Wow is this a really SCARY and GOOD video!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XaxdUPNYj2s

Hope Chris sarns watches this - Kucinich has NOTHING to offer but U.N. control over the United States. -

He's got some spot on positions on the economy and the war.

I agree with most but not all his ideas.

As for the UN.

We live in a global community and a place where we can all come together and talk about our mutual problems is essential.

It will always be somewhat dysfunctional. Reform is a never ending process.

We could demand a precise accounting for every dollar of ours that is spent and provide the accountants to keep the books which should be open to the public at all times.

The fear mongering that we will loose our sovereignty is rubbish.



BTW: your sig is overblown and the "It doesn't take a village ..........
is gross, inappropriate and i have a copy on my wall .... LMAO

Gawd, you yanks are so fucking afraid of the S-word! You have yet to see a true Socialist regime! Not all Fascism looks like Hitler, and all Socialism does not resemble Stalin!

This is your biggest hangup, and one which shows again and again the level of mind control you are suffering under. "We're free! We're free!"

Duck and cover!

There is such a thing as taking the good and chucking the bad! It is done all the time and is also an ongoing process, like reformation.

Like the birds and the bees, there comes a time when many parents tell their kids about another astonishing fact - there are still places in the world that consider themselves advanced where you are quite simply fucked when you are injured or sick.

Ahhhh, it all finally floats to the surface. You're just another lefty Marxist parading as a "truther".

We have and currently are. Only a lefty Marxist apologist would assert otherwise...

Very fitting.

For good reason. You Brits are so brainwash by it, its disgusting.

But we've seen what happens when idiots try to create one. Stop pretending you know how implement one without killing people.

No, but regardless of how you try to make excuses for it, it still stinks.

See? Could you be ANY MORE elitist?

And where is that? Please, do tell us. <_<

Commies get curb checks

Foreign morons ...more brainwashed than right 'chear' in the USA. Unreal!

If we go down THEY GO DOWN! - We (Constitution) are the only thing holding back the NWO from completing HORRIBLE DEEDS TO THE WORLD.

"told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... told ya so ... "

Chris Sarns
"We live in a global community and a place where we can all come together and talk about our mutual problems is essential.
The UN will always be somewhat dysfunctional. Reform is a never ending process.
We could demand a precise accounting for every dollar of ours that is spent and provide the accountants to keep the books which should be open to the public at all times."

Roxdog
"Ahhhh, it all finally floats to the surface. You're just another lefty Marxist parading as a "truther". "

Take your "lefty Marxist apologist" and shove it!
Your childish insult toward anyone who disagrees with you on this subject is pathetic.
You have nothing of value to offer on the message, so you attack the messenger.

Ron Paul will "throw the baby out wilt the bathwater" by quiting the UN and NATO.
That's an isolationist policy and it is a bad policy imo.

Chris Sarns
"The fear mongering that we will loose our sovereignty is rubbish."
Roxdog
"We have and currently are. Only a lefty Marxist apologist would assert otherwise..."

Can you site an example of how we are loosing our sovereignty?

COPYCAT. you're stealing my line whenever addressing you, which is

"HOW'S IT FLOAT ?" instead of answering me once, you use my line...

kyou must be pretty desperate for original material.

Um,what? I have not and never will "copy" you. Run along.

I'm sorry - I must have missed something here.

I live in a house with my family .... do you live on the streets or something?

Global? - do you let the Chinese in for dinner or what? - I'm confused here.

Just wait until they set their sites on the galaxy. Then, it will be that we live in a universal community, and all of us aliens and humans must learn to live under the same government as well.

That will of course be a communistic universal government that all humans and aliens must adhere to for our own good since "the government" knows what is best for everyone else including all yet to be discovered aliens.

When that happens, I want my own damn spaceship to find another f-ing universe!

:ph43r:

Disclaimer: I don't believe that UFO aliens from another planet are currently visiting Earth. I was just trying to illustrate a point.

EDIT: Anyways, screw the U.N.

I can't believe anyone here would actually defend the U.N.!

If you take this position, please study how and why the UN was started. You may change your mind.

Google "Codex Alimentarious". Watch video. Report back wiser.

