The fact that this site and other 911 conspiracy sites and blogs are still running is evident that the government really doesn't care about the conspiracy claims.

They were willing to kill 3000 civilians, but they are not willing to shut down a few websites and kill off a few influential truthers (Avery, Jones, Killtown, Fetzer, Woods etc), or prevent truther protests.

Hmm so much so for the allegations of a police state, I mean you are accusing the government of murdering 3000 of their own citizens, yet they do nothing to stop you. Doesn't sound like a police state to me. I wonder what would happen if you went to Iran, North Korea, Russia, Myanmar or China and stood somewhere and accused the government of mass murder?

They were profficient enough to plan and execute a CD (or whatever - still no consensus on this) of WTC 1 and 2 and 7, but they are somehow inept at silencing the blogs and websites.

If a conspiracy does exist, websites, blogs and people like Avery could eventually lead to the exposure of the cover up. Why do they not bother, about doing anything about it.

Doesn't make sense.

Shutting down a website would do little to stop what we are doing. More sites would pop up in their place. Plus if the government decided to shut down sites dedicated to exposing the truth about 911 it would look very suspicious. It would just fuel truthers to spread the word more, and fight back. Something I'm sure the government doesn't want. Plus, think of all the hype 911 would get if these were known as websites that were frequently shut down by the government.

There is no need for the "gov'ment" to shut down any Truther sites. As it was predicted on 9-12-01, the 9-11 Truth movemant would be soo tainted by nutcase theories (NPT, Direct Energy Weapons, Vulcan-Klingon-Mossad Conspiracy), that any real facts the truth movemant came up with would be drowned in a sea of crap. Add a couple of Holocaust deniars and white supremacists and booya!!...You got a failed movemant.

According to the most recent Zogby poll, only 5% of the USA strongly believes that 9-11 was an inside job. Unless something monumental comes out, these numbers will not change.

A movemant that can only get 35 people to Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9-11..is not a movemant. It is a small bunch of people.

Arbor did you see the Thousands of people in NYC with Investigate 9/11 shirts on? Or are you blind?

And it's more in the 40-47% range of people in the US. 70% in other countries.

If you ask a vague enough question ("is the government telling us everything they know about 9/11") you can get a high percentage of people who "don't believe the government on 9/11.

If you ask people if they think WTC was a controlled demolition, you'll get 5%.

Thousands? Oh no, it was millions! Alex Jones said so.

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is whenever theres a poll about 9/11 40-60% say it we knew about it prior or it was a inside job. As for the bombs in the building part you maybe right. Most people on the street are just not informed like they should be about 9/11.

I dont think it was millions let alone 1 million. But the numbers I saw where up there in the thousands at least. Not sure if you beleave everything AJ says as truth but hay I'll take your word for it.

I'd day it was hundreds at best. Mysteriously small for a movement with 40-60% support.

Absolute bullshit.

In my country everyone I have spoken to about the so called 911 conspiracy just laughs. When I mention mini nukes, they fall on to the floor with laughter.

The first response I get, is that they probably believe the moon landings were faked as well.

No one even knows there is a conspiracy theory. I only found out about the conspiracy when one of my friends moved to the US. He was pissing himself laughing when he told me about it.

I started reading about the conspiracy soon after. That was a few months ago. It has been entertaining stuff.

They can't stop us old chum.

Close this down we move somewhere else.

You'd better believe it.

Question for you dumb ass.

Why do we have Al Jazeera in English on Rupert Murdoch's syndicated satellite TV channel?


THINK!

I will give you a really good reply on this thread later on ... right now I have to go to work. But I will tell you 3 things about me:

- My real name is Guy (a French name)
- I have brown eyes and brown hair.
- I am a construction worker.

You believe me? Don't you?

But of course you believe me, you have no reason to think I would lie on things like my name and my job and my eye color. And after all, I didn't lie. All of these things are true. More on this later, you will see how this is very relevant to what I want to tell you.

