I'm guessing that everyone has seen the debate with the editors of Popular Mechanics. I could barely believe the sidestepping and subject changing that James Meigs was doing! I got very excited when they got to discussing the hole in the pentagon because to me, that was the most damning, undisputable evidence in the whole film.

Peg-A does not fit in slot-X. Peg-A has vanished. There are some unidentified car parts strewn around the lawn that belong to neither Peg-A or Slot-X

Meigs outright lied by saying that the hole was actually ninety feet across. When Dunbar called him on it by pointing out the size relation to the (miraculously intact) windows, Meigs used it to avoid the fact that he just screwed up and verbally danced over to "Oh, glad you mentioned those windows!"

And then everybody moved onto something else. I yelled at the YouTube screen.


Besides that, I have to say what a lame argument 'blast resistant upgrades' is. I don't care how high tech your windows are. If they get hit by a plane, they're going out! Blast resistant does not mean indestructible. And hell, just for kicks, let's say that it does! Let's pretend that the windows are made of the most scientifically advanced armored molecular structure that we could ever hope to make. Now a jet engine hits it.

The deflected carnage of twisted metal doesn't fall back onto the lawn and leave at least a mark? Doesn't leave a gash on the brick? Blocks of hardened mud and cement are fine, but the titanium was obliterated before it even hit the ground?

read up on the window. They were indeed blast-resistant and could withstand massive overpressures, such as after bombing. only the windows directly struck by the "plane" if one did in fact strike (a big IF!) would be liable to breakage.

They cost $10,000 a piece , materials and installation.

Note that witnesses report seeing some windows (not nec E ring) bulge OUTWARDS during the 'impact' -- as if pushed from blast force WITHIN the building.



http://www.azom.com/details.asp?newsID=380


Window manufacturer Viracon will receive an award today from the Protecting People First Foundation, following the tragic events of September 11. The foundation was set up after the Oklahoma bombing of 2000. It was established to raise awareness of flying glass hazards from terrorist attacks or natural disasters.

Viracon were the manufacturers of the blast resistant windows used in the Pentagon. These windows had only recently been installed in the region affected by the airplane impact and have been credited with saving potentially thousands of lives.

The windows were being installed as part of a renovation operation which had been partially completed by September 11. At the time of the impact approximately 385 of the blast resistant windows were installed in the Pentagon near the crash site.

The glass panel sections consisted of several glass panels bonded together with plastic interlayers similar to automotive windscreens. They differed in that they had a thickness of almost 40mm and weighed over 200kg each. The window frames were manufactured by Masonry Arts Inc to fit in with the existing architecture. Masonry Arts Inc were also responsible for the installation work.

The blast resistant windows were thought to be have been beneficial for a number of reasons. These included:

The blast resistant windows are claimed to have supported the floors directly above the impact for an additional 30 minutes, providing vital time for thousands of employees to escape
More lives were saved by virtue of the fact that the glass did not shatter into lethal shards.
Workers lives were also preserved by the fact that the windows shielded them from the heat and fire from the blast.
In fact some of the windows near the impact zone did not even break.
The high levels of performance provided by the windows made their $10,000 per piece construction and installation cost a small price to pay. The entire renovation project will see a total of 1755 units installed in the Pentagon as part of several billion dollar renovation.

125 people lost their lives in the Pentagon, in addition to the 64 on board the plane. Had it not been for the blast resistant windows, the death toll could have been much higher, as their were approximately 2600 persons in the affected section of the building at the time of the crash.

Does anybody really want this issue cleared up?

Like, to have explained how there was a 16 foot hole on top of a 90-foot hole? And they were essentially one big hole shaped like a 757's core?

And why some people think there was ONLY a small 16-foot hole?

Cause I can do this of need be. No windows, walls, columns, anything on floor 1 for almost exactly 90 feet.

Pentagon rule nr. one: A Boeing 757 can not vanish into the first floor at the Pentagon without a single scratch on the lawn.

Pentagon rule nr. two: To belive that A Boeing 757 can really vanish into the first floor, without leaving a HUGE scratch outside... one have to be:

1. 5 years old.

2. Mad.