I'm just reading some accounts of the Pentagon crash, and have found a possible oddity/contradiction. Perhaps someone who has researched this more than I have could clarify this for me, and point out if I'm just mistaken here:

Lloyd England had his taxi hit by a lightpole that was supposedly knocked over when Flight 77 flew overhead. England has described: "I had to wrestle with the car to stop it and when I did stop the car there was no noise."

Since he claims he had to wrestle with his car to stop it, I guess this would mean he was traveling at least at a reasonable speed. Yet many accounts state that traffic was at a virtual standstill in front of the Pentagon:

Mike Walter said: "I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know, typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill."

Another report described Frank Probst taking "a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident."

Father Stephen McGraw appears to have been driving near to Lloyd England. He said: "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car." However, in the same report, he is also quoted as saying: "The traffic was very slow moving, and at one point just about at a standstill." In another account, he similarly described: "I mistakenly took the Pentagon exit and found myself in standstill traffic, in front of a huge building that I later learned was the Pentagon."

So I am wondering: Was Lloyd England also stuck in the traffic jam? Or was he on another road, or driving in a different direction, where the traffic was moving faster? If he was in the traffic jam, why did he have to "wrestle with" his car to stop it?

What was the traffic like on Southbound 27?

How far into the book was Lloyd?

note Bobby Eberle's key words... written the day after 9/11

he doesnt say YESTERDAY i was running late... he says "on Tuesday Morning".. no biggie...

he's on his way to a ACU "bootcamp" at a hotel... doesnt say which... and specifies that the route "runs right past the Pentagon"

-- thus eberle is either southbound on Rt 27, or inbound on 395.
He's headed for Washington DC, but staying in virginia, from what i understand.

says he 'rounds a bend, and then the Pentagon was in our sights'
(can you see the pentagon from 395, as it bends?)

"crept along in traffic"
so traffic was creeping... but on 395 eastbound, or Rt 27 southbound?
this is particulary important, because Lloyd was traveling southbound on Rt 27.



http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/bobby/2001/bobby_0912.shtml

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pentagon&sou...m=1&sa=N&tab=wl

It was 27 North that had the stand-still traffic. Lloyd was on 27 South which, curiously, was nearly deserted.

Except for when these cars came along.









Then they leave and the road is deserted again. Notice that the Pentagon's roof has not yet collapsed. That tells you that the cars that boxed Lloyd's car in didn't stay for very long.

You do know Bobby Eberle is not an impartial eyewitness.

He's a major GOP operative from TX, who use to work for Lockhead. He runs GOPUSA and the defunk Talon News, which was to company that Jeff Gannon 'worked' for.

Thanks Avenger, that's a big help. I find this all very curious. I would be interested to see video footage--if any exists--of this part of Route 27 around the time the Pentagon was hit and for the 30 minutes or so beforehand. It would be interesting to see what it revealed.

where are all the witnesses to the pentagon crash??should have been in the hundreds

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doesnt anyone think it odd that a hundred people or so havent come forward to say they saw a jet cross the highway and hit the pentagon that morning....reason....no one saw a jet that morning..

Quite the opposite. Since everyone knows that's what happened it's not "news' for someone to claim they saw it.

What they WOULD do is come forward and say they saw a flyover but they haven't...reason...there wasn't one.

Simple question: If the object that went through the building needed to be horizonal, going through several walls, would that object need to be flying low and horozonal also, verses plane dropping inward at a verticle angle? If it was a large jet would it need to be flying lower also, like five feet to make that hole in the pentagon?

i never said it was news but it is whats called "evidence " ..and they would be called "witnesses"...that would need to be" interviewed,"....one by one and then whats called "a police report" is made detailing what the witnesses saw..then people who dont really trust "the news" can read the reports..according to your logic,, as long as enough people concur on something,, no investigation is necessary......and in his case your going so far as to assume everyone concurred,quite a stretch

What's even stranger about Lloyd England is the fact that the damage that happened to his taxi is physically impossible. The windshield is broken from "the lamp post crashing through it into his car" yet the hood and windshild frame are in pristine condition not a scratch. If you go to Craig Rankes site thepentacon.com he has a video interview and some excellent research on Lloyd England.