Hello One and All...
Have anyone wondered where all the passengers are, from the supposed airlines that crashed into WTC's???

Here goes, just don't hate because of the truth, don't shoot the messenger.

All of the individuals on those flights where given a choice and hand selected by our Admin, new id, new face, new life and money. How many people do we know that would take the opportunity to do this??, more than you'd think. Just think for a moment, your family if you have one will be well taken care of, if you have any debt it will be erased and you get to live the life you only dreamed of.

Do any of you believe that the black boxes went missing of just burned up??, negative and the ones that were intact were not the real black boxes. How convenient that all the black boxes went up in smoke except the one in PA?? Since when is it possible for a bunch of hijacker's to get past a bunch of people with box cutters and not worry that they may get stopped...it never happened before 9/11 and never will again, sorry I'm not afraid of box cutters, nor will I ever be.

The Bush Admin had everyone in place, that needed to be in place..this was a well thought out plan from the beginning . The willing went with the Admin on this, why the pay off to family's so high??, ask yourselves this. Our fighting military don't even get a quarter of the money that all the Surviving family members got from the WTC or the supposed passengers...why is that...hush money comes to mind. Just don't ask any questions and you'll be taken care of for life, boy, that sound's really tempting doesn't it.

Remember the old joke, if an American plane with American's crashed in Canada where do you bury the survivors??? Yeah, you don't bury survivors period.

One day a person that lost a loved one will be on vacation in a foreign country and see a person that looks very familiar, but they just won't be able to put their finger on it and realize that 'Hey that guy/gal looked a lot like my sister,brother,uncle,father,mother ( add anyone you want ) but the pain is still raw and they can't look at them without feeling some pain and write it off as a doppleganger.

I am truly sorry to those that have lost loved ones during 9/11/01 and may peace be with you.

If anyone of the survivors are Truth Seekers, maybe after six years you are ready to do some digging around and look into the person you have lost and start connecting the dots.

To those that lost loved ones on the ground, I am truly sorry for your loss and nothing I say or do will make it easier for you. I will not forget nor will the future generation.

I would like to hear other's and their idea's about what happened to the passengers of all the flights in regards to WTC and Pentagon. This will get very interesting.

I don't think anyone really thinks they are alive or were given new identities...

this is almost as far-fetched as the no plane theories... But I don't mean any offense to you or mean that you shouldn't voice your opinion. It just sounds too crazy of a theory, and there is really nothing to back it up.

Evidence of this claim?

Not many, from my perspective. You'd have to be running from something pretty serious to agree to such a thing. Sure, such an offer may be appealing to many people on its surface, but once you start considering that you'll never see your wife, husband, kids, parents, friends and family again ... and worse, you'd leave some of them grieving for perhaps the rest of their lives... i don't think too many people are that cold, selfish or cruel. (And this comes from someone who considers himself to be much more cynical than most!)

But I've played with similar possible scenarios myself. If there were any shenanigans with 9/11 passengers, I'm more inclined to think they were rounded up and shot than made a financial offer. (Bullets are cheap and dead folks don't make a peep!) Or perhaps some of the identities were fabricated. I've often wondered why we only hear from a handful of "passenger" families....Beamer and a few others... .. which is the basis of my curiosity over the Victims Compensation Fund.....who got paid and how much? I also once read an article on 911 victims vs. "expired" Soc Sec numbers.....i forget what it concluded, but there were some oddities there.

either that, or they were on the planes and died the way the gov says. Remember just because the gov lies about many aspects of 9/11, it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING they said is false. There had to be enough truth in their claims to have them be believable by the masses.

but I do agree that if the planes were swapped (which isn't really necessary) that the people on them would have been eliminated and DNA used to prove they were on the flights later...

I think you have touched on one of the great unexplored areas of 9-11 research.
I wish there was a website devoted entirely to this subject, where every bit of research into any of the "passengers" could be collected.

It is often pointed out that if there were [forbidden subject], then there were no real passengers either.

but then you'd have to prove that the [forbidden subject] had some merit first, which it absolutely does not.

Because most people maybe prefer to greive in private. Kudos to those families who have shared their tragedy and helped put a face to the horrors of that day. I can't imagine how difficult that would be.

