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Title: Light Pole Was Never Through Windshield
Description: the entire Lloyd scenario was staged


SPreston - October 31, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
Jason Ingersoll is a Navy photographer and was at the Navy Annex when the first explosions were heard at the Pentagon down the hill below. So Jason grabbed his camera and headed down the hill, running and snapping photos along the way. These first pre-collapse photos are at the top of the hill.

03872 Top of hill-lots of smoke - - 03873 Roof of Pentagon-lots of smoke - - 03874 Fires-No fire trucks yet-Traffic stopped - - 03875 Fires-No fire trucks

These are the first pre-collapse Ingersoll photos showing the fires at the Pentagon. As you can see there are no fire trucks at the Pentagon fighting the fires in any of the Ingersoll pre-collapse photos until 03880. The 1st responder Reagan National fire trucks were on the scene at 9:40 or 9:41 according to their report. So all these Ingersoll pre-collapse photos are prior to 9:41.

QUOTE (First Responder Fire Fighting Team Unwelcome At Pentagon)
Serendipitous Arrival of Reagan National ARFF Team
According to the article, shortly before Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, a Reagan National aircraft rescue fire fighting team was already on the road, attending a car accident on the upper level of Airport Terminal B.  (Aircraft rescue fire fighters don't usually respond to car accidents, of course and there is no mention that the cars involved were on fire.)  The ARFF team had their backs to the Pentagon.  At 9:38 a.m. they heard a dull roar, turned around, and saw the smoke.  The article does not mention how the Reagan National team knew the Pentagon fire was the result of a plane crash; however, they left the airport immediately for the Pentagon, which was three miles away.  They arrived in two or three minutes and put the bulk of the fire out in seven minutes.

Do the math.  The Reagan National team must have arrived at the Pentagon at approximately 9:40 or 9:41 a.m.  If they extinguished the bulk of the fire in seven minutes, the "bulk of the fire" was extinguished at approximately 9:47 a.m. or 9:48 a.m.
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa.html
QUOTE (ARFF Crews Respond to the Front Line at Pentagon November 1 2001)
When a hijacked Boeing 757, skimming the street lights, smashed into the Pentagon on September 11, firefighters at nearby Reagan National Airport were the right responders in the right place with the right equipment.

Unknown to Captain Defina and his crews, hijacked American Airlines Flight 77, outbound from Washington Dulles International Airport with 64 people on board, was only minutes away from slamming at 0938 hours into the Pentagon, about 3 miles (4.8 kilometers) from National.

"I heard a dull roar. The noise didn't belong with the noise you were used to hearing within the airport," Captain Defina said. "I turned and saw a smoke plume arise."

Arriving two to three minutes later at the Pentagon's south parking lot, Captain Defina saw heavy smoke and heavy fire to his left on the building's west side.

Being among the first responding fire units, National's aircraft rescue firefighters (ARFF) crews were able to set up their apparatus directly in front of the gaping hole in the Pentagon. That was where their training in fighting aircraft fires and the capability of their foam units to extinguish jet fuel fires were put to the best use.

The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival, said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National.
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/


In this blowup photo the #1 light pole base can be seen above the guardrail. In front of the right headlight of the Cherokee is a red stake we can use as a reference point. Counting guardrail posts to the left starting at the stake equals 5 posts and the light pole base is just to the right of the 5th post and above the guardrail.
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Here is another photo of the 30' #1 light pole with the base elevated above the guard rail in relation to Ingersoll on the hillside. This is the famous photo of the drag gouge across the road. Please notice that the taxi was repositioned in front of that overpass wall from the Ingersoll hi-rez photos. Why did they move the taxicab with the broken windshield? Was it undrivable or not? Compare this photo to the hi-rez photos (03876 and 03877) which clearly show the taxicab was past the overpass wall with no light pole through the windshield and could be clearly seen. Why were they moving the taxi?
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The next two hi-rez photos show that in less than three minutes after the alleged 757 aircraft crash, the 30' 247 lb light pole is not sticking out of the windshield. There are no fire trucks at the Pentagon yet. Lloyd England and the helpful stranger pulled that heavy 30' long lightpole out of the windshield in less than 3 minutes after Lloyd stopped the car? Sure they did or the 30' 247 lb light pole was never through the windshield in the first place.

