For those who read Maddox, this probably isn't new to you, but it is a very interesting point that he makes. And that point is that Loose Change has no claim mainly because Dylan Avery and his co-developers are still alive. I know the rules state against a "all the truthers are alive" theory, but this isn't directed at the entire truth movement, rather just the creators behind Loose Change.

Now lets get one thing set in stone. One of the main theories/explanations behind the 9/11 conspiracies is that the United States Government has absolutely no ethical or moral problems with killing at least 3000 innocent civilians and the many more that are a result of the acts that followed. And that the government was able to pull it off with "military precision" (quoted from Loose Change). This is all correct right? If not, correct me.

Now with that in theory, why would the government allow Dylan and his friends to continue living today and let the Loose Change video continue to circulate? I know at first glance, killing them off right now would be an obvious give away, which in fact it would be. But we're dealing with a potentially corrupt government that just attacked it's own nation for selfish intentions.

I'll elaborate. If I was the President, and I had just used America's most advanced and technological resources to attack my own country and, for the most part, make it seem like a terrorist attack, the last thing I would do would be to sit back and wait for congress to approve my plans of action in foreign lands. I would already have agencies watching the public, tapping communications, scanning the internet, etc (because we are dealing with a corrupt government correct?) even before the event. Because such actions would have to be planned in advance, and if any info leaked, my agencies would be all over to cover that stuff up.

So about a year later, when one of my agents comes to me saying that a video was just released on the internet containing a general summery of the actions I approved of, my first action would be to have that thing shut down, because with the technology our government has, it could have been removed within hours, before becoming popular (hell maybe before anyone had a chance to finish watching it). My second action would to have these three killed. And remember, we are dealing with a corrupt government. So this government will have no care about ethics, human rights, etc.

But don't rush in saying that government agents busting into their houses and "shooting them up" would be too obvious, because any group trying to commit a silent murder in such a fashion would be full of morons. Not to mention it wouldn't be as simple as that. They could have US special forces take care of them, fill their houses with carbon monoxide (a little far fetched yes), or hell, even plant illegal narcotics on their persons and put them in jail (we are also assuming that the public knows little of these people at this point). The possibilities are endless. And if they were killed off, the government could pull any traces of their existence: files, social security, anything recording relative or historic activity. Hell, even kill off close family and friends or even "brainwash people" (remember, corrupt government).

So after all this, Loose Change would be pulled off the internet, and Dylan Avery and his family/friends would have never existed. Now my questions is, does anyone disagree with this scenario? And why? I mainly ask because I personally doubt that a government that can kill it's own citizens will suddenly turn around and "follow the rules" in regards to dealing with 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Thoughts?

It's a pretty good point. But as you said, it would be an obvious give away. But if Dylan and family were assassinated, there are already friends, and people like us, to spread the word. It can be removed from the internet 1000 times, but we could put it back just as easily. All it would take, is one person to get a copy of LC off of Dylan before his untimely demise, and thanks to the joys of the semi-uncensored internet, it would come up anyway. Plus a constantly removed video would create more hype. And I'm sure the government wants this to get as little attention as possible.

I hate to elaborate on this, but I have found it intriguing, and a great point. Of course easily made. Now, how about this, if the people in power who wanted this covered up, and were willing to kill 3,000 of its own citizens wanted to quash this thing a long time ago, couldn't they just pay young Dylan et al a little visit, and make it perfectly clear what would happen if this video did get out? I mean early on, would that not be greatly effective?
Planting evidence is a great one, threatening an 18 year old kid with a lengthy jail sentence, that lets be honest he would never make it through, would be an incredibly effective deterent. I would think that 5 years ago these videos would have just vaporized, and the issue would remedy itself. Maybe I am wrong, but it just seems to be somewhat of an oxymoron to think that the same people who killed 3,000 innocent people on live TV would then have any issue with making a few people from upstate New York just go away.