But I certainly don't hold it against any surviving family members for not discussing their loss publicly. They are already in a situation which will never give them closure. The world watched their friends and loved ones get murdered. Every time the families of those on board see flight 175 hit the south tower, they are watching their son, husband, father, mother, daughter, grand-daughter die. Every time the families of those in the towers see them crumble, they're watching their loved one die.

That's public enough in my opinion.

ETA: Seeing all the quotes around "passengers" makes me sick. You all say you're in this for the victims, but anytime those victims' existence poses a threat to the latest pet theory, you all have no problem writing them off.

I think a data base of info on passengers could at the very least clear up some misconceptions, it could also open a new can of worms.

Another of the question marks in my head for years concerns a group of children who were traveling with a National Geographic group, killed on Flight 77 at the Pentagon. There just seemed to be a lack of reporting on that aspect, when ordinarily the media would pounce all over a 'dead kids' story. Does anyone ever recall seeing parents or teachers, etc of those kids interviewed?

Yes.

The father of Bernard Curtis Brown (age 11) who worked at the Pentagon has been interviewed.

I believe there was even a time when the LTW postulated that, as he worked at the Pentagon, he knew about the plot and knowingly put his son on Flight 77, but then conveniently went off to play golf that day.

I could be wrong on that though.

the idea that there are no passenger and no planes are both similar, because there's too much evidence that the people existed and the planes were there. Many people spoke out saying they new passengers, the passengers had funerals etc. They were real people. And the planes were real. NY is to full of spectators to shoot a missile and claim it was a plane.

thanks for the info, hbg

Yes, many of them. I believe National Geographic did a piece on them also. And look up Bernard Brown, Jr. Unfortunately Dylan made some unkind speculation about him, which I think he apologized for. But he's real, and so was his son. Many of these people have appeared publicly at ceremonies and memorials. A friend of my familie's was on flight 175.

The thing is, once you start with this line of reasoning, or lack of reasoning, you have to explain so many things, like the DNA that was collected by hundreds of people and processed by hundreds more, and the personal effects recovered by hundreds of other people. And how all those people from different backgrounds who "needed" to be whisked away accomplished that while making it look like their flights were part of their normal routine, without a single family member knowing or suspecting they were in trouble.

This argument really pisses me off. It's thoughtless and cruel and it causes people with legitamate questions about 9/11 to get lumped in with nuts in the eyes of the public.

What could possibly make people hate you more than to say that the 9/11 victims were paid off and are off sipping Margaritas on an island somewhere? Suppose you had a loved one who was murdered, and a group of people publicly claimed that they were in on a big hoax, and that they're off living comfortably somewhere?

Please don't do this. Its just wrong.

pay attention asshole.

we're all rebuking the OP for starting this thread and showing that we do not support his/her theory.

I think the more relevant quesiton is "how could you get people to argue more on the loose change forum than to suggest that you are a truther and post a topic about how the passengers are paid off and sit back and watch the confusion and chaos expand exponentially"

that's what the OP was doing, no doubt.

AA 11 and UA 175 landed at Stewart AFB. UA 93 landed in Clevland. God knows what happened to AA 77. Black boxes at the towers is fake. i don't believe they ever found black boxes at the towers... this story was planted in the movement though 911truth.org

I agree- this isn't something that should be speculated on without evidence. It's serves no purpose other than to give debunkers something to bang their keyboards over.

Whatever it was that happened to the passengers, it would have to fit within the crash/CD evidence that we know to be true. Regardless of how many phone calls were made (or any other details about the passengers), the laws of physics still apply -- the passengers do not make an unassisted collapse of WTC1/2/7 any more possible.

This is not a theory...it is not even a valid hypothesis. It is a fantasy.

People really should be mature enough to back up their claims with some sort of evidence. Otherwise they are just pissing in the wind.

"hush money comes to mind. Just don't ask any questions and you'll be taken care of for life, boy, that sound's really tempting doesn't it."

Too bad they didn't give them shit.

Were you putting quotes around "passengers"?

No. So calm the fuck down.

ETA... I can see how my post could be seen as referring to the entire truth movement. I was only referring to those who are under the impression that those who died on the flights either didn't exist or were bought off.

I am not here to hurt anyone....just questioning the Bush Admin and asking people to think. What I wrote is not beyond comprehension, it has been done in the past and it will happen again.

You will never see me put down lost family's and individual's from WTC and the Pentagon, my purpose is to make you think of all possibilities and all I ask is this QUESTION EVERYTHING, DO NOT LEAVE A STONE UNTURNED.

