What do you all think of this??

http://www.realinsidenews.com/politics-article-04.html

Should generate some interesting discussion.

Mike

I think this is fantastic. I'm just wondering what chris sarns thinks of this. :P

:lol:

chris sarns: "He just married her for her looks..."

First I'll point out that she did not say what the thread's title is. That is wishful thinking and manipulation of her words. The closest she came was to say "No, it's a consideration, absolutely. He's a great truth-teller as well." I don't think this means that the Kucinich campaign is considering it, just that it is a consideration that could be made.

And sorry but I can't get over the wierdness of this very beautiful and young woman married to (sorry again) a troll. In the lives under a bridge sense, not the conspiracy forum sense. A Ferengi. I think many more people will have an issue with that than with Romney's religious belief in polygamy.

Also she comes off as a parrot to me. I'm sure she's very intelligent, but it just doesn't seem like she's using her intellect to answer the questions, just rote memorization of the talking points.

Worst of all, based on her answer on 9/11, I get the feeling it's something of a wet dream to be asked! The very neutral response is given - "unanswered questions" and the last response asking her to speculate as to why others dodge it was very unsatisfying. "Fear." Why? "Who knows."

I smell a rat. Well, maybe not a rat because if he was elected he'd probably reopen an investigation as promised. A rat in the sense that the Kucinich campaign seems to have made the decision to reach out to us in a big way, either to truly reach out to us, to appear that they are, or in some way to capitalize on the obvious boost Paul is getting from even skirting the topic by tackling it head on instead.

This last point I think is important. As many here would agree, talking about 9/11 for Paul would amount to political suicide, so what is Kucinich doing? Is this a man on the fringes with no place to go but up from this?

If youre coming at support for a candidate more for getting rid of oil dependency and
9/11 truth, then Kuncinich is your man

If youre looking for paleo conservative ideologies, interesting economic interests, and
brave ideas...Ron Paul is your man

Both Kucinich and Paul are the most anti war candidates next to Gravel

As far as Ron Paul, he has and will always be "9/11 was blowback, by angry Muslims".
Kuncinich seems more open to 9/11 truth

I WISH someone would get Kuncinich some REAL 9/11 information...like Ptech, Saudi involvement, Riggs Bank, ISI, protected terror charities, Yassin al Qadi, FBI obstruction, etc.

Ron and Dennis are friends.

They are not going to say anything bad about each other.

The facts still are:

Dennis introduced a resolution to impeach Cheney.

Ron voted to kill the impeachment resolution by sending it to committee where he knew it die.


Dennis listed the crimes and the evidence.

The evidence already in the public domain, at very least, makes a very strong case.
Many qualified people say it is conclusive.

So why don't you all support hearings now?

That's a lie.

Why is that a lie? Sounds like truth with a bit of speculation at the end to me.

I agree, of the candidates I've seen from outside being a Euro.

Dennis Kucinich seems to best for 911 truth. There seems to be some kind of Ron Paul mania going on on this forum which I don't understand.

To my knowledge, Ron Paul have said or done nothing that would benefit 911 truth.

Other candidates I like, Cynthia McKinney and this Alaskan guy Gravel?

But, Ron Paul nope, he is a dead end.

If these guys ran independtly they would win if there is elections and Kucinich btw has a hot wife. She called Ron Paul a "Truth Teller". Wow she is good.

Also, one thing i noticed Kucinich say, he said the US went to war for OIL it was not just that, it's a war to kill of islam prettty much, and they've been wanting to take down the persians for thousands of years.

Ron Paul would support a 9/11 investigation, just like he would support a Constitutional investigation through due process of law for a Cheney impeachment. Ron Paul would abolish the Federal Reserve, IRS, and Homeland Security, and CIA. And you guys don't know what this means for 9/11 truthers? How about not being tracked or spied upon? How about not being on some government list? How about not being considered a terrorist? Is the truther's phrase Al-CIA-da just a joke???

How about not being in some entangling alliance with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Israel? God knows they were a large factor in 9/11 no matter what story you believe; read 8bit's work.

