Title: Army Colonel Says Flight 93 Downed By 2 Missiles
Description: 9/11 Flight 93 and Pentagon Missile Hits
MarthaA - September 19, 2007 05:49 AM (GMT)
Alex Jones, a world renown radio broadcaster, interviews retired U.S. ARMY Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre - the full transcript is at the following link :
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html Here is what he said:
Per ARMY Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre, Flight 93 was engaged by the UNITED STATES NORTH DAKOTA ARMY AIR NATIONAL GUARD that had prior to 9/11/01 moved their "Happy Hooligans" of the 119 Fighter Group out of HECTOR FIELD AIR NATIONAL GUARD BASE, FARGO, NORTH DAKOTA to LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, HAMPTON, VIRGINIA. Flight 93 was on a course for either the Capitol or the White House with totally unconscious people on board flying by remote control. The UNITED STATES ARMY ADJUTANT GENERAL of the STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA ordered the NORTH DAKOTA AIR NATIONAL GUARDS 119 Fighter Group of "Happy Hooligans" out of LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, HAMPTON, VIRGINIA to engage Flight 93. Flight 93 was shortly engaged with two (2) Sidewinder missiles and brought down over Pennsylvania about 10:00 AM 9/11/01. THERE WERE NO HIJACKERS. "Let's Roll" was all made up theatrics for the media and the public.
Also, ARMY Colonel de Grand-Pre has stated that the Pentagon was hit by a pilotless remote controlled drone or a Global Hawk cruise missile.
Patches O'Houlihan - September 19, 2007 08:35 AM (GMT)
Alex Jones doesn't give a toss about who he interviews just so long as they say what he wants to hear.
You should be a bit more selective.
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Donn De Grand Pre' Profile: Author of the book Barbarians Inside The Gates: The Black Book of Bolshevism. Donn is retired military. Served in WWII and the Korean "police action". Stated reason for the book: to sound the alarm, U.S. military is being downsized, downgraded, degraded and demoralized. Barbarians/Bolshivists in charge hold the highest ranks of military office. While we find his suggested remedy frightening, he makes a case. Highly recommended reading for its documented historical facts that fill in many blanks; i.e. Swedish Jew, D. D. Eisenhower's rise to power, responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Germans post WWII; Holocaust hoax planned in 1919; history of Israel's creation/ creators; ongoing media blitz foments animosity toward Arabs.. the real Semites. Published in 2000, Barbarians brings us to present day. Address: Grand Pre' Books, Inc., PO Box 1124 / Madison, Virginia 22727
http://www.sweetliberty.org/guests.htm |
Still trust him?
MarthaA - September 19, 2007 09:32 AM (GMT)
Patches O'Houlihan:
I don't trust him, per se , I trust the facts. He used indisputable facts. I do not see it as a matter of trust, but of facts. The North Dakota ARMY Air National Guard does exist and that squadron does exist, so I haven't heard that squadron deny what they did, so I trust the facts. Facts are all one can trust, with the exception of Jesus.
MGroove - September 19, 2007 12:18 PM (GMT)
I have always thought its highly likely the planes were on remote, there hasn't been much doubt in my mind about that, its old technology and totally feasible. All you need to do is look at the extreme approaches and the accuracy involved. Too difficult even for a professional pilot to pull off, let alone a suicidal hijacker.
175 dive bomb approach:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ucT4-Q2gd9ANow thats impressive ^, but just think how much harder it would be to hit the damn Pentagon! Definitely remotely guided, most likely by computer algorithms and not by some dare devil stunt pilot.
honway - September 19, 2007 06:06 PM (GMT)
honway - September 19, 2007 06:11 PM (GMT)
CNN Shanksville footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWi0JpI__MDebris field 6 to 8 miles from crash site.
honway - September 19, 2007 06:15 PM (GMT)
honway - September 19, 2007 06:23 PM (GMT)
Is the Rick Gibney Flight 93 Story a Hoax?
Alex Jones' Prison Planet
June 29 2004
Major Rick Gibney wins Airman Medal from Governor of North Dakota on 9/11/2002 "for flying a Special Mission to New York" - Medal was presented in a private "Top Secret" ceremony before this public ceremony
Yesterday we were able to confirm that Colonel Don de Grand-pre claims he spoke face to face with Maj. Rick Gibney and Gibney told him that he was the pilot who shot down Flight 93.
We are still investigating this matter in trying to uncover the truth while not going out on a limb to say whether this is accurate or not.
However, an article from a September 11 website states that Gibney was not scrambled to track Flight 93, but that he was flying into New York. The article states,
Derrig, Maj. Dean Eckman and Capt. Craig Borgstrom scrambled from Langley Air Force Base, Va., to protect the nation's capital. Maj. Rick Gibney took off from Fargo to fly the New York emergency management director from Montana to New York.
We have now uncovered footage of the award ceremony in which Gibney is honored for his activities on September 11. Would Gibney be rewarded simply for flying an official to New York?
On the other hand, the official FAA Registry does list Gibney's certificate as 'Airline Transport Pilot.' [NOTE BY JOHN LEE: ATP rating is the highest civilian pilot license and all military pilots must have it if they want a job after their military career is over, or to fly for airlines when off duty, which is what Air National Guard pilots normally do since they are only "Weekend Warriors".]
deberry - September 19, 2007 11:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Patches O'Houlihan @ Sep 19 2007, 03:35 AM) |
Alex Jones doesn't give a toss about who he interviews just so long as they say what he wants to hear.
