I know that Flight 93 is very important to some people; a friend of mine lost a family member aboard, in fact. So let me just state at the outset that I am not in any way trying to diminish the tragedy of those who died in this part of 9/11. What I did want to discuss was Flight 93's relevance to proving that 9/11 was an inside job.

I for one don't really see it. If Flight 93 was shot down, all it indicates to me is that somebody was actually doing their job right. Three other crashed jetliners had just caused a massive amount of death and mayhem, and halting further mass destruction by shooting the plane down would have been justified, however hard that decision may have been. Covering that up is not really in the same ballpark as covering up the deliberate orchestration of the overall event. What do other folks think?

It definitely proves a cover up and the government's manufacturing of the CVR & FDR data. It proves they manipulated the events of 9/11 psychologically to their advantage and used that to mislead the American people into war.

I would say that's some pretty damning circumstances and worthy of causing a new investigation to examine whether or not this administration manipulated other aspects of 9/11 to their advantage or perhaps completely lied about those aspects as well.

The only definite proof I see here, is that the passangers definitely fought back and were able to force the hijackers hand causing the plane to crash before it reached its intended target.

It proves that people can rise up and take control of a difficult situation, when they are faced with terrible odds. It proves people are willing to die for a greater purpose. They were willing to die, to prevent the death of probably hundreds more.

What hijackers?
There never were any.

No hijackers???

Then what were the passangers talking about on their phonecalls to family members?

Do you claim the phone calls were faked?

Really?

Definite proof you say?

Well then how about you present the CVR recording since the trial of Moussaoui is over for confirmation?

So you believe Ed Felt's 911 phone call @ 9:58 about an explosion and white smoke in the plane is true then, right?

From the CVR I found here - http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...on/P200056T.pdf

There appears to be a definite attempt by the passangers to gain entry to the cockpit from about 9:53 to the end.

Numerous phone calls made, make specific reference to fighting back at the hijackers.

At 9:58, the intensity of the passangers actions appear to be quite pronounced, as hijackers are sounding more and more desperate as they try to hold the door closed to the passangers.

Interestingly the same time as Ed Felt's phone call.

I did however come across this article where people who actually heard that call state the following -
Earlier reports have said that a previously unidentified passenger, Edward Felt of Matawan, N.J., said in a 911 call from a restroom that he saw a puff of smoke and heard an explosion, leading some to cite this as evidence that the plane was shot down by the military to prevent it from crashing into sensitive targets. But the 911 dispatcher, John Shaw, and others who have heard the tape, including Mr. Felt's wife, Sandra Felt, say he made no mention of smoke or an explosion when he said, ''We're going down.''

Sourced from here - http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...n=&pagewanted=2

I do not think the phone call is indicative of a mid air interception.

FDR shows all aircraft systems were functioning normally.

I do believe the call is true, but as is with thousands of other quotes it has been changed to suite conspiracy theories.

The fact that it was a cell phone call, means the plane was already at a low altitude. So why was it engaged at this altitude? Why not at a high altitude? Why did it fly to this low altitude?

Hi Operator Kos with the Mamba Dancer mentioned:

This Flight 93 case is slam-dunk testimony for 9/11 being an Inside Job, which explains the lack of attention by serious writers on these 911Truth Topics. My very first post on most 911Truth Boards is my “Flight 93 Never Crashed Near Shanksville” thesis paper ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14794 ), because the visual photographic evidence is simply too powerful to deny.



My Flight 93 debating adversaries like to yell “SPAM” over the introduction of these “Official Government Exhibit” pictures, because obviously they have nothing in their bag of tricks to combat such overwhelming evidence that Flight 93 Never Crashed Here in this empty field. The fact is that this Flight 93 case as fewer pictures than any other, because there was simply nothing to photograph. There are only so many ways to take pictures of an empty hole. :0) The fact that anyone can see a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/boeing2.jpg ) crashed in this empty field is a testament to the power of the Deluding Influence (2Thessalonians 2:11) at work in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2).

No sir. The real bad guys knew there were no Bearded Jihadist Radicals on ANY of these planes, but the order was given to shoot Flight 93 down ( http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html ) anyway. Half of your mind is saying “9/11 Was An Inside Job,” but the other half is pretending Bearded Jihadist Radicals really hijacked Flight 93, when that is NOT the 911Truth at all. Many people were murdered aboard Flight 93 and each innocent life is just as precious as any other.

No sir. 9/11 Was An Inside Job! Or are you forgetting that again? :0) Practically NOTHING is as it appears for any of these 911Truth cases with Flight 77 Never Crashing Anywhere Near The Pentagon ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14796 ) either. The “Inside Job” bad guys murdered all these Americans and created the “Jetliner HOAX” in each case to allow Federal Bushie Administration/FBI Jurisdiction over ‘all’ these 9/11 cases where the real bad guys have been policing themselves for more than six years now. Senor Bushie just says, “Flight 93 crashed into that empty hole” and everyone is supposed to bow down and worship. Senor Bushie says “Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon” and you are supposed to bow to the king of this universe and show loyalty to his murdering cohorts at the very same time. If you cannot sit in that chair and look at this picture . . .