Want your nation's economy out of the hands of the elite international bankers who control politicians? You know they are bankrupting this nation and pulling strings.

The CIA is completely out of control. Do I need to explain this part to you truthers? Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent! The CIA funds Al-CIA-da...Duh! Will Dennis Kucinich abolish it? No. Will Ron Paul abolish it? Yes.

Who gives a rats ass about a government investigation into 9/11, when Ron Paul will solve the problems without an investigation...even though he supports one!

Dennis Kucinich isn't any more of a truther than Ron Paul. Ron Paul already has solutions to the problems and even knows about the New World Order (the dudes who masterminded 9/11)! Ron Paul will abolish every bit of NWO scum that has penetrated our government. Dennis will empower the NWO, as i've explained in many posts.

"The first President Bush said the New World Order was in tune-- and that's what they were working for. The U.N. is part of that government. They're working right now very significantly towards a North American Union. That's why there's a lot of people in Washington right now who don't care too much about our borders. They have a philosophical belief that national sovereignty is not important. It's also the reason I've made the very strong suggestion the U.S. need not be in the U.N. for national security reasons." - Ron Paul

Even if Dr. Paul shot down impeachment, what's better?

Bush/Cheney, Hilary/?, Obama/?,Guiliani/ < Paul/Kucinich

The country would be on the right track.

Even if all the Kucinich and Gravel supporters hopped onto the bandwagon of a Paul/Kucinich ticket, I don't think it would be enough to win. Ron Paul needs a strong and popular conservative or libertarian. I would like a Paul/Stossel ticket. It would bring about huge popularity for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul/Cynthia McKinney vs Dennis Kucinich/Mike Gravel would be interesting

Ron Paul would be bad choice, not only for the reasons i have already mentioned, but also for these:

Ron Paul favors teaching religious mythology as science in our schools.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

• Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)

Ron Paul: secular left
http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/08/06/auth...-secularism.htm

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few.

The secular left wants to keep Christian doctrine out of government and our public schools.
To claim this constitutes "driving it from public view" is ca ca.

Ron Paul on health care
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

• Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. (Dec 2000)

I'm all for that!

No worse than secular humanist post-mod mythology in public schools. ;)

Medicare be gone!!

A most excellent post sir - thank you

Present scientific facts that support creationism
Q: Academic freedom is threatened when questioning the theory of evolution. An Iowa State astronomer was denied tenure because of his work in intelligent design in May 2007. Censoring alternative theories--dogmatic indoctrination--has replaced scientific inquiry. Will you encourage a more open approach to the presentation of scientific facts that contradict the theory of evolution?

* HUCKABEE: Yes.
* TANCREDO: Yes.
* COX: Yes.
* BROWNBACK: Yes.
* PAUL: Yes.
* HUNTER: Yes.
* KEYES: Yes.


Read the damned question here. Your reply would be "you do NOT support a more open approach?"

You are NOT being honest here. This is DEVIOUSNESS at best. *BUSTED*

Socialism is GOV'T control:

Gov't COMMITED 911 RIGHT IN YOUR FACE - And you want to give them MORE POWER? ARE YOU INSANE MAN?

Or are you just lookin' for FREEBEEES ?

Who care WHAT this "Austin Cline" piece of shit for a human being has to say! WTF man.

AlexAmore,Nov 25 2007, 06:29 PM
"Ron Paul would support a 9/11 investigation"
What makes you think so?

"just like he would support a Constitutional investigation through due process of law for a Cheney impeachment."
That would be the Judiciary Committee. He has not urged them to hold hearings.

"Ron Paul would abolish the Federal Reserve"
Right on

"IRS"
Show me a detailed plan to replace it.

"and Homeland Security"
Right on

"and CIA"
Bad idea. Just fire everybody Bush hired or promoted.

"And you guys don't know what this means for 9/11 truthers?"
If we wait another year, as you propose, it means a war with Iran and the thought police sanctioned by HR 1955 will have silenced AE911Truth and Ron Paul supporters because we are terrorists.

We cannot "WAIT AND HOPE"

Anyone who denies the indisputable scientific geological and DNA proof that the earth is 4+ billion years old and all living things on this planet evolved from single cell organisms,

is a few pickets shy of a fence.