You should be a bit more selective.
| QUOTE | Donn De Grand Pre' Profile: Author of the book Barbarians Inside The Gates: The Black Book of Bolshevism. Donn is retired military. Served in WWII and the Korean "police action". Stated reason for the book: to sound the alarm, U.S. military is being downsized, downgraded, degraded and demoralized. Barbarians/Bolshivists in charge hold the highest ranks of military office. While we find his suggested remedy frightening, he makes a case. Highly recommended reading for its documented historical facts that fill in many blanks; i.e. Swedish Jew, D. D. Eisenhower's rise to power, responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Germans post WWII; Holocaust hoax planned in 1919; history of Israel's creation/ creators; ongoing media blitz foments animosity toward Arabs.. the real Semites. Published in 2000, Barbarians brings us to present day. Address: Grand Pre' Books, Inc., PO Box 1124 / Madison, Virginia 22727
http://www.sweetliberty.org/guests.htm |
Still trust him?
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Alex Jones always backs up his words with facts. No one can be 100% correct about everything all the time, but with Alex Jones he is close. I trust Alex Jones because I've listened to him a long time and I verify what he says.
mynameis - September 20, 2007 12:59 AM (GMT)
I'll say this again. there were four fighter planes in the air that day two were armed. Two went to NY and two to DC. One plane blew up flight 93 I believe possibly the other misfired and hit the WTC 7 missing the second plane that hit WTC 1. But it's only a theory after all. Someone has suggested the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon was Russian, but I'm thinking it was a modified bunker bomb missile. The light poles I don't know about, the flight path matching, I don't know about.
Technology for automation and de-pressurization of the cabin pressure could have knocked out the crew and or people for remote assistance by NORAD or like agency.
intheflightlevels - September 20, 2007 02:30 AM (GMT)
Remote control planes???? Unconscious bodies??? You have got to be kidding me. First of all if this was a government conspiracy do you actually think that colonel would be alive today after spilling the beans and pretty much selling his bosses down the river. Come on now people. Maybe 93 was glamorized a bit in the media but let those people have their memorial. The plane was not shot down by a missile. Also you do not have to be an ATP rated pilot to crash a plane into a building. Another thing no military would send an airline pilot who flies for the guard on weekends to shoot down a robot plane full of unconscious bodies in some sort of mass conspiracy against the American people. Hollywood may be interested in something like this.
kupci - September 20, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Patches O'Houlihan @ Sep 19 2007, 03:35 AM) |
You should be a bit more selective.
| QUOTE | Donn De Grand Pre' Profile: Author of the book Barbarians Inside The Gates: The Black Book of Bolshevism. Donn is retired military. Served in WWII and the Korean "police action". Stated reason for the book: to sound the alarm, U.S. military is being downsized
http://www.sweetliberty.org/guests.htm |
Still trust him?
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So because he wrote a book - which is in fact exactly what the military thinks - there's no love lost between Rumsfeld, for example, and the military.
Right now there are 130K troops in Iraq. And 100K mercenaries. Blackwater. Certainly you've read about them. They are the ones that disarmed the populace down in New Orleans, the National Guards job, and you can bet they are hopping mad about this.
Those are his views, but probably shared by many. Consider being downsized from your govt job, so MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS can go to some Hessian mercenaries, who seem to be untrained, given recent murders of civilians in Iraq. (Kudos to the Iraqis for kicking their buts out, we'll see if they really have any power, or they are only a puppet state, like the old soviet bloc.
You've certainly not got any evidence against his credibility, from what you've posted.
Now as to what he said? Words are words, but interesting.
kupci - September 20, 2007 03:16 AM (GMT)
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| The UNITED STATES ARMY ADJUTANT GENERAL of the STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA ordered the NORTH DAKOTA AIR NATIONAL GUARDS 119 Fighter Group of "Happy Hooligans" out of LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, HAMPTON, VIRGINIA to engage Flight 93. |
The interesting thing, and this is corroborated even in the whitewash 911 Report, is that the Federal Govt did nothing for 2 hours. Nothing. You had Georgie Porgie reading My Pet Goat (I guess he can read), Cheney - who knows where - in his bunker , the story is a bit muddled - our nation is under attack but the Commander in Chief and his Adjutant do squat.
That is a fact - it was confusion, because the flight controllers were alerting the military "maybe you should - I don't know - send some fighters up to - dunno - look for the planes?? Sound like a plan?" So basically you had the other jurisdictions - acting on their own.
Why is a good reason against a centralization of power, there needs to be a balance, not only between the branches, but between state and federal, unlike Soviet Russia.
mynameis - September 20, 2007 08:33 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (intheflightlevels @ Sep 20 2007, 02:30 AM) |
| Remote control planes???? Unconscious bodies??? You have got to be kidding me. First of all if this was a government conspiracy do you actually think that colonel would be alive today after spilling the beans and pretty much selling his bosses down the river... |
This isn't about what I think the government would do. It's about what the perpetrators did or didn't. And they didn't eliminate the colonel so I'll go with that. Amateur pilots can't handle the G force necessary to hold the aircraft to hit the target at the speeds it traveled to the tower.
MarthaA - September 21, 2007 02:42 AM (GMT)
intheflightlevels:
Man, you do get that propaganda going, don't you?
You say, "Another thing no military would send an airline pilot who flies for the guard on weekends to shoot down a robot plane full of unconscious bodies in some sort of mass conspiracy against the American people....."
That is a far cry from what has been said.
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The ARMY Air National Guard was NOT SENT on weekends to shoot down a robot plane full of unconscious bodies in Pennsylvania; the ARMY Air National Guard just happened to be at the South Virginia Air Force Base for reasons that had nothing at all to do with what happened on 9/11/01. Since they were there, they were available and on call for emergency, and it was and is an emergency when NORAD is shut down and there's a plane zeroed in to crash into the Capitol or the White House and the Pentagon has already been hit.
I'm just thankful that they saved the day and there was not any people killed in the Capitol or the White House. 9/11/01 was a robot killing spree like never before seen.