Here is what i have learned from debating the nice folks at JREF.

They have been most helpful in providing websites containing data that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, WTC 7 did NOT collapse due to DD/F.


The evidence for the '10 story gouge':

NIST L-18 [22 on pg counter]
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

"middle 1/4 to 1/3 width of the south face was gouged out from floor 10 to the ground"


Evidence that the '10 story gouge' was a misinterpretation of the actual damage

L-18
"No heavy debris was observed in the lobby area as the building was exited, primarily white dust coating and black wires hanging from ceiling areas were observed."
[a gouge floor 10 to the ground would have left a pile of heavy debris in the lobby 60 to 80 feet wide from the south facade to the elevators]

“debris damage across ¼ width of the south face, starting several stories above the atrium [ground to floor 5], noted that the atrium glass was still intact"
[cannot co-exist with – gouge, floor 10 to the ground]

The atrium, ground to 5th floor, is the area between the promenade on the left and the pedestrian bridge on the right.



FEMA 5-20
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
“According to the account of a firefighter who walked the 9th floor along the south side following the collapse of WCT 1, the only damage to the 9th floor facade occurred at the south west corner."

Oral Histories: Chief Frank Fellini
[in charge of operations at West and Vesey]
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html...es_full_01.html
“When it fell [WTC 1] it ripped steel out from between the third and the sixth floors.....”
[Do you think he did not notice a gouge, 120 feet high, 60 to 80 feet wide, and 30 to 40 feet deep, in the middle of WTC 7 ?]

NIST ignored the two statements on the same page that were in conflict with the "middle 1/4 to 1/3 width of the south face was gouged out from floor 10 to the ground" and the statement in the FEMA report.

They then showed this 'damage' in the graphic on pg 23 as "Possible region of impact damage" and again on pages 31 & 32 as "Approximate region of impact damage"

In the Summary item 3) they describe the damage attributed to this gouge [columns 69, 72 and 75] as Possible components that may have led to the failure of columns 79, 80 and/or 81.

Thanks for pounding the pavement. This is good stuff. Are you going to post this on 911Blogger.com?

Thank you for your support.

I am not familiar with the workings of that blog.

Are there sections like here or is it all one page?

Should i post all 5 summaries or one at a time?

Chris

Here's the Deutsche Bank building (also known as Banker's Trust), well gouged by the towers' collapse that somehow survived and remained standing.



Clearly the gouging though dramatic, was superficial and didn't dig that deeply towards this building's vulnerable core.

MM

I haven't followed your discussion at JREF, but what did the debunker boys say about your theory ?

New people enter the debate and spout the sophistry they learned from Gravy and others like him.
Over the last year i have done a lot of research to answer their endless questions and assertions.
Each time i rephrase and refine my answers.
Most people now realize that there was no '10 story gouge' as described in NIST L page 18.
[I have to put that last part in to avoid the double talk and intentional misinterpretation]
Some still try to try an defend the diesel fuel fires.
Most realize the there is no evidence to support that hypothesis although few will admit it.

The most gratifying thing is, we are having a debate and not a insult fest.
I have learned how to ignore the insults, keep a sense of humor and stay on point.
The truth is there to counter the lies and sophistry.
I can only hope that some of the young minds there will see thru the BS.

Thank you for your support and the Jowenko video, it is a major piece of the puzzle.

Chris

I'm happy that the original TV sample (with the Naudet wtc7 replaced by the Dan Rather wtc7) is now part of Loose Change (I'm glad that I ripped the complete internet stream from the website because that is now no longer available there), I watched it last weekend, but it didn't shock me, not because it is no good show, but because I already know for a year that the official story can only be wrong.

I saw it once when it was briefly available on Gogvid

It's more organized with a lot of new stuff.

Shanksville especially powerful.

I ordered one but i haven't goten it yet.

That's right, every time we come a step closer to the truth, to say it like that, the more insults start to occur. They can't efficiently counterattack the facts that are being shown to them anymore. Willingly ignorant.