:o Holy Smoking Guns, Batman

This guy called Timothy McNiven says he helped scenario plan 9-11 for... the US Army in the 1970's

This guy has been trying to get his story heard, has passed Polygraph tests and even has a RICO suit against Bush.

This guy is asking for assistance in getting the word out - which is why I'm posting the link.

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com

Here is what he did - totally jaw-dropping stuff

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/docs/affidavit.pdf

True? Backed up?

He has given the names of all the people who worked with him - they should be traceable and could verify it - as I said he also passed a lie detector test with a professional polygraph examiner - a copy of the results are on the site.

Definitely worth checking up.

Well if any of this Timothy S. McNiven stuff can be verified i would say the shite is about to hit the fan for a lot of people.

Wouldn't he be dead?

He is a fake.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread.../pg5#pid3213535

You believe that's fake based on a bar code? LMAO what else you got? Ask him to get and post pay stubs or tax info.

http://codenamegrillfire.com/?n=1&id=1

No official bar code could conceivably be 123ABC and contain a slightly modified image as the ID instead of a picture taken as the ID was being produced. There's also been several discrepancies posted over at JREF a while ago: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=82840

This is old news, and think it is and has been verified. But it won't be making any shit hit the fan any more now then it did a few years back when he first surfaced. Because there is no longer any controlling legal authority in America. Plain and simple. No more controlling legal authority in America.

cheers-
phil :)

But this does give people an idea how far back the planning of the WTC demise is and was. This was in 1975 if memory serves me. But the planning goes even further back when one realizes that Rockefeller is the brainchild of the WTC and thought of this as far back as the late 1940's.

Well It looks like a temporary day pass as you would get from an amusement park the way it looks, as much. Like I said, no pay stubs, slips, or tax info and there's no credible story. Has anyone thought that maybe he's dead, or renditioned, or disinformation? Has anyone tried to see if this guy has existed, what and where he worked? It sounds like a fiction.

How old is this story?

Posted by Tim (foxe) McNiven on Friday, April 25, 2003 at 16:52
I am looking for people from C-Battery, 2/81st Field Artillery, US Army, Strassberg Kaserne, Idar-Oberstein, W.Germany, 1975-76: Lt.Michael Teague, Sgt Arroyo, Sgt Broder or others
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maybe the guy that warned Delmar Vreeland.

I really don't understand the whole bar code thing. Why do images have a bar code? And why would reading it be relevant to anything? And how does abc123 constitute as fake? Look at this packaged ham, the bar code says 112233 when you scan it.....this isn't real ham!

Why does that moron capitalize every other word? Makes his insane ramblings impossible to read.

I checked the AboveTopSecret link and found NOTHING that debunks it, apart from people saying he probably has English as a second language by the way he writes. Maybe he is dyslexic, FFS

I found the badge thing proved nothing.

I am curious about chasing down the army people who were supposed to be involved with him in the 1970s. Does anyone know how to do that?


Checked on the Polygraph services and they exist

http://www.pacificpolygraphservices.com/about.html

and the guy who runs it and took McNivens polygraph is ex Canadian Intel.

(from the site)
John I. Weller was a member of the Canadian Military - Canadian Intelligence Corps and was trained at the US Army Military Police School, Polygraph Committee, Fort Gordon, Georgia in 1973. He has maintained his expertise with ongoing training since then and has conducted several thousand polygraph examinations during his career as a practitioner of the psychophysiological verity examination (PDD) system.

Lets do some active digging into this and see what we come up with.

You guys question the official story of how/why the towers collapsed even when there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it, yet you believe in the polygraph. The nut passed a polygraph, he HAS to be telling the truth.

Brilliance redefined.

Ahhhh but if he'd been questioned under oath, then we could be really sure if he's lying or not. :D

Abovetopsecret.com is DisInfo.

That's not to say everyone who posts their is disinfo, but I don't trust the site.

Nuts (and insane people) often pass a polygraph because they actually believe what they say to be true.

Nuts (and insane people) often pass a polygraph while they are lying, think about it.

My original post was in a sarcastic tone because the polygraph is psuedo science and is only good for intimidating people who don't know better. I could flip a coin and let you know if what somebody tells me is a lie and do just as well as a polygraph.

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That, coupled with 123ABC makes it a case closed in my opinion.

Guys.. do me a favour here. Could someone compile the number of people involved in 911, apart from the arabs in their flying machines, that is? The list is getting so big there's a good possibility that an entire nation and it's people are involved in it, judging from the 'evidence' being spewed out faster than novice drunk spewing his guts out! Don't want to ruffle any 'conspirastic' feathers here!

I started watching the video but it was torture. The guy was slowly rambling along and it seemed as if he has a mental problem and is doing this to draw attention to himself.

I wasn't convinced that the knew what he was talking about or had been in the military at all.

Who cares if it's true or not? The important thing is we get out there and say its true!!!

With all due respect to those that think McNiven's story is bogus... You are more than welcome to take issue with the polygraph results if you like (I personally find them credible in this instance given the military standards utilized).

But, a liar would be ill advised to provide a sworn affidavit under oath as Mr. McNiven has submitted in the RICO lawsuit against the government (see bottom of his affidavit below confirming that his statement was made under oath). In other words, if he were lying about his involvement in the 1976 study, then he would be guilty of perjury. The penalty for perjury under Federal law provides for a prison sentence of up to five years, and is found at 18 U.S.C. § 1621. See also 28 U.S.C. § 1746.

So in essence do you think that a "fraud" would make up this kind of a story when the specific details provided in the affidavit could easily be verified by any government defense attorney and used to discredit the plaintiff's case??

I don't know about any of you, but I would not be willing to take the chance of spending 5 years in jail based on a lie simply for the purposes of a publicity stunt. And as for ATS, that place is a joke. Bar codes... Give me a fricking break...


Affidavit

No what it all really boils down to as Phil stated earlier in this thread, is that no matter how much credible evidence we can provide, no matter how many witnesses and experts we have, nothing will likely ever come of any of this as all three branches of our government have been completely and totally subverted and a new "independent" 911 investigation will never be allowed to occur as there is no longer any controlling legal authority left in this country. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply naive. We are all pissing in the wind at this point as much as I hate to admit it. There is only one way we will take our country back and that alternative is the one that no one ever wants to talk about... Sad but true.


Duc ;)

You're really grasping at straws here, eh? "They had more things on their mind..".

Ever hear of the Baader Meinhof /Red Brigade (now known to be connected to the East German Government Stasi/Terrorists)?

Yep - 1970s. Or you didn't catch Spielbergs movie about the kidnapped olympic athletes in Germany, same era.

You americans, so soft and complacent before 2000 and the year of Bush and Cheney. Perhaps you need another lesson, shall we say?

No worries. Because you've never been parked in a jet on the tarmac in Germany for 6 hrs, while the Polizei scours the plane for weapons - people. And this before '01. Yep, other countries very very serious about terrrorism.

Note Niven was in Germany at time.

No one has that much foresight? Yet you people (deniers) will agree (or are fed the story) that the bad guys (19 hijackers) planned this for years, worked as moles, yada yada. But only fanatical nuts would do such a thing, is that it? Fanatical nuts indeed.

Yep, you folks real convincing.