Every culture has a creation myth.

Ron Paul believes the Jewish myth is true and all others are folklore.

You have DNA evidence that the earth is 4+ billion years old? Not that what one believes the age of the earth is somehow also determines whether or not they are religious. Duh.

Are you saying that if someone is not an atheist exactly like you, then that means that they are crazy?

Do you think that because someone is religious, that that should automatically disqualify them from public office?

If you want this thread closed down, keep up with this line. ;)

You talking to me? What "line" are you refering to?

Religion. It always degenerates, very quickly. Threads have been killed altogether when they go off track like this one seems to be doing...

Not suggesting it should be closed, just that it is a distinct possibility, and nobody would be served by that result!

Personally I'd like nothing more than to enter the fray at this point, but better judgement prevails. :lol:

Then perhaps you should be addressing chris sarns. :)

chris sarns
"Anyone who denies the indisputable scientific geological and DNA proof that the earth is 4+ billion years old and all living things on this planet evolved from single cell organisms,
is a few pickets shy of a fence."

Raven
"You have DNA evidence that the earth is 4+ billion years old?"
Now there's a stupid question.

Raven
"Are you saying that if someone is not an atheist exactly like you, then that means that they are crazy?"
You assumed i am an atheist.

God is the life force that flows through all living things
We are all one with and inseparable from God
God loves not one of us more than another

chris sarns
"Every culture has a creation myth. Ron Paul believes the Jewish myth is true and all others are folklore."
Raven
"Do you think that because someone is religious, that that should automatically disqualify them from public office?"
No

One can be very religious and still realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth.

This has nothing to do with believing in God and doing God's will.


ETA:
I would be hesitant to elect someone who believed in the creation myth, but my vote would be decided by all the issues.

Ron Paul does not believe in the separation of church and state.
He does not believe that's what the founding fathers wanted.

I firmly disagree.

He wants [Christian] prayer in public schools.

Christian icons [ten commandments] in government buildings and the

teaching of religious mythology [creationism] as science in our public schools.

How is it a stupid question when you are the one who stated that you had DNA proof of the earth being 4+ billion years old? Do I need to quote you? Maybe you should re-evaluate what is stupid.

That's an interesting perspective. Perhaps my question should then be re-phrased...

Are you saying that if everyone doesn't believe that there is no Creator exactly like you believe, then that means that they are crazy?

It's an interesting perspective, but fair enough. To each, their own.

Do you believe that anyone who has a Creationist viewpoint should be disqualified from public office?

God is the life force that flows through all living things
We are all one with and inseparable from God
God loves not one of us more than another

Raven
"That's an interesting perspective. Perhaps my question should then be re-phrased...
Are you saying that if everyone doesn't believe that there is no Creator exactly like you believe, then that means that they are crazy?"
I believe God is the creator, the question is about when the earth was created and how life evolved.
You may believe what ever you want but don't teach religious mythology as science in our public schools.

chris sarns
"Every culture has a creation myth.
Ron Paul believes the Jewish myth is true and all others are folklore."

Raven
"Do you think that because someone is religious, that that should automatically disqualify them from public office?"
No

One can be very religious and still realize that the creation myth is just that, a myth.

This has nothing to do with believing in God and doing God's will.

Raven
"It's an interesting perspective, but fair enough. To each, their own.
Do you believe that anyone who has a Creationist viewpoint should be disqualified from public office?"
No

Student: …we’ve heard that you have questioned the government’s official account.

Paul: Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever.

Student: So I just wanted to say, you know, we’ve talked to Dennis Kucinich and he says that he’s willing to, you know, investigate it. He would advocate for a new investigation.

Paul: Into 9/11?

Student: Yeah, into 9/11. I mean, if it was Dennis Kucinich and you, there’d be congressional support. You know what I mean? So you wouldn’t be the only one.

Paul: It’d be bipartisan, too. And I’ve worked with Dennis a lot on a lot of these issues.

Student: So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?

