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Terrorcell - November 14, 2007 02:40 AM (GMT)
Aldo and Craig have just returned from another groundbreaking research trip to Arlington where they have obtained more footage and first-hand eyewitness testimony further exposing the 9/11 deception.

In the spirit of openness and for the record I will share with you now the incredible details before we compile and present the data.

Here is a quick but detailed summary of what we accomplished.

First we interviewed a very personable woman/mother who was stuck in traffic on Route 27 northbound directly in front of the Pentagon and the flight path. She did not see or hear the plane at all despite being right where it flew and she was convinced that the Pentagon had been bombed up until she finally got home and heard the news.

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We then had probably the most significant and important interview possible for establishing the true flight path of the plane.

A charter boat captain who takes clients bass fishing on the Potomac every day on his 3 person speedboat was on the river just south of the airport when he saw the plane approach from the east, cross the river, loop around north, and then he heard the explosion and saw the smoke.

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This 100% contradicts the NTSB flight path proving it a fabrication.

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This testimony is incredibly strong because the witness is on the river every day and he is quite familiar with the air traffic patterns which are pretty strict and constant since planes are flying to and from Reagan every 2 to 4 minutes. You can clearly see them flying by throughout the footage.

He was with clients when they noticed how strangely quiet the skies were after national ground stop at 9:26 just before the plane approached off the normal air traffic and looped around just before the explosion.

They couldn't see the Pentagon where they were and at first thought the plane went down at the airport that was northwest of them a bit so they took the boat up to go see if they could help and quickly learned that the smoke was coming from the Pentagon.

When they got up to the Pentagon lagoon a few minutes later they heard a secondary explosion.

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Although he couldn't recall a color (the plane wasn't any lower than normal air traffic when he saw it) he distinctly remembers it as a standard passenger jet.

It's clear that the plane he saw could be no other than THE plane because of where it flew, it's timing with the explosion, and the fact that all other planes were grounded at the time. Because of the fact that he places the plane as coming from the DC or east side of the river, the critical role of the very visible E4B circling Washington serving as cover is becoming even more clear particularly in light of the fact that so many people identify the plane as being white.

So what about the C-130?

We are now more sure than ever how like the E4B, it was meant to ambiguously play a critical dual role as cover for the flyover as well.

Despite the fact that the C-130 pilot himself claims he did not see the plane impact the building and was even so far away that did not know at first the explosion was coming from the Pentagon; Keith Wheelhouse claims he saw it "shadowing" the AA jet and veering away right before impact.

I had a couple of hurried conversations on the phone with Keith that were cut off in the past where he confirmed this claim but after about a year of hoping and trying; he agreed to an interview so we dedicated Saturday to driving 3.5 hours to catch up with him in person at his summer home where he told us he would be painting. So we went there and obtained his testimony on video.

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I've asked every single other witness I've interviewed about the C-130 or any 2nd plane and only USA Today editor Joel Sucherman claimed he saw one within seconds of the explosion while virtually none of the others saw one at all.

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Everyone will now be able to make a more educated decision about who to believe in this regard but if majority rules it's clear that no c-130 or 2nd plane "shadowed" anything at all at the time of the explosion.



Saturday evening we met up with the currently enlisted decorated 9/11 rescue team worker, hero, toxic dust victim, and supporter of CIT who previously wrote this letter that you can see on the front page of our website:

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He took us into DC and showed us around and we offered to buy him dinner but he insisted on picking up the check.

He has full access to the Pentagon so after our late dinner, he took us there at around 11:00 and we got a 2 hour tour personal tour through the empty halls.

Naturally we couldn't bring any cameras but it was an incredible experience to say the least.

We walked the halls, saw the courtyard, the AE Drive, and we signed the guest book in the 9/11 memorial right at the alleged impact point that has a window with a view of route 27 and the potential flight paths.

It was quite a moment for us in mourning for the victims of this horrible deception inspiring us even more to continue our quest for justice.

