I have seen Loose Change: Final Cut in Norway!!!!!
Therefore I wanted to give my opinion about the movie to the produsers, but I don`t know how I can contact them, so I will write a little review here in this forum. This is a very critical review, bacause I want the produsert to know what I liked and what I didnt like about this film. And yes, as you can see. My english is bad.
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The first chapter about the hijackers and the conlusion was not in the test screening we wached. The man that was in WTC7 and heard explosions was neither in the movie.


* Prologue
+Very good introduction to the movie B)
+ Perfect
+ Better than even I could imagine.
- nothing

Chapter 2: The Able Danger Program
+ God iformation and wery important too.
- It shows only clips from tv stations, nothing new info

Chapter 3: the flights and NORAD tapes:
This is really the climax of the movie. Fantastic animations that shows all the planes. Very entertaining. Also shows many lies in the 9/11 commission. Perfect.
+ If the whole documentary was like this, it would be the best documentary in the world.
- confusing some times.

Chapter 4: Pentagon
Shows both version and wich problems both they have to fit the facts.
+ Interviews people that actually saw the plane
+ Great animation + great interview with Ray McGovern (funny) :lol:
- Does not take up the research pilotes for 9/11 trut have done, and insted focuses that no-pane hit the building
- to long, many of the interviews takes to much time
- not as god edited as the last chapter.

Chapter 5: WTC
This is by far, the worst chapter in the movie.
+ Takes up the problem that the goverment lied about that the air was safe to breathe.
+ The video with a NIST guy cought in a lie. Nice!
+ The ending was good. Go to jail Christine Todd Whitman
- This chapter is even easier to debunk than the 2 edition
- Almost as washing 2 edition all over again
- Not as good editing, and far far far to long!!!!!!
- The first minutes in this chapter is just a waste of time. People talk and talk with no point at all. Discussing wich type of plane they saw over radio. People in the movie theatre bagan to yawn, bacause nobody understood anything.
- The movie shows to many people that are talking about explosions in the building. Almost everyone of them was in the 2nd dition, but where is William Rodriguez? My advice: Take only the 3-4 most important vitness and focus on them. Put the rest of the accounts in the extra matherial section.
- Many of the interviews were to long. For example, Steven Jones had to long intruduction and as he mentiod that there were 11 signs of controll demoliton the movie got boring. The movie focused far to much on them, and they could easily be debunkt.. My advice: Dont mention that there are so, so many signs of controll demolition. Just take the most important points and use some time on them. Use just enough time on them, so that a regular person can question the collaps. Put the rest in the extra stuff when the dvd comes out.
- Dont waste time on discussion question that easily can be debunkt.
- It takes time before the movie comes to a point in this chapter.
I would say: Focus less on WTC and more on WTC7. Use your time and cut this chapter to at least its half. Please, edit this capter as good as you did with the first. Please, please.

Chapter 6: Flight 93
Many good points, but far from perfect.
+ Great animation at the end.
+ Good points
- Some of the videos in this chapter have bin debukt quite good, and at I dont see a reason to put it there one more time.
- Not as god as the first chapters.
- Cut some of the videos from the tv stations and forcus more on really good points you had in the movie.

Chapter 7: WTC7
+ Good animation
+ God editing
- Sad that the guy that was in WTC7 and felt explosions, had gotten many threats so you could not include him in the movie.

Conclusion:
I had very high expectations for this movie. In the first 0-1 hour, the movie exceed my expectations. But then it became to similar to 2ed and had not the same standards as the previes chapters. But it`s still more powerfull documentary than the previews editions. :D
Loose Change: Final Cut can be one of the best documentary ever if they fix it`s problems. Don`t put in more info in the film, but cut the chapter about WTC + flight 93 and re-edit it. I want to show Final Cut in my school, but first the movie needs to be entertaining enough so the people wants to se the whole 2+ hours and not the only first hour.
Tanks for the much hard work you have put in this movie. :D
Gret job Loose Change guys

but first the movie needs to be entertaining

I am not sure the makers of Loose Change see entertaining you as their primary goal.

I dont think you understand. A 2+ hour documentary is a long one. People usually gets tired very quickly. It`s important then for a film maker to get people interested through out the whole film. To reach young people it`s then very important to hold people awake through out the whole film.
At the beginning, the movie was so great that I didnt want it to end, but at the end I heard many times that people bagan to yawn. It was very hot in the theatre too and right before the film we had a 2 hour lecture with David Ray Griffin and others. Maby that had something to do with it.
I remember that every time they showed an animation in the movie, people began to say: "WOW" and stuff like that. There were also plenty of places that people bagan to laught because the lies in 9/11 commission report were so obvious. The WTC chapter didnt have much of such stuff. For me there were to many facts in that chapter I had heard before that I knew had been debunkt.
It just need a better editing in some chapters and then nobody will be tired waching a 2+ hour doc.