In this photo showing the fires at the Pentagon with no fire trucks yet, Lloyd England's Lincoln taxicab can be seen at the left with no light pole sticking out over the hood. Lloyd can be seen faithfully standing in the sun at the back of the taxi as ordered. The white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have not yet arrived. No #1 light pole base can be seen sticking up above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the stake reference point. The light pole base should be seen just to the right of the electrical box. There is no light pole base visible.
03876 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail
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In this photo showing the fires at the Pentagon with no fire trucks yet, Lloyd England's Lincoln taxicab can be seen at the left with no light pole sticking out over the hood. Lloyd can be seen faithfully standing in the sun at the back of the taxi as ordered. The white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have not yet arrived. No #1 light pole base can be seen sticking up above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the stake reference point. The light pole base should be to the right of the black pole. There is no light pole base visible.
03877 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail
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03878 Onlookers watching the action

The #1 light pole base has arrived. You can see it above and to the right of the 5th guardrail post from the red stake. Still no fire trucks down at the fires and the white Saturn and Jeep Cherokee government cars have arrived on the scene also. All these photos were taken by Jason Ingersoll in the 3 minutes between the initial explosions and the arrival of the Reagan National fire trucks. Perhaps the fire trucks were several minutes later than they reported. Did Lloyd and the helpful stranger remove that 30' 247 lb light pole from his windshield in just 3 or 5 minutes? Of course not. [B]The light pole was never through the windshield and this was just one more lie in the Pentagon saga.[/B]
03879 White Saturn and Jeep Cherokee on scene
In this photo the Cherokee has been moved and the light pole base is clearly visible above the guardrail and 5 posts to the left of our reference point.
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Still no fire trucks fighting fires. Road cleared. Nobody in that red vehicle. Federal agents have the scene secured.
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03880 Fire trucks finally on scene
In this photo, the fire trucks are fighting the fires, the roof still has not collapsed, and the Federal agents have cleared the road for a photo op of Lloyd standing behind his taxicab in the hot sun.
The taxi has been moved again, away from the overpass wall.
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Terral - October 31, 2007 02:51 PM (GMT)
Hi Preston:

The hypocrisy on display here makes it almost impossible to even come in the back door where the “Critical Analysis Of Terral's Pentagon Theories” ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=17264 ) thread is locked because, “This debate and rehashing of the same quotes and arguments could have been done in the numerous other threads re. the same thing. thread closed.”, but we need 10,000 “Lloyd-Bashing Light Pole” Threads stacked on atop the other and nobody says a single word. Try digging through the archives to fine just one “Criticial analysis Of Terral’s Pentagon Theories” Threads and then start identifying the tens or even hundreds of Light Pole threads making ready to receive a 1000 more. Lord-Have-Mercy - There is no standard like a big fat ugly double-standard. The funny part is these CIT Chat-Monkeys can harp on their Light Pole Fantasies day after day after day and everyone is happy, but my rebuttal will be deemed SPAM, because Terral said that two weeks ago on another thread. :0) Give me a moment to go and PUKE . . . Brrrrrrr . . . That’s better . . .

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Preston >>  Jason Ingersoll is a Navy photographer and was at the Navy Annex when the first explosions were heard at the Pentagon down the hill below. So Jason grabbed his camera and headed down the hill, running and snapping photos along the way. These first pre-collapse photos are at the top of the hill.


Nothing in Preston’s OP means anything, because Jason Ingersoll arrived at the Pentagon ‘after’ the 9:36:27 AM ‘second’ attack that transformed the ‘Just Smoke’ ( http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5751351276150910098 ) and “inside-the-building fires” ( http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hours_in_September.pdf ) E-Ring wall environment into the fiery inferno depicted in Ingersoll’s pictures. The time passing from the original 9:31:39 AM Decoy Plane / Missile Strike to the second 9:36:27 AM attack is only 4 minutes and 48 seconds passing between the events of these two joined pictures:

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Lloyd’s Taxi was struck by Pole #1 at 9:31:39 AM, as he was traveling south towards the Route 27 Cloverleaf overpass. The 9:31:39 Missile Bow Shockwave uprooted Pole #1 to propel it ‘north’ when the lens cap fell straight down to remain at the Pole #1 initial location. The Decoy Flyover Plane made a quick right-hand turn that tipped the starboard wing down to catch just the top arm section of Pole #1 and propel it ‘north’ at high velocity in Lloyd’s oncoming direction. The heavy weight of the ‘base end’ coupled with the quick ‘clipping’ action of the decoy starboard wing caused the main light pole shaft to be hurled north into Lloyd’s taxi windshield like a javelin with the pointy end entering Lloyd’s windshield, as he made the quick turn to his right to avoid the upper arm assembly bouncing in his direction coming down Washington Blvd. This ‘right-turn’ action created the bend in Pole #1 started when the decoy starboard wing ripped off the upper arm section, so the pole momentum caused it to wrap around the steering column and the left-side windshield/car door post between the car window and the windshield. A section of the windshield was ripped out from the force of the light pole that became a glove around the sharp edges, which impacted the seat just right to cause very little sign tearing of damage. Lloyd got out of the taxi to be joined by his helper, where they were wrestling with the pole, when just 4 minutes and 48 second later Lloyd is knocked down by the “Big Boom” of the second explosion taking place against the E-Ring wall behind him.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78448