Sunday was dedicated to location shots.

We have tons of new footage of the highways and POV's that will really help people to understand the topography and just how difficult it is to see the alleged impact point from the surrounding areas.

Previously published witness Dawn Vignola who was coached by her former roomate Hugh Tim Timmerman on the radio as an eyewitness declined to be interviewed on camera but let us into her Pentagon City high rise apartment to get shots of her POV and the one of the best possible views of the the event from high up.

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Dawn swears that the plane was white and although with her panoramic view she got a great look at it approaching from a ways away, once it got near the Pentagon it was obscured by the building in front of her until a split second before the explosion.

She says it hit the heliport.

We know this isn't true because there was no damage to the heliport so likely the explosion and fireball simply concealed what the plane really did.

Sunday night we had dinner with Bob Pugh, a free lance videographer who got the earliest and best footage of the damage to the building immediately after the attack and BEFORE the collapse.

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He provided us with a copy of his footage but he was on the scene and has great insight into the event so we interviewed him as well.

Bob's footage is quite famous and it was a privilege to have him provide it for us and our cause.

He is also featured in Loose Change Final Cut as we met him for the first time on our original research trip with Dylan.

We caught our plane Monday late afternoon but not without doing some canvassing for some new witnesses in the neighborhoods right before the driving range of Army Navy Country Club where Jamal saw the plane.

Most people weren't home because they were at work just like they would have been on 9/11 but almost all the retired people we found confirmed that they heard the plane or knew that it flew over the area.

However we did find one more person who actually saw the plane and although he did not remember the color he further corroborates the flight path that has been getting established for us by the the people of Arlington.

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This type of continuous corroboration is what makes us so certain that we are on the right track.


Besides all of this we also met up with DC 9/11 truth group member Jeff at Kramer books in Dupont Circle for a bit of socializing and networking with a local activist.

It was an incredibly productive trip and the plan is to first put together a short that exposes the new smoking gun flight path and the 2nd plane cover story featuring the charter boat captain and Keith Wheelhouse and then wrap up our investigation before completing the Researcher's Edition in 2008.

The names of all the witnesses will be revealed when the data is released as everyone testified on the record.

TxGuy - November 14, 2007 03:52 PM (GMT)
Since Aldo and Craig have both been banned why are you spitting in the face of the admins and posting their insanity?

Terrorcell - November 14, 2007 06:09 PM (GMT)
I'm a member of CIT.

Do you actually contribute anything to these forums or are you just here to waste everyone's time?

Thanks for the great contribution, you're right on par.

P.S. Nice try enigma, you little troll. I am not disrespecting anyone here. On the other hand you seem to disrespect this entire forum and every member with each post you make here. Why do you spit in the face of 99% of the people here and care about the people who's faces you are constantly spitting in?

Oh you don't. You just want this information repressed and censored, that's right.....

honway - November 14, 2007 10:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TxGuy @ Nov 14 2007, 03:52 PM)
Since Aldo and Craig have both been banned why are you spitting in the face of the admins and posting their insanity?

Anyone interested in the truth concerning 9/11 recognizes the significant and important
information contained in this thread. These individuals should be commended for their efforts.


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Previously published witness Dawn Vignola who was coached by her former roomate Hugh Tim Timmerman on the radio as an eyewitness declined to be interviewed on camera but let us into her Pentagon City high rise apartment to get shots of her POV and the one of the best possible views of the the event from high up.


This photo and information are significant contributions.

Avenger - November 15, 2007 02:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TxGuy @ Nov 14 2007, 09:52 AM)
Since Aldo and Craig have both been banned why are you spitting in the face of the admins and posting their insanity?

What's so insane about eyewitness testimony?

Avenger - November 15, 2007 02:06 AM (GMT)
I mean, are the eyewitnesses insane too?

And anyway, you seem to be advocating censorship.