. . . to see an empty hole, then the god of this world (2Corinthians 4:3+4) has another blind walking zombie running around doing his bidding.

I think you are missing the point of standing in defense of ‘the’ 911Truth without due respect for the victims slaughtered in these merciless attacks from powers working within our own government. The fact that Senor Bushie and his cohorts can stand upon a podium and regurgitate these LIES is enough to earn them all a very low place in the fires of hell and the lake of fire. For these “Inside Job” terrorists to carry out these murderous attacks against innocent American Citizens AND then to run this “Cover-Up Operation” is more than We The People can bear. Waking up to ‘the’ 911Truth is to become furious with rage over the complete injustice and evil predatory darkness working in the hearts and minds of the real Bad Guys carrying out these 9/11 attacks AND those running the current Cover-Up Operation. The idea that the real Bad Guys only covered up their missile strike on Flight 93 appears a bit naive, if you do not mind me saying . . . Let’s try one last time:



Okay. What do you see in that empty hole? :0) Since we both see an empty hole, then Senor Bushie’s comments should agree with ours 100 percent. Otherwise he is guilty of much more than simply telling tales . . .

BTW, Hamba is doing the Mamba ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/funny.gif ) in protest. Heh . . .

GL,

Terral

I have a question. The coroner for shanksville - whats his name wallace miller? he first went on record saying he stopped being a coroner after 20 minutes b/c there were no bodies. since then i had yet to hear otherwise. tonite, whilst arguing 9/11 i was told by an official story-er, that miller retracted this statement later - then another posted this link that miller said he had identified 11 bodies.click here for article. whats the real story here?

be easy, i come in peace :)

Miller is alleged to have identified 12 bodies positively. He is then alleged to turn (only) some DNA samples over to the Armed Forces DNA Lab who identify the rest while Miller still (for some odd reasons) keeps 3 caskets of "unidentifiable remains" (that for some reason he didn't give to the DNA lab).

Perhaps he identified as many as he needed to see fit, but this does not excuse the conflict of interest. If this had been sent to many additional labs for corroboration, I would feel easier about these DNA samples.

Terral--

I am certainly open to the idea that 93 was shot down, or that perhaps there was a bomb aboard, but there is a substantial amount of evidence that many if not all of the hijackers were real:

The Alleged 9/11 Hijackers - Complete 9/11 Timeline

I also believe that 77 did hit the Pentagon, but we can talk about that in a different thread.

we are confusing two different things - two differnet meanings of "Flight 93"

there is "flight 93, the actual Plane and flight" -- which i refer you to WoodyBox and JohnDoeII (google their blogs) for analysis of timeline, flight path(s) etc, and phone calls and more.

and the second 93 is "FLIGHT 93: THE AMERICAN LET'S ROLL HEROES"

Parts of the true flight 93 story have been blended with myth, and outright fabrications to create the 'Flight 93 hero story'

this emotional attachment to the "first shots of WW3" as bush said, blinds us to analyzing and scrutinizing the data (which is confusing, btw!)

the "hero" story was in fact first BORN at 10:06am by Dick Cheney in the PEOC, when, beign told that UA93 was down, or crashed, said "i think an act of heroism just took place on that plane" --

we belived in the Let's Roll and phone call stories because WE WANTED TO BELIEVE.

and then they made not one but TWO MOVIES ABOUT IT. one for TV. one for the cinema -- again, why so important?

"It's the PsyOp, dummy!"

the UA93 "lets Roll" hero story tells us the myth about 'americans fighting back' - it allows us to see a silver lining in the 9/11 story.. and programs us that 'we must fight back against muslim terror to win' --

and it was damn effective -- and still is - for 90+% of the population.

I am afraid that the Let's Rolll passenger takeover is by far the most clever, most essential, most crucial part of the entire 9/11 pyschological operation.

"let's roll" definitely wasn't being yelled on the plane Ed Felt was hiding in the bathroom of so he could make a phone call.

I'm still not clear on the phone calls.

The aircraft "used" in 2001 .. may or may not have had seat-back phones.

Cell phones in 2001 ... may or most likely may not have been able to connect at flying altitude.

There are far too many discrepancies for me to place any weight whatsoever on things supposedly said by passengers on the alleged fated planes...

... and especially since the premier testimony of supposed passenger Todd Beamer was reported ONLY second-hand by the operator's recollection. No recording was made. There is NO RECORD (objectively speaking) that Todd Beamer ever made a phone call from Flight 93 whatever.

And the guy in the bathroom.. there has NEVER been an airphone in a bathroom, so this chap, if he made a call, would have had to use a cell phone and honestly, I still can't get a cell phone connection in 2007 at altitude -- so how in hell did he do it?