Cheers,
PepeLapiu :)

Basically here what you are saying is that the fact that this site exists and the fact that we are still alive and kicking prove that we are wrong.
But in fact this is a ridiculous assumption. There are millions of us and people like me didn't need Avery and other movies, web sites and researchers to wake up and realize that something was wrong with the official story.
So there are millions of us, if all of a sudden we were all to die 'suicided' or in a freak bath tub accident, that would raise a lot of attention, that would make people think that we were onto something. Killing us would in fact validate our point and raise too much attention. If all of a sudden you learned that a hundred of us died and our web sites, videos and research were all getting censored, you would start to believe that maybe we were right.

But there is a better way to make sure to contain the truth movement, they simply infiltrate us and take over the truth movement. This is a CIA technique known as "poisoning the well". All they have to do is infiltrate with a few people who make outrageous claims. People like TheWebFairy who claim that there were no planes, they were all holograms, people like Killtown who claim that there were no planes, they were all TV tricks added to the live feed in real time, people like David Icke who claim that Bush and the pope and the queen are all half lizards from an other planet, people like Tom Flocco who keep cranking out stories that appear true on the surface but all lies when you look at them seriously. people like Dave VonKleist who claim that there was a suspicious pod under the planes and a missile thrown into the WTC complex, people like Alex Jones who never mention the real perpetrators and blame the whole thing on some elusive Illuminati, people like Jim Fetzer who keep making ridiculous claims about how the WTC complex was destroyed with some sort of beam from space or some sort of deep energy weapons from the future. And the list goes on and on, all these people's job is to feed you with a constant diet of lies. They pile the wacky conspiracy theories on top of the truth until you can no longer tell what's the truth and what are lies. And yes, I believe that Avery and his crew have been influenced by these people, I believe that Avery's claims of switched planes, missiles in pentagon and many other claims were all distortions and mistakes.

So whenever the media brings up the truth movement, instead of bringing out the real truthers, they bring out the agents who infiltrated us, they trot out those movies which are full of distortions while ignoring those which are important and accurate.

It works like this - I'll make 3 statements about myself again and see how you feel about me now:

- My real name is Guy
- My eyes and hair are brown
- Last night I had sex with Paris Hilton on an alien spacecraft.

All of a sudden you see one ridiculous claim I make and you suddenly decide I am a kook and most likely everything I tell you, you decide that I am probably lying about that too. You decide that since I lied about Paris Hilton and the aliens I am probably lying about my name and my eye color.

All I had to do is slip one ridiculous and obvious lie in my statements and you suddenly dismiss everything else as lies as well. This is exactly what they are doing with the holograms theories, the no-planer theories, the missile in pentagon theories, the lizards from space and the rest of them. The whole idea is to pile up the lies and mix them up with the truth to make the truth look as bad as the lies.

They are doing something about it, just because it's not what you would expect them to do doesn't mean they are not doing anything. They perpetually promote stoopit theories and debate those stoopit theories while not really debating the more realistic truth. Don't you wonder why the mainstream media NEVER shows you these videos of WTC-7's collapse?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

I'll tell you what doesn't make sence: the idea that they would ever go around, kill us all and shut down all of our web sites. That would draw too much attention to us, so instead they just try to discredit us and so far it's working perfectly on you. You mention the truthers and here's who you name: Avery, Jones, Killtown, Fetzer, Woods etc.
In fact I have faith in only one person in all the names you named and that is Prof. Jones. I believe that Avery has been pushing unsubstantiated and ridiculous clams in all his movies up to now ..... the future will tell what's in the next one. He might have had good intentions but there was a lot of bad info in his previous movies. As for Killtown, Fetzer and Woods, they are all kooks spewing lies like DEW from space theories and no-planer theories. They are the liars who infiltrate the movement to make us look stoopit. Yet you bundle them all up with the rest of us.

If you want to see a serious movie, one that the media NEVER mentions, one that the media and Google keep sabotaging and hacking, have a look at 9/11 Mysteries here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

Unlike others 9/11 Mysteries does not delve in ridiculous claims, lies and distortions based on probably false information.

