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interesting.

takes em right off, don't it? ;)

Also the interesting thing is there are no skid marks on the ground around the pole. Its just amazing.

i dont really see what this proves, but hey

Fucking no brains


THat's proves that the wing of flight 77 sould be on the ground after hitting the poles and most of the fuel sould be on the ground too.

Allegedly Flight 77 was flying much faster (OCT 530 mph), so the light poles acting as knives should have sliced off the aluminum wings more easily. Any other imaginary aircraft clipping the light poles with their aluminum wings would likely have gotten them sliced off also. But no wings or fuel from ruptured wing tanks on the lawn at all. No 100 tons of high grade aluminum 757 scrap metal lying around. No metal salvage company hired to haul it away. Nothing hit those light poles at the Pentagon because they were staged with slight of hand magicians' tricks. There was never any aircraft hitting the Pentagon. Just planted aircraft parts and planted DNA and staged events.
It is shameful how many gullible people got suckered by this BS. :D

Flight 77 = Bullshit Alert

now why would a light pole slice a wing off in that instance but not slice a wing off as flight 175 enters the wtc, intersecting steel columns 20-30 inches apart?

is it because one is traveling 540 mph at 700 feet above sea level. and the vibration of the entire plane at that speed melts/slices the columns apon impact?

it did shred the planes that hit the towers too.

what do you think there were 2 fully intact planes sitting in the middle of the floors or something?

forward momentum kept the debris traveling. the wings from flight 77 wouldn't have fell to the ground like rocks and neither would wings at the WTC.

this video shows what should have happened which is something that i have insisted on for years that the poles should have sheered the wings off.

much like the damage commercial airliners suffere when the wings hit birds or they get sucked into the engine. there was no plane flying down that south side of the Citgo station tearing up 5 different light poles and then maintaining enough control that it leveled off at about 5 feet from the ground.

it's funny, in the shanksville section i have people tell me it's impossible for a small little drone plane to manuever 20-40' off of the ground and then i come to the pentagon section where i am expected to believe a massive 757 airliner can manuever 5' off of the ground...... <_<

i also hope you're not trying to compare the massive steel used in building skyscrapers to a 250 pound light pole.

you are right. it would shred the wings and forward mo should take them inside in pieces.

does this same forward mo slice the columns like the light poles? are the alleged struck poles sliced?
or having no support at the top just flipped like battons towards loyd englands windscreen...................

Assuming aircraft actually did impact the Towers as alleged, likely the wings were sliced off at impact and shredded, but the mass of aluminum and fuel was already entering the building and the floor layers supported the mass as it decelerated into the interior. But there is something definitely not realistic about those WTC Tower impacts and the damage done to structural steel by aluminum aircraft. In the case of the light poles, the 100 ton aircraft still had hundreds of yards before it reached the Pentagon wall and needed its wings and engines to maintain lift and thrust/velocity. As the light poles sliced into the aluminum wings and fuel tanks at 530 mph and destroyed the aerodynamics of the wing surfaces, the massive 6 ton engines at full throttle would have ripped the damaged wings off themselves. At the very least, fuel would have spilled out all over the lawn which there was ZERO evidence of. Without one or both wings, the aircraft would have crashed upon the lawn, and perhaps bounced into the Pentagon wall. But there is ZERO evidence of that.

Assuming these imaginary 757 aluminum wings did hit the light poles, how did the light poles accelerate to 530+ mph in an instant in order to be thrown free of the 530 mph wings? How does a 530 mph bat squarely strike a 247 lb ball and knock it only a few feet? Shouldn't those light poles have been plastered to those wings at that speed, if not slicing into the wings or slicing right through the wings as the aircraft crash shows?

There is no doubt. An aircraft never hit those light poles. They were staged by hand. No Flight 77 757 crashed into the Pentagon. No smaller aircraft crashed into the Pentagon. Another aircraft flew the North of Citgo flight path and overflew the Pentagon. The light poles are critical to the OCT. The 9-11 planners trapped themselves into a corner. Their slight of hand magicians' tricks have been exposed and they have been outed as traitors. :D

The light pole could not have been twirling like a baton into the windshield of a 40-45 mph car. It would have had to have been hurled like a javelin. Any inertia from a twirling or wobbling effect would have ripped a much larger hole in the windshield. A 40-45 mph light pole could not possibly have been stopped by a leather backseat. Even if the light pole had been just suspended in mid-air, the impact with the taxi would have been 40-45 mph. The staged light pole event is just not possible. ;)

You are funny dude. What did the witnesses who saw the plane hit the building see? People from the south parking lot were right next to the pentagon. They had front row seats. They saw the plane hit the building.

I find it amazing when people are stupid enough to use Killtown's arguments in a discussion about reality.

At what speed is the plane travelling in your video? is it MUCH slower than the alleged speed of AA77?

and what possessed you to say both of these things in the same post?:

funny.

Suppose, hypothetically, that it was traveling even slower than it was. Suppose it was traveling at 10 miles an hour. Would that wings have come off at 10 miles an hour?

There was more than one person who saw the plane hit the building. You can't dismiss all of them.

Different plane, different poles, different height, different speed...

That wouldnt even register as disinfo if the title of the clip wasnt 'flight 77 debunked'... it would just be totally off-topic.

And what would be the point of faking lightpoles that defy physics?
I think that just makes us look stupid, but hey, nothing new...

There were people who thought they saw it hit, but it was really a flyover. There were some people who just flat out lied. But you don't care about that.

Excuse me?

Come on. You aren't still pushing that flyover theory. You say they thought they saw a plane. How would you know what they thought? They know what they saw. You can't just make up things to fit what you want to believe. People know what they saw. Why are some spending so much time on this no plane at the pentagon story? It is a losing argument. All evidence points to AA77 hitting the pentagon. The real story is in the govt's response on 9/11.

racerx says "makes us look stupid". racerx is trying to make you look stupid, watch :


racerx : was 9/11 an inside job?



racerx is not one of "us".