You could easely say they dont give a shit about dylan or anybody else who is trying to figure them out. Nobody is going to believe them and they are going to make shure of that. Why would they kill dylan? They are not even going to waste one word about him.. They dont care that there spreading this threw the internet.. They yust make fun of them and call them crazy (like you see on the main stream media).


Voila you got yourself an acceptable answer

And what would be the point of killing the makers of Loosechange after it was made?

The movie still exists old chum and it's sales would increase ten fold on news of their deaths.

Jeez you people are thick.

If the government truly did this, why wouldn't they get rid of them? Because anything that is worth killing 3000 innocent civilians and so on must be pretty damn important correct? I doubt any government willing to do this would let some college kids leak out info that could expose their whole plot.

"The movie still exists old chum and it's sales would increase ten fold on news of their deaths."

That convinces me that you did not even bother to read what I wrote. And if you did, maybe you should reconsider who you are calling thick, for I stated several times that these murders and removal of the tape would happen within hours of it's posting, before anyone could really notice.

Oh they would would they? And you know this for sure do you?

So let me see if I read you correctly.

Because the makers of loosechange are still alive then the entire contents of the movie has no basis of fact and none of the arguments are valid.

This does appear to be what you are saying.

My fault, I in fact put to much emphasis on the idea that they would. I should change it to I "personally believe", since I cannot factually prove that they would do as I stated.

In general yes, that is the idea behind the argument.

They probably got out on the internet and it went like wildfire.

By the time it was all over the world it was too late.

But if they did kill them before release some would still know that they had been working on a documentary blowing away the official 911 story and someone else would have picked up the baton.

I can in fact see the video spreading quickly on the internet and it is a very good point. But as a side note, to say that the government would not have the power to pull it down would be a pretty weak statement. But that doesn't account for people saving it onto their hard drives when first viewing it. And I am currently unaware of any technology allowing agencies to go into peoples computers.

That is also a very good point about others knowing about their work. But to some extent, this could be a test of the creators intelligence. If the creators only, I mean only, spoke about it face to face among themselves and others, they would technically be safe. But, if they discussed it on the phone, through email, fax, etc, it could be picked up by the corrupt agencies and deemed as "terrorist activity" and they could intervene and use the patriot act as their legal guardian. And not only that, but they could find out the people who know of the video in making(considering that the conversations were on the phone, internet, etc).

I don't know if I mentioned it, but they wouldn't necessarily have to "kill" them. They could frame them with contraband such as narcotics, and of course, being the corrupt government it is, tell the media what to say about them. Even make it seem like an "accident" like fires, carbon monoxide, etc. I'm just saying it wouldn't be as black and white as three FBI agents busting into their houses.

That comic made me lol.

Why should they kill the conspiracy theorists?
Among them there are so many who suffer from Paranoia, manipulate videos which could easily be seen in films like"911 mystery" or spread theories which are damn ridiculous - it is so easy for Fox and the other official story spreaders to show to the masses: Those "truth-seekers" are all just dumbsters. So why kill them? And what a funny thing: They are all asking questions on 9/11 now - know what? - that's great, they don't have any time left to ask any other questions. Real intelligent people like the LC-team are trapped investigating on something where no evidence is left to be found anymore.
Those who really could have held dangerous evidence were killed 6 years ago - that's for sure.

Well, of all of them suddenly died we all would know who did it, the government.

If you're determining guilt by who would benefit, then Alex Jones would be the one who did it, if Dylan, Korey, and Jason suddenly died.

Yeh those CONSPIRACY THEORISTS always need a bogey man and a dodgy video to feed their paranoia don't they?

1, 2, and 4 are from the front, well lit, and of a good resolution.
3 is at a badly lit angle from an already badly lit room with grainy resolution.

Just throwing that out there. Grainy stills don't prove anything.

I did not post that every video is crap, but some of the most popular ones are.


What do you want to explain with those 4 fotos? Is that a psychiatrist who is able to heal paranoia? :) (just kidding)