Do you remember how Oswald was an American who married a Russian and had spent some time in Russia? Well, Oswald was picked as a patsy so that people would be stirred to believe the Russians were involved in the killing of JFK.
Then Jack Ruby killed Oswald and they made sure Ruby had mafia connections so that people would be stirred to believe the mafia was involved.
Then rumors were spread around that Castro was involved in JFK's killing, then more rumors were spread that it was the ant-Castro Cubans, the Communists, the Vietnamese's and so one.....
All these were simple lies, they were planted into the population to blur the truth, to make people second guess themselves and to make the truth movement of the JFK years look more like a bunch of "conspiracy theorists" then serious researchers.

Today the same thing is going on with the 9/11 truth movement, only on a much deeper level. All those wild theories such as a missile in the pentagon, plane pods, holograms at the WTC, DEW weapons an micro-nukes are all lies planted into the truth movement to make us all look like "conspiracy theorists" rather then serious researchers.

Cheers,
PepeLapiu :)

Thank you for your comprehensive, civil and noteworthy reply to the question.

I'll agree with you 100% that if the government started mass executions of Avery etc and mass censorship, they would draw considerable attention to themselves.

It would be too late to do that now. But, they had ample oppurtunity in the infancy of the movement to do such things.

The truth movement has by and large gained its support through the internet. Yes, there are the rallies, but most people hear about this through the internet.

The conspiracists would be aware of this. They would have monitored the internet very closely and as soon as one site popped up, they would have taken it down.

They could have nipped the movement in the bud, while its numbers were low. Before any organisation could stand up. So that by 2006 or 2007, anyone who had questions, would only see the official story.

Yet, they have allowed it to grow. That is what does not make sense.

As far as the disinformation claims go. I'm sure 90% of the people here think I am an agent or part of the disinformation crowd. I have been called as such on some blogs and so forth. I of course find it so laughable, that people can dellude themselvs to such a degree, that as soon as they encounter someone who believes the official story they must be working for the USG. I don't even live in the same hemisphere as the USA.

It is true that disinformation would be a clever tactic to discredit the truth movement. I can't say for sure that Fetzer and co are disinfo agents. I have no proof either way. One thing is for sure, each side of the truth movement accuses eachother of being disinfo. Some people claim Dr. Jones is disinfo, because he doesn't support x,y and z.

The common denominator with the truth movement, is if another truther has different theories to yours, he is disnfo. And it is most definietely vica versa.

In - fighting is a serious problem with the movement. Thats why I always say, if the movement really wants to be taken seriously - decide on one version and stick with it. Then they can pool all resources into proving just that single claim. Much better than having 5% reading up on DEW, 19% trying desperately to proove mini-nukes and so on. Get 100% to prove CD, or whatever is decided upon as the general theory.

The reason Fetzer and Co are bundled into the same bag, is they all claim to support the truth movement, they all claim to have obvious proof and they all claim anyone against them is either disinfo, NWO or stupid. So who do we believe then? The reasons they cite for their beliefs are all the same. They all say - "you can obviously see from the video it is "insert conspiracy claim here"!" No one comes forward with peer reviewed papers. Scientific analysis. They all use youtube as proof. The methods used by the various conspiracy schools of thought are all the same. An argument from personal incredulity.

Your three statements that you make. I do not dismiss anything at face value. You may well have had sex with Paris Hilton. She is notorius at being "free with her favours". You could have had sex in some obscure Vegas motel called Alien spacecraft, for all I know. I cannot dismiss you as lying, until the facts are known.

Investigating the facts may lead us to realise that Paris was in Ulan Bator last night and you were in Timbuctoo. Therefore we could begin to dismiss your assertions as false. But, perhaps you had sex with some prostitute (NOT SAYING YOU DO!!!! JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION PUPRPOSES) called Paris Hilton who's house is called an alien spaceship. Until this avenue is also investigated and proved false, then can we only dismiss your claim as a lie. Does that make everything else you say a lie? NO. Until all your claims are investigated, then and only then can we make judgement on such claims.

One can never assume anything. I have been engaged in argument with Terrorcell about his chief witness, Susan, who claism she saw some wonder craft fly over Shankseville. The descriptions of the aircraft seem impossible - purely silent, flying very low doesn't disturb the trees around it (i.e. no jet blast ot turbulenece). I have never jumped out and said she is lying becuase what she sees is impossible. I have said what she describes is impossoible so I suggest she be re-questioned to clarify all her claims.

So every claim has to be taken with skepticism, investigated thouroughly before it can be taken as fact.

That is how I addressed Woods, Fetzer and Jones claims. However, it is getting tedious everytime I come across really stupid theories. There is some truther called Anonymous Physicist, who posts tons of crap relating to Mini-nukes at ALL the WTC buildings on Spooked 911's blog - http://covertoperations.blogspot.com

It is getting difficult to read further than his headline. He also posts tons of evidence to prove that the moon landings were faked. He claims every other version of the truth is disinfo. A very abusive individual I might add.

But in summary. I still find it surprising that if there was indeed a conspiracy, that the conspiracists let the movement ballon to this level. This does not mean it proves the conspiracy is false. I just find it any intereting point to debate on.

Yet, I will conceed, that (of course only if a conspiracy does exist) perhaps there is a deliberate disinformation campaign, with CIA agents that seek to diseminate some crazy theories aimed at discrediting the movement as a bunch of crazy individuals.
If this is the case Fetzer and Woods are pretty damned good CIA operatives. They are doing the job of giving the truth movement a bad name very well.

No problems.

Most of us truthers woke up on that very day. We didn't need websites and the such. I knew from the get go that things didn't add up. Before that day I was a normal tax payer like you, I believed my own gubment would never do such horrible things. But it hit me in the face when I saw the buildings come down that it was a C/D job. To this day I am amazed that you can look at 3 buildings coming down at the speed of free fall, turning two of the tallest buildings on earth into power and not realize it's a demolition. To this day I can not understand how you can look at WTC-7 and not realize it was a C/D job. We are millions and millions and most of us were aware from the get go. If we all dies on September 11th of a suicide bullet in the back of the head that would look way too suspicious. And to be honest with you, the internet is not our main medium. I hold church basement meetings with viewing of some movies and I offer free DVDs on the street to many strangers. This is in fact how I met my g-friend. On that very day I called my parents and my sister and I told them that things didn't add up. I thought the terrorists had planted bombs maybe. They called me crazy and still do. But if I had died of some weird suicide or some freak accident soon after I called them they might start to realize that lil' Pepe wasn't so crazy after all.

Most of the truthers were truthers from the get go. And also, I would say that 90% of those at the top of the truth movement are controlled or they are agents. So a lot of what you see on the net, especially from the heads of the truth movement, they are lies and distortions.

Dude! There are millions and millions of us, google "9/11 conspiracy" and find out for yourself. Killing us all or silencing us all would just make too much noise, even if it was done at the very beginning. The best way to marginalize us is to discredit us, make sure the real truthers never get heard on the TV's and radios and only the lunatics get heard and seen. What you are proposing is simply too large an operation, it is too difficult and would raise too much attention, even if it was done the next day.

As it is anyone who has questions will either look on TV and find nothing or look on the net and 90% of that is all wacky stuff like deep energy weapons, holograms, no-planers, pod-planes, half lizard men from space, and putting the blame squarely on the American gubment while ignoring the real culprits.

Well, I am sorry that the only way I can convince you is by getting killed .... if that's the case I hope you never get convinced. You don't have to be so paranoid, nothing is going to happen to you if you become a truther and see the world around you for what it really is.

I think 90% is a rather high number .... bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?

Imagine for a second that you went out with 5 of your buddies for a week-end. You know that one of you is a serial killer but you don't know which one exactly. Soon enough you are all going to point the finger at each other and get really paranoid. This is an other negative effect of the spooks infiltrating the movement, it divides us and it makes us all paranoid. I for one don't think you are a spook. You would not waste your time posting these messages, you would be busy cranking out false movies, false web sites, false books and creating false evidences and false articles.

We have a funny saying: "Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me and watching me" .... just a joke! But yes, this is a problem, everyone pointing the finger at each other. There are no CIA agents in my closet or in yours either. They are shown to us on TV and the likes. They reach millions, they don't crawl around my attic. I am too unimportant for them to worry about little ol' me.

