Thanks to Rob Balsamo and Undertow for digging-up and preserving this info.
Alleged Flight 77 Voice & Data Recorders found here near Exit Hole. They want us to believe that the entire tail section bearing those tiny recorders and without the mass of fuel filled tanks to add momentum ended up by the Exit Hole. Sure they did. Dick Bridges, a spokesman for Arlington County, Va. authorities said the recorders were found "right where the plane came into the building." This spot near the C-Ring Exit Hole is considered 'where the plane came into the building'? Maybe the missing hole in the B-Ring wall where the aircraft went into the B-Ring and killed all the personnel was mysteriously sealed over in some magical manner? :D

Official diagram found within the new official book Pentagon 9/11 - Publisher: Defense Dept., Office of the Secretary, Historical Office

Sorry. No photos of Flight 77 Data and Voice recorders found. But here are the alleged recorders from Flight 93.

possible explanations

1) AA77 hit building. At 330 mph (the maximum low altitude speed of a 757 in heavy air, according to manufacturer) -- the carbon fiber nosecone and parts behind it turn into a penetrating bunker buster.
Thus the tail section FDR and bodies were actually punched thru to A-E drive.



2) A-E drive, being reasonably accessible from other parts of the pentagon, and not on fire, was a convenient place to drop an FDR, and/or tissue samples, which reinforced the IDEA that a plane crashed there.

You Pick!!

#1 is likely accurate although the speed was significantly higher than the 330 mph. That figure is likely the maximum "safe" or "recommended" speed...not the maximum speed possible.

#2 because obviously the entire Flight 77 757 fantasy is totally impossible.
I also think this official DNA chart of the alleged crash area is a big lie also and I doubt they bothered to plant all these DNA samples.

Government claims Barbara Olsen's DNA found in circled areas

It is 2.

About the speed... then IMO it is interesting to note that in the MIT report "speed of aircraft" )2002 or 2003... then the speed was 345 mph. And the source ? FDR.

"On the other hand, the velocity given for the plane that plunged into the Pentagon comes from information contained in the recovered flight data recorder"
web.mit.edu

Now, the speed then somehow magically "change"... and suddenly it was 530...and why ? Yes, to help to sell the absurd official story that a B757 could somehow super-magically travelled through a window at the 1. floor at the Pent... and after that simply "blew up" the Pentagon...many many massive reinforced concrete column etc etc. (which is physically imposible)

The ice cold truth is, that the official story is so absurd and stupit...that it is really unbelivenble and scary that it is possible to find one person who still belive it.

as much as my mind boggles with a massive evidence planting conspiracy, I can't fulfil the criteria that allow the punch-out hole to have been made by a plane.



So unless there is some comprimise solution that involves plane impacts AND bombs -- #2 looks a bit more likely --

? Certainly the accessibility of A-E drive offers good planting possibilities - that and the Pentalawn. who -when-where-what unclear -- but knee-jerk deniers of evidence fakery should first consult operation Northwoods --

where it was intended to either drop plane parts from the AIR or from an undersea SUB to make it appear that a passenger jet had been downed.

The Lockerbie case is similar.

Photo of alleged Flight 77 data recorder found in official Pentagon 911 book, and which was planted near the Exit Hole. Unfortunately the FBI agent planting the data recorder forgot to clean off his shoes and planted the illegal piece of crime scene evidence on his own footprints. Stupid stupid stupid. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Images taken from the Official Defense Department 911 book



Then they planted all the Flight 77 DNA or maybe they just didn't bother and just faked the results and these diagrams.
Well, how else did the DNA get there since a 757 Flight 77 could not possibly have flown into the Pentagon wall and under the 2nd story floor slab into the 1st floor?
Government claims Barbara Olsen's DNA which was supposedly inside the thin aluminum fuselage, was found in circled areas way out in the A-E drive past the Exit Hole. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The maximum recommended speed of a 757 at sea level is 350 knots, or over 400 mph. Flying faster than that could be unsafe, but I don't think the terrorists were concerned with the safety of the aircraft and passengers.

I've never understood the point when Truthers talk about the plastic nosecone. You think if you attached a ping-pong ball to the front of an anti-tank missile, it would then make that missile incapable of penetrating a tank? Really?

Yes, from the data I've seen, debris from the front of the plane was found closer to the entrance hole, and the stuff farther back in the plane tended to carry through farther towards A-E drive. Is this surprising to you? It's not to me.

Ewwww, so they landed flight 77, killed the passengers, chopped them up into small bits, then got them over to the Pentagon and scattered these remains around the crash site, all in the space of a few hours? Ewwww.

