Is loose change saying that all the firefighters were in on 9/11? just to verify that my assumption is correct.

is the same for the:

passengers
Military
F.B.I
Demolition Experts
Scientists
Rescue Workers
NSA
The Bush administration
Pilots
The House of Representatives
The Police

??

This is my take on it. And im sure LC agrees with me on some of them.

Firefighters - NO
passengers - NO
Military - Maybe some
F.B.I - Maybe some
Demolition Experts - some
Scientists - Maybe some are just covering it up
Rescue Workers - NO
NSA - Maybe some
The Bush administration - Most
Pilots - NO
The House of Representatives - Maybe some are just covering it up
The Police - NO

About the firefighters, I don't see how anyone could hold the view that WTC7 was intentionally demolished, and the firefighters were not involved.

If no one could expect that the building would fall due to the fires, and we know that the firefighters were warning people for hours before that it was going to fall, then those firefighters who gave the warning would have to know about its intentional demolition, no? Otherwise, why would they warn of an impeding collapse if it were not expected from fires and damage?

Nope. Dumb. :)

Why? They simply take orders from above.

If their orders involved demolishing WTC7...then they were involved.

Well, yeah....so who is saying their orders were to demolish WTC7, again?

People who say that WTC7 was intentionally demolished, are saying that the firefighters are helping cover up what they know could not have been a fire-caused collapse. Since it was you who said they take orders from above, you're accusing them of complicity.

Exactly. To add to that, most, if not all, of the firefighters at ground zero knew WTC7 was going to collapse. and you can youtube that.

We should just vote for what's possible in LC and whats totally bunk. I know many of you truthers have a few doubts here and there in regards to LC.

Yeah, the big ones have already come out on other sites. For instance, the gold ring Osama wears.

So do you agree with everything else in LC other than that?

How much research have you done?

Yeah, perhaps it would be easier to find something in LC that you'd actually stand behind.

Tell you what lets have an enquiry.

We didn't have one before we went to war. We found a couple of flying manuals and a koran or two in a car and hey presto lets bomb a country that supplied none of the hijackers by flying from a country that allegedy supplied most of the hijackers.

Thinks

Wouldn't these Cessna trained puddlejumping friends of Allah actually need those books for their flight into paradise?

Actually, each plane in the US is required to, at all times, have its current flight manual on-board. (FAA Regulation) They didn't even need to bring their own manual, they knew there would be one in the cockpit!

---Not all of this stuff is as simple as "common sense"....sometimes you have to do a little research.

And the Koran?

By the way the official story says that they shouted Allah Akbar when they hit the towers.

Islamic law states that that a Muslim faced with imminent death shouts (in arabic):

"There is one God Allah and Mohammad is the prophet"

So the official story is crock of shit (as if we didn't know that already)

So tell me how they managed to hit 75% of their targets without the need for a dummy run?

We could always have an enquiry though ay? Methinks you side-stepped this little point.

I'm a pilot, and I can "hit" my landing spot without any "dry runs" first. ....and landing is a lot more tough than flying into the biggest building in new york city.

Because they did not quote the proper passage from the Koran, this is evidence that the hi-jacking was faked? Surly you are not actually this stupid.

They hit their targets by knowing the basics of flight, knowing where they were when they took the controls, knowing their destination, by reading a heading indicator, by reading airspeed/altitude, and I’m sure they had a f--king watch. The same way Lindberg managed to find his way across the Atlantic using more primitive instruments and only drifting about 3 miles off course by the time he got to the Irish coast.

It must be hard to go through life this divorced from reality. Please tell us how it feels.

Ranb

According to you they were about to commit suicide for a cause.

Not an everyday activity. And it didn't go unnoticed that you insinuate that this is the only reason I believe the truth. It isn't and I suspect you knew that.

Got any answer to the other points have you or will I have to continually throw them in your face until you answer?

I too am a pilot and I know that a person who has only flown at 175 knots Max will have difficulty navigating into the right position when suddenly faced with losing altitude and lining up now at speeds of 500 mph.

Anyone with a working knowledge of flight controls would be able to manipulate a jet to hit a building...especially if you have access to a simulator and can practice beforehand.....even at a fast rate of speed.

You don't carry out an attack like this without a lot of practicing/preparation.

And where pray did they do that? You have the place where this occurred or is this yet another Must-Have-Done to justify the war, the debt and the deaths?

You don't experience the G force unless you have a proper simulator and even then it would have been more. Did you ever watch the Dambusters? They practiced for months and they were very experienced on the type of aircraft.

Tell me why they didn't need the Koran you seem to be avoiding that.

This is not even applicable to AA11 or UA175 because the CVRs were never recovered! Surely this applies to the transcript of UA93?

CORRECT!!

The other cockamaimy CONSPIRACY THEORY is that the passengers on Flight 93 tried to get into the cockpit with a tea tray.

How did they know? The voice recorder doesn't record voices in the passenger area.

Some people actually believe this shit you know.

lol I'm sure if all of those people were in it, the truth would be out by now.

I did record the noise in the cockpit when it is believed the passengers broke into it.

OK got it now.

When they broke into the cockpit one of the passengers took the microphone and described how they'd broke in because he felt it particularly relavant whilst plummeting towards the earth. OK got it now.


And you've heard this particular tape then? Or do we have yet another must-have-done?

I don't have the link at the moment. It's been made public, but you can clearly hear a struggle in the cockpit as the door is broken in. The cockpit voice recorder will record all audio in the cockpit, even audio that is not transmitted over the radio. But of course, as a pilot, you should know this.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

I was under the impression it wasn't made public, still the CVR also includes someone saying 'roll it' and the FDR from 93 corresponds with this.

Roscoe, in the case of '93 the hijackers weren't carrying out their plan, what would the protocol dictate in islamic law in this situation?

Part of it was made public, I recall seeing/hearing part of it on a documentary about 9/11 on television, but I don't recall which one. They didn't broadcast all of the audio, just a few selected parts.

Oh you don't have the link how bloody convenient. I posted everything you asked me and you don't the link beyond wikipedia.

Ah, that would make sense. Last I heard it was only family members who had heard it.

Roscoe you can find the transcript here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412061hijack1.html

1 - You haven't posted everything I've asked you for
2 - Link was included in my post with details
3 - I do not know of a website that hosts the audio I'm referring to, as it was aired on a television documentary which would be subject to US copyright.

Yes I did and the record shows.

Actually, the record shows you've been asked to provide answers to the following and have not:

- What evidence would prove, to your satisfaction, that the hijackers were on the planes?
- Who would conduct this new inquiry you seek?
- Who would finance said inquiry?
- Post a summary of your theory of what actually happened.

Shall I continue?

The FAA/NTSB never releases cockpit voice recorder audio, only the written transcripts. I doubt you've heard the actual recording, but maybe you saw a documentary where they took the transcript and re-enacted it.

CVR audio is available for some crashes (see link).

http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/

Disclaimer on that site:

As for the one I saw on tv...they had snippets of the actual audio, they actually had to subtitle it because it was tough to understand. I wish I could remember what show it was.