Nice video with Paul Critical Thinker. Enjoyed it very much!

As I.

I think I'm becoming a Ron Paul supporter.

help?

Oh no! Quickly turn on Fox and CNN.

and don't forget to say your hail marys

Oh God ! NOOOO! .... Spit the pill out - QUICKLY and call Federal Poison Control for instructions ...

Better yet - read Arbor's postings 100 times a day for 10 days or until vomit approaches.

you people seem like the jews lynching jesus .. as the story goes. seems some of you cant see past the 9/11 issue. so what if he doesnt speak out about what happened on that specific day. what he's saying about dozens of other things are the truth. but i guess that doesnt matter right? if they're not a truther they're not worth shit then eh?

I don't see Socialism as being paritcularly active in the u.s.

Admittedly there are a few Socialist "fronts" like alleged health care to present an image of caring about the people, but the government itself is fascist/capitalistic. If there's a way of making a quick buck, stealing five cents from a blind man is perfectly acceptable.

I agree with Fulcanelli. If Ron Paul openly declares there will be no new investigation, you would still be absolute fools not to elect him!

The only negative about Ron Paul's positions to me is that they sound good, but will hurt worse than you can imagine to implement. Changing to a gold standard and abolishing the FED alone will come close to killing the patient.

Sadly, I don't think Paul has a hope in hell of being picked to run. If they somehow, impossibly pick him, he will die before he is elected. If he is elected, he will certainly be the next President to be assassinated. His policies are anathema to those who run the World and he will be in constant danger from his own security people!

He has the biggest balls on the planet, given that he certainly knows this and yet continues. At the very least he is altering the consciousness and changing the debate across the board, so even if he doesn't win he will have performed a valuable service to America.

As to the comments of those outside your glass house, America, deal with it. We have as much, as you eloquently point out ad nauseum, to lose in this next election as you do. Maybe more since the rocks are turning into a rain these days.

YOu are joking, right?

YOU of all people should know...

What he said was that he doesn't know much about the issue but that aligned with Kucinich they could get bi-partisan support for a new investigation. He does not say he is AGAINST a new investigation. At least in the interview I'm mentioning.

(source: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d91a13Yr3oQ )

This is one of the reasons I think I may have started to change my position.

However, as said. He'll never be picked to run for the party. We all know historically what happens to candidates that run as independents. The media picks the winner.

I'm serious. I see plenty of people participating at street level in socialist activities, but like most governments, I see no genuine Leftist activity in the u.s government. Whilstever money buys votes, I don't see any politician being there for the benefit of the people he "represents".

dude...dont bother... you're talking to ROXDOG! this guy doesn't his ass from a hole in the ground, let alone any political theory, frameworks, or facts for that matter.

the US is by far the least socialist nation in the entire developed world. the fed, NSA, DEA, IRS, etc... have NOTHING to do with socialism. these are tools of oppression, not socialism

BWahhaha....another joke. I can say for sure I am far more educated AND adept at discussing these matters than you will ever be. You are the one spouting false-choice talking points from your chosen home team, not me.

Socialism is the DRIVING FORCE of oppression, you twit. Get a goddamn clue...I could sit here and write a book listing the practices and goals of the US federal government that DEFINE socialism.

A friend gave me this URL just last week.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634

The problem is CODEX not the UN.

CODEX = bathwater

UN = baby

The UN is very much part of the problem, Chris. Its very hard to take you seriously when you stick up for gun grabbers and an organization that is responsible for untold horrors upon humanity. You know NOTHING about the UNs origins do you? You have a lot of homework to do...


UN "peacekeepers" torture a Somali child over fire

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...S/UN/peace.html

:blink:

Hilarious isn't it? I guess he wants to say all that about me before everyone realizes it about him. :lol:

Everything Tenacious says is a psychology lesson in delusional thinking.

and where do you get your definition of socialism? roxdog's yahoo webpage? try a dictionary, or maybe political theory textbooks or literature. none of THEM agree with you, so where the fuck do get your bullshit from? fox news?

and while you're at it, why don't you indulge us with your qualifications to speak on ANYTHING political?

I get it from a dictionary. It is YOU that twists definitions to suit your twisted marxist world-view.