What would give the tail section the mass to carry through to the Exit Hole? Even though it is very strong, it is probably the lightest part of the aircraft. There is no fuel nor landing gear back there to add mass; that is in the wings and belly of the fuselage. Besides that 45' tall tail should have hit the mostly undamaged upper stories of the Pentagon wall and greatly decelerated and decreased the momentum of the entire tail section before it allegedly shattered into nothing.
Geez this ridiculous OCT 9-11 Pentagon fantasy just gets more and more unbelieveable everytime we take a new look at it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Frames from Purdue University Simulation showing 757 in scale with Pentagon facade

I can't believe I'm having to explain this. Do you two actually have thought processes that go beyond pasting pictures into forum threads? What was the purpose of those graphics you just posted, for instance?

The reason the rear of the fuselage could penetrate farther is that it had the front part of the fuselage to create the hole through the building already. Therefore, by the time the rear part of the fuselage made it to the building wall, there was no longer a wall there. Also, most of the columns inside the building had been taken out already. The rear fuselage made it farther because it didn't have as much building structure in its way. Geez, fellas, do some thinking for yourselves for a change.

Well golly gee how come you cannot see that 45 foot tall tail there hitting those upper storys? Is that what they call selective vision? That is just a 16 foot wide hole that your thin skinned aluminum fuselage allegedly created there. The main landing gear are on 24 foot centers and the engines on even wider centers, so how did they get through that 16 foot hole? Your fuselage and the wings and the tail and the engines allegedly disintegrated into nothing when it hit the wall because no salvage company was contracted to haul 100 tons of aircraft scrap metal out of the Pentagon. Most of the fuel allegedly blew at the impact in those poorly manufactured videos. So what was left to tunnel through the columns and wall inside for the tail section to follow after? This is a bullshit fantasy story and you know it. Then there is the impossibility of that 15 foot diameter fuselage fitting between the undamaged cable spools and the 2nd story floor slab, which is about 12 feet off the ground. Then to make it work at all and ignoring the cable spools, to make the 15 foot fuselage fit underneath the 2nd story floor slab, you clowns have to make the left side engine into a plow, carving a deep furrow across the lawn, which wasn't there afterwards was it? This fairy tale is just the most ridiculous Comedy Central skit I have ever seen. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




Arrogant Deception - Or an Attempt to Expose a Cover-up?
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/asce_en.htm

The plane, upon impacting, per the Purdue University blackbox computer simulation, fragments and travels through the building more like a liquid.

therefore, the hypothesis that the "tail section with FDR & VDR" would carry through the E ring (pausing only to blow up army personnel), the 2 story part between E& D, then the D ring (pausing only to blow up naval command!), the the 2 story part between D&C ring, then the C ring (Pausing only to blow up the Defense Intelligence Agency) and then finally "punching out" through the C ring masonry wall.... .. in the mean time "taking out" rebar & concrete reinforced pillars in order to politely clear them out so that the now-traveling-independently-fragments of plane (see "liquid" purdue sim) -- might follow -- would seem hard to argue, effectively.


mind you, the considered authority on the Pentagon photos, Russ Pickering, comparies the C ring breach 'punch out' with a wall-breaching bomb kid, called the RWBK.

and why, again, would so much intact, column & wall destroying aluminum plane, punch through cleanly like an airlaunched flying submarine made of DU?

witness the impact of the F-16 (?) against the concrete barrier. it shreds into confetti.

So, all FDR-recovery-at-C ring proponents, choose your plane -- the 'confetti plane' that shreds itself into 'dollar coin' sized fragments, or the 'bunker buster DU tube' plane --

i'm going with the simpler explanation -- the FDR was either NEVER recovered from that location (gee, has the FBI ever lied before in investigations?) -- or that it was recovered there, but after having arrived shall we say not via the usual plane-carried means.

I hate that brick wall simulation as an argument for the Pentagon. At initial impact, plane wins. I've studied the walls and we have several columns- 21" square - that ARE solid, but it's not a wall of this stuff. Between was mostly window frames (fairly tough) and walls of 13" brick and limestone facade. Only a few sold concrete panels were hit (and app. removed more than deserved?). The confetti effect would happen with wings left outside and the rest of the plane after hitting more and more columns inside.

As far as I'm concerened it makes sense considering the timeline aspect. It hits as a massive, unified, high-speed, missile shaped object. After impact, it would progressively and quickly disintegrate and become fluid.

I think all agree the punch-out hole is odd, but that's a minor point in the whole scenario. But black boxes found there makes about as much sense as any other explanation.

So by trying to abandon any discussion about whether the contents at the rear of the fuselage would tend to travel farther in the building, I take it you're conceding my point?

Acknowledge that, and we can move on to your new arguments.