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Lloyd, 69, began the morning of September 11, 2001 like most days, driving his taxi cab. A passenger in Rosslyn told him what had happened at the World Trade Center so he turned on his radio and headed home. As he approached the Navy Annex, he saw ‘a plane’ [9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane] flying dangerously low overhead. Simultaneously, the plane struck a light pole and the pole came crashing down onto the front of Lloyd’s taxi cab, destroying the windshield in front of his eyes. Glass was everywhere as he tried to stop the car. Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car. [4 minutes and 48 seconds pass] As they were moving the pole, they heard a ‘big boom’ [9:36:27 AM A-3 Jet attack] and turned to see an explosion [Terry Cohen’s ‘Terrible Explosion’]. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened.


Jason Ingersoll was ‘on his way’ to the Wedge One Pentagon Heliport Location during this entire 4 minutes and 48 seconds that Lloyd and his helper were wrestling with Pole #1. This is the same 4 minutes that Terry Cohen used in running to the E-Ring entry hole location, from just 100 feet away, to report “Just Smoke,” before she too ran away in fear of losing her life to report the “Terrible Explosion” coinciding with Lloyd’s “Big Boom.” Lloyd and his helper had already removed the light pole shaft from the windshield, before Jason Ingersoll arrived at the scene, which proves beyond all doubt that Preston has no case for Lloyd, the FBI or anyone else staging any light pole evidence before the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane knocked them down just five minutes before Lloyd’s “Big Boom.”

The reason these CIT guys are so blind about Lloyd being a good guy 911Pentagon Survivor is because they have no room in their broken theory for ‘two attacks’ taking place just under 5 minutes apart. They refuse to accept the 911Truth that the Pentagon was first attacked just before 9:32 AM ( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf ), according to the Official FAA Timeline. When they all finally wake the hell up and smell the coffee, then their videos will contain the evidence from Terral’s 'Two Attack' Pentagon Explanations taking place just under 5 minutes apart.

How much do you want to bet they take the credit for figuring things out. :0)

PS. Preston, your OP will not appear so trashy, if you post the links to the big pictures . . .

GL,

Terral

SPreston - October 31, 2007 03:30 PM (GMT)
In the first Ingersoll photo 03879 which shows the light pole base above the guardrail and just to the right of the 5th guardrail post to the left of our reference point, we also see that the Feds have the scene blocked in with at least 5 vehicles. The Lincoln taxicab and the big green SUV have the scene blocked from the north and the two walls have the scene blocked from the east and the dark car and the Cherokee have the scene blocked from the south. The Saturn is parked over the infamous #1 light pole base drag mark which extends across the road towards the far wall which borders the closed fast lane.
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In another photo, we see the Cherokee is in a different position and the Saturn is parked over the infamous #1 light pole base drag mark.
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In this famous photo showing the #1 light pole base drag mark extending across the road towards the far wall which borders the closed fast lane, we see the Saturn is parked at right angles to its previous position. Why are they moving the Lincoln taxicab along the road and why do they keep moving the government cars? If this is not staging a scene, then what is? - - Metcalf photo
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Does anyone see a 30' 247 lb lightpole sticking out of the Lincoln windshield in the below two Ingersoll photos? Does anyone doubt that the Lincoln was moved south by the Feds for the staged infamous photo op above?
03876 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail - - 03877 No pole through windshield-Still no fire trucks-No #1 base showing above guardrail

Another Metcalf photo showing the #1 light pole base in front of the right Saturn fender and no fire trucks at the Pentagon yet.
Another Metcalf photo

Another Metcalf photo showing Lloyd and his windshield without a light pole and no fire trucks at the Pentagon yet.
Another Metcalf photo

Lin Kuei - October 31, 2007 03:41 PM (GMT)
'Spreston'... this thread could have been easily fit into other existing threads, http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=18262 is one you created yourself. This section does not need any more spamming of the same rehashed pictures and debate from the same likely characters. It's like watching a tennis game.

Closed.




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