That's not what I said. Get it straight. ;)

People know they saw a plane fly north of the Citgo.

Yeah, "Us" looking stupid is nothing new to him. Strange words from a supposed truther.

Ok, so who is the moron that thinks hitting wooden light poles is analogous to hitting aluminum light poles designed to collapse under the pressure on an impact?

oh yeah moron, that's right. next i'll claim something silly like if a planes wing hits a bird the bird also damages the wing pretty severe even. i know, i do things like that because i'm a "moron".

:rolleyes:

So you do claim that a wooden light pole has the equivalent impact as an aluminum light pole that is designed to break away. Interesting ... I guess what ever you think supports your bullsh*t, run with it and ignore the evidence.

I guess a car moving at 20 mph can clip one of the aluminum poles yet a plane moving at 500 mph would have a wing sheared off ??

I think this plane was traveling a little faster than 20 miles an hour.



The reason the bird caused so much damage is BECAUSE the plane was traveling at a high rate of speed. How do you think one of those birds penetrated the cockpit?



Do you think that bird would've done that if the plane was doing 20 miles an hour?

Ok - strait answer - do you think the poles would have sheared off a wing o otherwise done significant damage so that the wings would not have been on the plane when it hit the Pentagon?

I think the wings should have been sheared off. At the very least, those poles would've done more damage than those birds.

Yes breakaway or not that plane was allegedly flying very close to the ground at over 400 MPH. Being hit by something would affect them. To what extent one can only speculate but make it 5 in a row and multiple on each wing allegedly then the most likely scenario is the wings would have suffered grave damage.

much like hitting a bird at over 400MPH does to the wings, cockpits, etc

I also believe turbulence from the plane would have played a far greater role affecting the traffic it allegedly just barely flew over top of.

If a 100 ton Jet could not take out the poles then what flying object is capable of taking them down and continue flying?

A hundred tons didn't keep those birds from punching holes in that plane. If birds can damage the wings then aluminum light poles should also be able to. Five light poles and two trailers, and the plane still flies straight? The trailers were not aluminum. The trailers were not designed to break away.

it would have taken the poles out as well but it would have simultaneously cause grave danger to the wings most likely destroying them as well.

What kind of birds were they?

The weight and mass of a goose would tear quite a hole in anything moving at a high speed.

The lightweight design of a light pole would not.

Anything short of tearing the wings off or taking off large sections of the wings is irrelevant. Again, if the plane did not take out the poles, what object capable of flight could do so and continue flying? The poles are designed to breakaway, unlike wooden utility poles.

it would shred the wings and rip the poles out of the ground both. both things would get destroyed and the plane would crashed before the building skidding into it and not leveling out at 5' off of the ground.

Lightweight? How do you figure? A bird might weigh 5 to 50 lbs. The 1/8" tube wall aluminum light poles weighed 247 lbs plus a 20 lb truss arm plus a 70 lb light head or 337 lbs total. Do you think the birds which severely damage aircraft are flying at 150 to 450 knots or are the aircraft? The birds are almost stationary, aren't they? Tubular aluminum is much more rigid and stronger than a bird. Could you pick that light pole up? How fast do you think the light poles would bounce off the alleged 757 wings without doing any damage? They would have to accelerate from zero to 530 mph awfully fast to prevent them slicing through the aluminum aircraft wings. Nah, no aircraft hit the light poles. No aircraft hit the Pentagon. No light pole flew through a windshield. No tired old man picked up one half of 247 lbs without scratching the hood. No piece of fuselage tore itself from its rivets. No hollow nosed fuselage which a bird can penetrate bored a hole through the reinforced Pentagon wall and E-D-C-rings. It is all a gigantic lie. :rolleyes:

Here are the dimensions:

So again, the poles that are designed to break away in a vehicle accident, preventing fatal injury when a car hits them are going to take off the wings or otherwise force a 100 ton get liner into the ground ... :rolleyes:

Why would the poles not break away, as oppossed to being ropped out of the ground? If the poles break away from a car going 20 mph, why would they not break away for the aircraft?

A car could keep driving, but the plane is doomed. :ph43r:

If there had been a 757 flying into the Pentagon and if the 757 wings had hit the 337 lb light poles at 530 mph, then the wings would have been sheared off and destroyed, and the remainder of the aircraft would have immediately lost its aerodynamic airfoil lift and the 100 tons of aircraft minus the weight of the wings would have immediately fallen onto the Pentagon lawn and skidded and bounced across the lawn into the wall. But none of that happened did it? Nobody among you silly OCTers can explain (nor do you even try to) how this aircraft of yours managed to miss the undamaged cable spools directly in its path. There is no explanation because there never was any aircraft impacting the Pentagon. :rolleyes:

Of course the 337 lb poles would break away from their bases if hit by 530 mph aircraft wings. But the lightweight birds don't even have break-away-bases and they still severely damage the aircraft, don't they? Do you think the damage to your car would be greater if you hit one of the 337 lb break-away light poles at 100 mph instead of 20 mph? How about if you hit the 337 lb break-away light pole at 530 mph? Do you think your steel framed car would just have a little dent in the front? :rolleyes:

Here are the dimensions:

Even if the wings were just severely damaged by the 337 lb light poles, the weight and torque of the engines allegedly at full thrust to maintain the 530 mph impact speed would have likely ripped the wings off and the aircraft without the airfoil aerodynamic lift provided by the wings, would have immediately fallen to the lawn and bounced and skidded into the wall. Just one wing lost would have accomplished the same thing. This Flight 77 OCT BS is just too silly to contemplate. :rolleyes: