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Title: Nist Photo L-22a A Fake?
Description: fire on floor 22 timeline


chris sarns - October 14, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
Here's what i have so far.

If you know of any other photos or screen caps of floors 18, 22, 29 and 30, and the time is known or can be ascertained, please post them.

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4th window from corner on floor 30 is intact

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4th window from corner on floor 30 still intact
1/2 of first window on floor 22 is broken and smoke is coming out

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4th window from corner on floor has 30 burned out
First 2 windows on floor 22 have burned out

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Floor 22 is on fire again on the west face

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Floor 22 is still on fire on the west face

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waterdancer - October 15, 2007 03:06 PM (GMT)
This one looks like an uncropped version of the 12:28 Spak pic
http://911pictures.com/images/previews_lg/911-1334.jpg
Natchway's shattered pic looks like a similar position but a bit earlier than your 3:30 pic. A higher res. version of the 3:30 shot seems to be available for purchase here, but I haven't seen it.
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/8.html
Only one or two of the pics in the LofC collection show down to the 22nd floor, and then it's just barely visible through a dent in WTC 6's roofline. Those are early on in the day pics. Some of the others may be of use as well for timing purposes.
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/ppmsca/02100/02121/0140v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/ppmsca/02100/02121/0141v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/phpdata/pageturner.p...msca&item=02121
Those slide pics can be downloaded in 34MB Tiffs, but I'm not sure how much actual detail that will add (as opposed to say visible dust and hairs on the slides)

This one is probably in a similar time period to the 12:28 shot, I think
http://911pictures.com/images/previews_lg/911-1330.jpg
This one only shows a bit of floor 22
http://911pictures.com/images/previews_lg/911-1824.jpg
I'm guessing higher res. versions of those can still be purchased from 911 pictures, but once again, I haven't seen them and am not sure if they would really add anything much in higher res.

Sunlight on the steel beam may help to give the time stamp on the various incarnations of this Spak shot (which doesn't show much of the 18th floor, but I'm being thorough):
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winston...mages/Fig5a.jpg
This seems to be about the most complete version of it

I don't know if anyone has gone through the Day of Disaster torrent looking specifically for shots of these floors, but I know there are at least a few in there. See this thread:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=12603

And, as a bonus, while I was on this mission, I ran into a lower SW corner view pic which has somehow escaped notice in the various analysis threads of that area which I've seen.

Somewhere there no doubt exists an uncropped version of NIST's Figure L-22 which would look something like this at this resolution or higher. But I haven't seen it.

waterdancer - October 16, 2007 02:39 AM (GMT)
Here's another McCurry pic taken at around the same time as the other one I think. It shows a slightly better angle on the west face.
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx...SGBT=T&DT=Image

chris sarns - October 16, 2007 11:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (waterdancer @ Oct 15 2007, 07:39 PM)
Here's another McCurry pic taken at around the same time as the other one I think. It shows a slightly better angle on the west face.
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx...SGBT=T&DT=Image

Thank you for the help

I put everything i have from this set in what i believe is chronological order.

Note fire in the middle of the west face on the 18th floor.

The first 2 photos were taken sometime earlier.
[WTC 6 fire not being fought, a lot of smoke on upper floors upper floors.
setback shadow on left = before 2 pm.
Do you have or can you find a higher res of theses and/or other photos taken in that earlier set?

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This one [below] seems a little sharper than the one i have been using [above]
Your thoughts?
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chris sarns - October 16, 2007 11:49 AM (GMT)
Arie

Can you get a screen capture of floor 22?

This one just cuts it off.

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One or two frames either way might show floor 22.

Do they give the time the video was taken?

Thanx

Chris





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