Please do me and everyone a favor, before you blast someone's opinion please read everything they wrote, don't take things out of context, that's just BOGUS.

I thought the people that post here are opened minded and willing to consider all the alternatives to find the TRUTH.

So I guess all those that have turned up missing and later found ( only some ) from the KATRINA CATASTROPHE is also just made up, come on people. People walk away from their lives everyday and if you don't believe me check out the missing person website and look at all those that walked away from their life. It Happens....

Good Luck in your Quest for the Truth, my quest has never ended with BOGUS Stories.

I'm wondering if the fact that I picked a female Avatar for my profile has gotten a bunch of guy's to have their tighty whities in a bunch...

No, Sorry your assumption is wrong, I am not here to create Chaos or Havoc. My purpose is that all those that are here is for one purpose and that is to find the TRUTH.

Yo, look-up...what is your purpose here???? I have read some of your posts and it seems that you are one of those people that go back and forth about your views, unlike me I stick to what I say and stand behind my words...please don't take this wrong, I'm just wondering that is all. Please do not take this as a personal attack.

Last but not least...to those that think it is funny to put up a track on their post, go away, how would you like it if I did that...right, you wouldn't like it one bit, you're just as bad as BIG Brother...get over yourself, or better yet, I hear that the NSA is looking for a few good A**holes maybe you could get a job with them. DDT - OUT

So the pilots of those aircraft, as well as the air traffic control staff and ground crew and EVERYONE within sight of the airstrip at the base that day, is either in on it or has been coerced into silence? Also, just because you think something such as the black boxes were faked means nothing without evidence.

Oh as for the Shanksville black box being the only found, maybe it's because that was the only plane that wasn't smashed into a steel and concrete structure? There's no way you'd find the WTC ones intact after that mess.

in loose change, there was a segment where flight 93 - the real flight 93, had allegedly landed in ohio and the passengers were taken to an empty (govt?) hangar.

i dont believe that with all the conflicting info that this concept would be an impossible theory.

but i am protest to the idea that 'offers to comply with the lure of money, erased debt etc' was welcomed - and many of those families arent well off or "taken care of" as a result of 911. there were people with families, children - hundreds on those planes with a conscience. alot doesnt make any sense. i.e. would every passenger be a willing participant? thats subject to debate. would our govt threaten or intimidate those passengers? sure why not - they killed close to 3 thousand that day, and injured/maimed hundreds more.

what about brain washing? these passengers could have been taken somewhere and drugged with mind altering chemicals and left in some 3rd world country. but then there is always the risk of one of them surfacing. another gruesome possibility is that, they 'got rid of the passengers'. once again, 3k were casualties of the govts master plan, so this isnt really way off the mark here either.

the truth will prevail. it always does.

even though they may have been the biggest offices fires in history they were only burning for a short time, like in the documentary it shows us other high rise steel framed office fires that burned for hors and hours and still DID NOT collapse. and thats another point the WTC did not collopse it was blown into tiny tiny fragments not one office chair desk filling cabinet NOT ONE THING was left.

a burning building of steel would tumble down NOT crumble down. :angry:

so on any of the planes with passengers were there any children or babies? it just so happened to be all adults? <_<

Were these other buildings struck at high speed by large commercial airliners? Did these other buildings suffer falling debris from the collapse of two nearby massive skyscrapers?

Take a look at this picture:



Notice the yellow circle; it is surrounding a piece of artwork by Fritz Koenig called "Sphere", which was the only large monument to survive the collapses. Notice the size of the steel sections lying around it. Now, to provide a sense of scale, here is a picture of the damaged "Sphere" at its new location in Battery Park, circa 2005:



"Tiny fragments" is hardly an accurate representation of the World Trade Center debris.

Also, why are you bringing this up on the forum for the topic of the passengers? Wouldn't this be something to discuss in the WTC area?

Actually, a total of eight children were aboard the hijacked flights. Five children were on American 77, aged 3 to 11, and three were aboard United 175, ages 2, 3, and 4.

Also remember that these were Tuesday morning flights during the school year. Not a lot of children could be expected to be flying during that time.

You have not one shred of evidence to support this lunatic theory.

Until you do it's probably just best to be very quiet and concentrate on doing something else with your time.

Erm, could you be more specific about who and which theory you are addressing?