No, unlike you, I went to college and got an education.

I own all my poli sci textbooks from school. You don't know sh^t about anything written in any of the them. You are a hack at best.

Actually, the old ones do, and many of the new ones. But you wouldn't know anything about that.

Evoking a phony paradigm and trying to pigeon hole me into it only shows how utterly clueless you are. FOX pimps Hillary. FOX pimps socialism. Just like you.

You are aiding the neoconservative movement. :)

Here, pick one you retard...let us know which one you like best...now that you are fully out of the closet as a proponent of Marxism. :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAH thanks for showing everyone how dumb you are. NONE of those say or imply "oppression". very nice picture btw. cuz we all know that imporatnt figures from nations never meet each other except for nefarious purposes.

The only thing that is funny is that most of the people reading this are thinking the opposite.

Actually they very much do. These define a power monopoly of the state where the elite running the govt get to decide what to do with and how to distribute all the wealth and resources. This has been the driving force of tyranny for all of written history. Parroting things you've heard on Air America doesn't change history. :)

This is a fundraiser for Hillary.....you ignorant twat. :lol:

there is another option available, if people will take it.

Peace.

The real variety, not the faked type that nations of earth have proposed for centuries. And it's not communism either. We just need more cooperation from other nations. We should use diplomats and think tanks that are open about their dealings, and allow them to make peace with other nations.

Some may say that diplomacy is corrupt. Well it certainly has that history, yes. But if we are true about our intentions and we truly do not wish harm on the other nation, and do not make threats (this is a good argument for abolishing CIA) then we will have a worthy and sincere foundation on which peace must be built if it is going to last.

We should have a military to use for defense, and defense ONLY.

Now, if one day we are made aware of alien visitors and a larger interstellar community, I believe there is hope that humanity could either have learned how to create peace on earth, or be right at that moment when peace is desirable to enough people that the effect would be extending that ideal towards the new species.

THAT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE AN ALL INCLUSIVE GOVERNMENT. Don't misquote me here folks. Of course, if there was an already large enough all inclusive government that was tyrannical, then it could certainly force us under its jurisdiction. However I don't thnk that to be the way things usually work out there. If there was such a race, it would surely have wiped us out by now. The mere fact that humans DO NOT have alien DNA infused into their own, is proof that any potential galactic neighbors, if there are any, probably value our diversity and would not wish to harm us. They may even be waiting for us to prove they exist before they make publicly disclosed contact with our species.

Most alien races probably would not want to engulf our society and "assimiliate" it, so to speak, so we could even have multiple nations from earth representing humanity among other worlds. We wouldn't have to necessarily all speak as one "HUMAN" voice all of the time, although on occasion we may all choose to.

There is no need for massive globalization of governmemt or the errosion of political boundries & national soveriegnty. We just need to learn how to be good neighbors to each other. If a nation tries to take over the world like nazis did, then we stop them. If there is massive genocide happening in another part of the world, we oppose it and take measures to stop it, as chosen by the people.

Peace has always been possible. The problem is that people have been defining it incorrectly, partially with mal-intent, for all of history, so that peace would not happen. But we are becoming much wiser as a people, and I believe we are ready for the next great step towards peace -- the lasting kind. And not the kind enforced by a massive police-state. But the kind that is voluntarily kept by all of the world's nations, because they know that their continued existence as a nation would depend on not attacking others.

History shows that when the people are in charge of a nation's direction, that peace is more likely. The problem now is that the people aren't in control in most places in the world. Democracy is actually a minority.

How do you demacraticize the planet? You practice it flawlessly! You show the rest of the world what freedom is really about, and you use diplomats to secure peace with other nations in good faith. Terrorist cells will not attack those which do not appear to be threatening, and the people of other nations will overthrow their governments according to their own will and without our funding and puppeteering.

As Ron Paul says, "We should mind our business." Or rather, we should change our definition of business so that it does not involve shaping other nations with U.S. working class labor.

If the United States can lead by example, others would be sure to follow. I think this was the hope of our founding fathers actually. That we would shine as a beacon to other souls longing for a sanctuary of freedom. What we have done with that gift is treason. No less.