussaoui trial, however, there were only two cell phone calls from United 93, and they were made at 9:58, shortly before the plane crashed, when it was down to 5,000 feet. The FBI refused to support, therefore, the claim (e.g., by Popular Mechanics) that high-altitude cell phone calls were possible in 2001. Deena Burnett must have been duped.."

And:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11930

Quotes:

"Casting Doubt on Deena Burnett’s Statement Kornkven next says: “Griffin believes the calls were made by cell phones because Deena supposedly said she looked at the caller ID.” But I do not believe the calls were “made by cell phones.” The issue is what Deena Burnett believed and why she believed it. She said the calls were made from her husband’s cell phone because she recognized his cell phone number on her phone’s caller ID. Kornkven seeks to cast doubt on this by saying: “Deena supposedly said she looked at the caller ID.” Why “supposedly”? As I have pointed out in the revised edition of D9D, she has been quoted as saying this.[6] Also, as I pointed out in a recent article,[7] she has stated this in a book that she published in 2006 (“I looked at the caller ID and indeed it was Tom’s cell phone number”).[8]"

"Faking the Caller ID

Kornkven, continuing to imply that my scenario is implausible, next says: “So the perpetrators . . . were able to make the call seem to come from Tom’s own cell phone–-did they pickpocket his cell phone before the flight, and the phones of various others?”

Had Kornkven consulted my D9D, he would have seen that I had reported an advertisement for a device called “FoneFaker.” After the description, which says, “Call Recorder and Voice Changer Service with Caller ID Spoofing,” the ad states: “Record any call you make, fake your Caller ID and change your voice, all with one service you can use from any phone.”[9] No pickpocketing would have been necessary."

I would love to speak with Deena. She said her husband told her the hijackers had guns.

The answer to your question is that, according to the evidence presented by the government in the Moussaoi trial, Burnett's first call was made at 9:30:32, not at 9:27.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/planes/evi...omasBurnett.jpg

The government has also released the transcripts-- not the audio-- of the transmissions from the UAL93 cockpit to air traffic control:

So the last normal transmission from the cockpit was at 9:27:30, three minutes before Burnett made his call. Although, we might wonder, was this last "normal" transmission made by one of the pilots, or by one of the hijackers after he had put a bullet through both their heads with the gun witnessed by Burnett?

Another curiosity. The "pilot" says "mayday...get out of here" into a keyed microphone at 9:28:16. Thirty-two seconds later, he keys the mike again and says "get out of here...get out of here." Doesn't that sequence seem a little odd? Wouldn't he have said something to ATC the second time, like Mayday! or We're being hijacked! instead of saying "get out of here" again to the hijackers?

Or was this transmission, again, a phony one being made by the hijacker, to feign a cockpit struggle, when the pilots had in actuality already been shot dead?

If that is the case, it explains why the government will not release the audio of the transmissions. We could hear if this was really the voice of Homer or Dahl.... or someone else.

Is this another 3-minutes-discrepancy or the same?

You can download the Flight 93 - Presentation here and even listen to the pilots audio (screaming).

I was not able to open the file. Anyone have advice on how to do that with a PC?

I went to the link and this is part of what it said:

Nowhere does it list transmissions from the cockpit. Are you sure that the pilots screaming is from a transmission from the cockpit to ATC? Or is it from the Cockpit Voice Recorder? And since when were any of the phone calls from UAL93 recorded?

I am burning with curiosity to examine this evidence exhibit, so if someone could explain how to do it with my computer, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I would like you to substantiate this statement. I was finally able to go through the presentation, and found no "pilots screaming" whatsoever, nor any cockpit transmissions for that matter either.

Go to Ziad Jarrah - Hijacker Audio - click button of the two audio files(9:28:17 and 9:28:50).

Sorry I haven't read all the responses, so this may have been mentioned (hopefully SOMEONE noticed it), but Tom Burnett's first call took place at 9:30:32 and lasted 28 seconds. It's likely he had to hang up quickly. You'll often see TV shows make mistakes - some show the time of the Pentagon being hit by 5 minutes off. It doesn't mean they're trying to cover up anything or whatever you may believe... it's just a TV show, not the best place to get your research from.