Terrorcell - November 15, 2007 02:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 15 2007, 02:06 AM)
I mean, are the eyewitnesses insane too?

And anyway, you seem to be advocating censorship.

Enigma advocates anything that might potentially lead to me being silent. Hence his attempt at shit stirring in this thread. I'm sure it made everyone else yawn as it did myself..........


ETA : Besides even though Aldo & Craig are banned from here there hasn't been any mention that any of their research is a taboo or forbidden topic. Enigma is such a troll....

Avenger - November 15, 2007 03:20 AM (GMT)
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First we interviewed a very personable woman/mother who was stuck in traffic on Route 27 northbound directly in front of the Pentagon and the flight path. She did not see or hear the plane at all despite being right where it flew and she was convinced that the Pentagon had been bombed up until she finally got home and heard the news.

No light poles knocked over? No cab screeching to a halt with a pole in the windshield? I wonder if she saw Stephen McGraw.

Avenger - November 15, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
Or maybe she's just 'insane'. Just like the charter boat captain who saw the plane approach from the east and loop north. CIT keeps finding more and more witnesses who contradict the official story. Are they all crazy?

TxGuy - November 15, 2007 06:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 14 2007, 08:06 PM)
I mean, are the eyewitnesses insane too?

And anyway, you seem to be advocating censorship.

Nah...if you get the "I Hate People Who Post At Jref" plank out of your eye you would e that my complaint is that Craig and Aldo are banned from LCF so Dom posting something they wrote is wrong either way you look. Fact is Dom should be warned for doing this. Next time he should be suspended or banned.

racerX - November 15, 2007 10:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TxGuy @ Nov 15 2007, 01:31 AM)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 14 2007, 08:06 PM)
I mean, are the eyewitnesses insane too?

And anyway, you seem to be advocating censorship.

Nah...if you get the "I Hate People Who Post At Jref" plank out of your eye you would e that my complaint is that Craig and Aldo are banned from LCF so Dom posting something they wrote is wrong either way you look. Fact is Dom should be warned for doing this. Next time he should be suspended or banned.

I disagree.

Craig and Aldo are banned because they couldn't keep out of destructive patterns..
..posting videos and almost avoiding any stupid foregone conclusions is OK, IMHO..

What I'm wondering about is how really are plants being separated from legitimate witnesses?

A guy on a boat on the safe side of the pentagon that doesnt notice any plane fly away?

Sweet...

TxGuy - November 15, 2007 03:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (racerX @ Nov 15 2007, 04:24 AM)
QUOTE (TxGuy @ Nov 15 2007, 01:31 AM)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 14 2007, 08:06 PM)
I mean, are the eyewitnesses insane too?

And anyway, you seem to be advocating censorship.

Nah...if you get the "I Hate People Who Post At Jref" plank out of your eye you would e that my complaint is that Craig and Aldo are banned from LCF so Dom posting something they wrote is wrong either way you look. Fact is Dom should be warned for doing this. Next time he should be suspended or banned.

I disagree.

Craig and Aldo are banned because they couldn't keep out of destructive patterns..
..posting videos and almost avoiding any stupid foregone conclusions is OK, IMHO..

What I'm wondering about is how really are plants being separated from legitimate witnesses?

A guy on a boat on the safe side of the pentagon that doesnt notice any plane fly away?

Sweet...

So if you were banned it would be ok for me to post here something you write or say? Then what good was banning you in the first place?

Lin Kuei - November 15, 2007 04:23 PM (GMT)
Txguy, please leave admin matters for admins, CIT was never banned from these forums, only a number of individuals from it - and that was because of their conduct, not the premise of their research.

Thanks for posting, Dom.

TxGuy - November 15, 2007 04:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lin Kuei @ Nov 15 2007, 10:23 AM)
Txguy, please leave admin matters for admins, CIT was never banned from these forums, only a number of individuals from it - and that was because of their conduct, not the premise of their research.

Thanks for posting, Dom.