That's not my case. I have spoken with many many truthers and none of them wear black suits and black sunglasses. I believe the disinfo agents are at the top of the movement, and yes, a very large number of those at the top are disinfo agent. After a while we don't know who to trust anymore or what information to believe. You have to use your brains my friend, not regurgitate what others tell us, and we have to verify every fact we come across.

What you are saying makes sense but it is much harder to accomplish then you think. Imagine trying to organize and coordinate millions of people when the top portion, the leaders of the movement, are made up of many disinfo agents and agent provocateurs who's sole purpose it is to stir trouble and doubt.
To divide and conquer my friend, the ones who pull the strings love to divide us in order to better control us and conquer us ...... does that make sense to you?

Since the dawn of times it's always been a fight between the elite and the poor, there have been governments overthrown, rebellions, revolutions, coup d'etat and so one...... The fight between the rich and the poor has always existed. Only to avoid this they set us up fighting against each other, they set it up so that the blacks and the whites are fighting, the Communists and the Capitalists are fighting, the Republicans and the Democrats are fighting, the no-planers and plane hugers are fighting, the Christians and the Muslims and so on ..... The oldest trick in the book - to divide and conquer so that we forget who the real enemy is - the elite.

Since the dawn of times, the rich has been trying to enslave the poor. Only this time it's different, this time they have the control of the education system, they have the controls of the weapons, they have the controls over the information we get. It's never been effective to enslave the people with the whip, they eventually rebel. So this time it's a new kind of fight because it's not your body that is being assaulted and they are not using a whip. This time it's your mind that is being assaulted and they are using your schools and your TVs - a war against our minds, a war of information - total brain washing.

Well, I am not going to feed you any of my opinions, rather I would prefer to let you decide for yourself. I offer my info and I invite you to dispute it. So here I want you to look at the live footage from that day. The unchanged footage with the voices of the original reporters. Look at the following compilation and tell me what that looks like to you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

How do you think a building that has had fires on only one side and debris damage on that same side can fall so perfectly vertically onto itself inside 6.5 seconds as free fall speeds? I am not feeding you any conspiracy theories here, I am merely asking you how did that building collapse? Why is it that no matter where you live in the world, your TV doesn't show you these videos and doesn't talk about that building?

I think you understood the point I was trying to make.

Sometimes the trees can block your view of the forest. You need to look at the big picture as the devil is in the details. Who cares that #93 was an alien ship, who cares that there was a missile in the pentagon or a hologram in the WTC?
All these people all agree that WTC was demolished with explosives, only those who are disinfo agents will try to stir the movement away from that. Yes they will agree on the demo job but they will try to talk about missiles, pods under planes, deep energy weapons, holograms, alien spaceships, lizards from space ....... can any of this stuff exist? ...... I don't know and I don't care. WTC was demolished, anyone who tires to tell you otherwise is a fool or an agent. Anyone who wants to take you away from that aspect and throw you into wild debates about science nobody is really sure exists or not, is either a fool or an agent.

Really who cares what sort of explosives they were using? TNT, C-4, thermates, DEW, alien space beams ...... who the fuck cares? We might never know how the WTC was precisely demolished, the simple fact is it was demolished. Again, the devil is in the details.

I am not accusing him of anything, but it sounds like he does a fine job of filling up the truth movement with bullshit, discrediting us and keeping us in-fighting ......

Yeah, we have grown, but you admit it yourself that we are divided, with a lot of apparently wild claims and wild conspiracy theories. The truth movement is full of lies, discredited and divided ..... exactly where they want us to be. A large movement but not a united movement, not a credible movement, not by any means a danger to them...... for now anyway.

But on some level I enjoy watching them try to discredit us, watching them trying to split us apart, watching them infiltrate us. It means that they are scared of us, it means that we are gaining grounds, it means that we will let the truth be known eventually.

Cheers dude and keep your stick on the ice,
PepeLapiu :)

You serious control the internet? You bring one website down 100 other websites pop up.. It makes no sense controlling the movement on the internet but this makes sense. Make fun of them on the main stream media and call them freaks, retards, morons, uneducated fools, jew haters,...



Im sorry but this aint no smoking gun :)