Paul: Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it…the investigation was an investigation in which there were government cover-ups... There could be a better investigation because there’s a split in government. So I would certainly consider that and think it could be worthwhile. If you do the same thing over and over again, you’re just spinning your wheels. But I would certainly work with Dennis. So I’ll talk to Dennis and he’s in a position now in the party majority, so he might have a better chance with it.

Student: Yeah, he has subpoena power and everything, so…

Paul: And we’d have a better chance of getting a new investigation. Too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up.

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On Alex Jones show in January:

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I’m tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.

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IRS revenue is what you're worried about? Well how about we just end this imperialistic foriegn policy and the end the military industrial complex? There, we just saved ourselves trillions of dollars and got out of debt. We can cross the next bridge when we get there. Let's end FEMA too....rat bastards. So maybe you don't like Ron Paul's education policy (even though you are misunderstanding it, but it's a small issue in the large scheme of things), at least our kids don't have to worry about being rounded up and herded into detention camps by FEMA.

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CIA needs to be abolished. It didn't get bad once Bush got into office. It's been bad for a long long time. Like, remember when the CIA created Al Quada? Then there was the time the CIA performed a coup and installed the shah in 1953. This stuff is far deeper than Bush making it bad. I love your misplaced Bush hating though. We should fire everybody and start over.

I think you have a misunderstanding. Ron Paul is not advocating teaching religious mythology as science in schools. I don't advocate that either.

Unlocking the Mystery of Life

Thank you for your answers. I think we agree on certain things.

student: …we’ve heard that you have questioned the government’s official account.

Paul: Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever.

<snip>

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I’m tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.


Here, here!

Sources please.

Dennis and Ron are acknowledging the 911 cover up, if ever so tentatively.

You push your guy and i'll push mine to mention it on national TV.

Raven
"I think you have a misunderstanding. Ron Paul is not advocating teaching religious mythology as science in schools. I don't advocate that either."

Ron Paul: on education
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

Ron Paul wants to:
• Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
in our public schools.

Creationism is religious mythology, not science.

Ha.....so now you will have us believe that your political philosophy is more in line with the founders than Dr. Paul? BWahhaaaa....

Are you seriously this ill informed? He would (if he could) abolish all laws PROHOBITING it. "Congress shall make no law"....(that ring a bell for you, Chris?)..

You and anyone that thinks like you is the dead end.

Well - I hope (and I'm pretty sure) that Ron Paul will avoid entanglements with any of these socialist blood sucking thieves .... Stossel is a solid choice.

Chris Sarns
"Ron Paul does not believe in the separation of church and state.
He does not believe that's what the founding fathers wanted."

Roxdog
"....so now you will have us believe that your political philosophy is more in line with the founders than Dr. Paul?"
Yes

Chris Sarns
"He wants [Christian] prayer in public schools."
Roxdog
"Are you seriously this ill informed? He would (if he could) abolish all laws PROHOBITING it. "Congress shall make no law"....(that ring a bell for you, Chris?).."

Point taken.

Ron Paul
"It is ironic and sad that a letter defending the principle that the federal government must stay out of religious affairs should be used two hundred years later to justify the Supreme Court telling a child that he cannot pray in school!"

If someone wants to pray in school, they may do so, on their own or in groups.
However, it is wrong to require everyone to pray or remain silent while a Christian prayer is said.

America is becoming more diverse and Christians must accept that there are a lot of people like me who believe in God but don't believe in religion.

That which brings us together is good.
That which separates us is bad.

The belief held by Christians and Muslims that "Our way is the only way to God"
and the existence of the word "Infidel", separates us.

Look, I totally supported Ron Paul, and now I have second thoughts.
It seems like the Creationist/pro-life cronies are coming out in droves to protect him. WTF?
I thought this was about 9/11. Not something that has already been settled in the courts.
This forum is becoming more and more narrow minded every time I visit.
We should protect freedom of religion (and lack thereof) and women's rights. NOT dismantle them.

But its everyone else thats narrow-minded, and not you, right?

Paul will do more for this than anyone else.

There are no "woman's rights". There are only individual rights.

Kucinich wants to dismantle the second amendment.

Then what does this picture mean to you?