Lin, will do but please understand that i didn't say CIT was banned, I said Craig and Aldo. I just was complaining that Dom's post was written by Craig and Aldo which is basically their way of posting here in spite of being banned.

Terrorcell - November 15, 2007 06:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TxGuy @ Nov 15 2007, 04:37 PM)
QUOTE (Lin Kuei @ Nov 15 2007, 10:23 AM)
Txguy, please leave admin matters for admins, CIT was never banned from these forums, only a number of individuals from it - and that was because of their conduct, not the premise of their research. 

Thanks for posting, Dom.

Lin, will do but please understand that i didn't say CIT was banned, I said Craig and Aldo. I just was complaining that Dom's post was written by Craig and Aldo which is basically their way of posting here in spite of being banned.

If I start posting responses on their behalf then you have a valid argument.

Avenger - November 15, 2007 11:50 PM (GMT)
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What I'm wondering about is how really are plants being separated from legitimate witnesses?

You didn't say that about Penny Elgas or Frank Probst. Why not?
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A guy on a boat on the safe side of the pentagon that doesnt notice any plane fly away?

Sweet...

He couldn't see the Pentagon from his location. Notice that he did not SEE the explosion, but HEARD the explosion. So what do you think about the rest of his story?

Terrorcell - November 16, 2007 11:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 15 2007, 11:50 PM)
So what do you think about the rest of his story?

Why would he discuss that? The implications of that aspect destroy the fairy tale he's been so tightly clutching.......

racerX - November 17, 2007 09:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terrorcell @ Nov 16 2007, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 15 2007, 11:50 PM)
So what do you think about the rest of his story?

Why would he discuss that? The implications of that aspect destroy the fairy tale he's been so tightly clutching.......

I'd like you to tell me what I've been so tightly clutching?

Is that the impact thing that the Citgo witnesses have been telling us about? That thing that is continually dismissed as an illusion or a sleight-of-hand trick?

It's not like I'm isolated here on that aspect, guys? or maybe you think your illusion trick works for the guy in the boat too?

I liked how that latest CIT post avoided any outrageous conclusions... but dont fricken abuse what was an honest shot at steering the discussion towards reality... :rolleyes:

Avenger - November 18, 2007 05:57 AM (GMT)
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He couldn't see the Pentagon from his location. Notice that he did not SEE the explosion, but HEARD the explosion. So what do you think about the rest of his story?

Avenger - November 18, 2007 06:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terrorcell @ Nov 16 2007, 05:57 PM)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Nov 15 2007, 11:50 PM)
So what do you think about the rest of his story?

Why would he discuss that? The implications of that aspect destroy the fairy tale he's been so tightly clutching.......

He quotes you, but, then proves your point by not discussing the rest of the man's story.

Why does his testimony contradict the official flight path?

8bitagent - November 21, 2007 10:54 AM (GMT)
Holy smokes.

You know it's strange. The first instances of Pentagon theories come from Rumsfeld talking about a missile hitting the pentagon as well as Thierry Miessen's book.

All this time the alternate theories have been on a missile or global hawk/drone/warthog, all of which I always felt were true disinfo.

I have a friend, who cant stand the 9/11 theories, is pro Bush...but when I showed him the may 2006 released pentagon footage even he said it looked like it was faked, but didnt see what that even would implicate.

I cannot wait for the documentary on the Pentagon you guys are working on to come out, it sounds absolutely unpresedented.

It's unfortunate Aldo and Craig are banned...this information seems so explosive, that really no sites even cover it.

The space beam/cartoon cgi/no planes at WTC, which is ultra disinfo gets spoken about ad nauseum...as well as "hijackers alive/hijackers trained at US bases/al Qaeda doesnt exist" stuff.

But what the CIT guys are uncovering in Shanksville and Arlington....its, well its
pretty unsettling.

One has to ask themselves...why do the witnesses claim the plane was white, and on a side/path different than the official story?




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