Loose Change Final Cut will be great. No doubt about it.

When English is not a person's first language it is sometimes difficult to always use the exact word. I gather Ersu means the movie sometimes fails to hold the viewers attention, by paying too much attention to detail which can lead the mind to wander.

Thanks for the headsup, Im waiting for 2marrow

Thanks. That was eactly what I ment.

Ersu,

how was the background music?

was it used to spark emotion?

or was it more trendy/pop culture?



also,

Does the Norman Minetta testimony make it in the film?



BTW... we should be aware that the film is still being edited, and the version Ersa saw will not be the final version.

Thanks for the review :)

The background music was good at the beginning (Prologue), but after that, there was less and less background music. No way as much music as in 2ed. A little disappointment to me, because I expected much 9/11 rap etc. Most of the sceenes that was in the trailer they released, had no background music at all. Maby the rap music will be in the scenes they werent completely done with, like the "conclusion". I wish they would edit some scenes in the movie and put some more music in it.

Spark emotion?:
Yes, in the beginning and I loved it. Made me some times angry and sometimes sad. One time I almost cried. But after the Pentagon chapter, there was no spark emotion. It was therefore I wanted WTC chapter to be a little bit edited so, they could put some emotion there to. I just want to give Loose Change guys a little more time with this movie to make it perfect. :D

trendy/pop culture?
If you cut out those first chapters, then it is very familiar with 2ed.

Does the Norman Minetta testimony make it in the film?
Yes, this is a big part of the film. (pentagon chapter)

what did the audience think after? was there applause?

thanks, ersu

Yes, there were applause, but not as much as I expected. I belive that that was because nobody knew when the film ended. People began applausing for 10 sec, but suddenly a clip was shown of what was still to come. After the preview stod there: To be continued.... No credits were shown

I dont know what the the audience thought were, because I had a bus to reach, so I left early.
There was a guy from Loose Chage prod. that interviewed people on tape and asked their opinion about the movie. I had no time to talt to him, so that is why I writing my opinion here.

There were many people in the movie theatre that didnt belive that 9/11 was an inside job. They didnt change their mind after the movie. Final Cut is a movie that proofs that the official story we are given is a lie, not that it was an inside job. Its more balanced movie than before and for that I respect it. After people have watched the movie, they will know that the official story is a lie and they want to support a new investigation to get to the truth. If 9/11 was an inside job is up to the audience to decide. Its not the movie that decides that.

This is from yesterday (David Ray Griffin with the white shirt)

Chapter 2: The Able Danger Program
-To long

Chapter 3: the flights and NORAD tapes
- The animation was confusing
(But I talked with Tim Sparke and he said it might was the format of the movie, it was a DVD and not a movie format (?) )

Chapter 4: Pentagon
-Some of the worst in the movie, I diden't like it at all

Chapter 4: WTC
I diden't remember it so well, but I tought it was very good.
+ The scotish (?) expert

Chapter 5: WTC7
+ The best in the movie

I missed the conclusion in the movie

What I would like Loose Change to do
- I want Loose Change to edit the movie on a psychological way. Not chronological. David Ray Griffin also said that on saturday!

Greetings from Norway

Odd Inge
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I totally agree.
Kan du skrive på bloggen din om hva dere pratet om Loose Change: Final Cut? :D

The discussion lasted for several hours. We talked about a lot, everything from what could be bether (of course), what was missing, why something was NOT in the movie, who could be the voice in the movie, what should/could be shorter and longer, what should be editing/fixed, what is/could be the ending/conclution, was the intro good etc

Tim Sparke took notes, so I think he have the best tips from the discussion to the Loose Change crew:)

Did you talk anything about stuff that I wrote in my review? Like the problems in WTC chapter? William Rodriguez?
Did you feel the intro was good? I loved it.

I hope the Loose Change guys read their forum so that they will know the god and the bad thing about the movie.

they do read the forum but i think they are busy at NWC right now lol

was the cinema full at the time?

did it became popular there?

Who narrated? Dylan?

AS AN AMERICAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. and then I can give you MY OPINION.
somebody tell me when and where, I live in Texas. nearest city, please.

Now I haven't seen the final cut, and therefore couldn't comment on visuals and sounds.

But I think that your critique is a bit misleading. I will just bring this up on one point you made:

Note, this is nothing new for you, but for most people in the world. And though technically you're right, the clips are old, why bring in any newer clips when the old ones serve well?

Remember, this movie is not for truthers. It's for people unaware of the whole issue, it's a wake-up call.
Some parts which are not so exciting for you, because you know them already, could be exciting for others never heared of it before.

And from your further comment I notice that the goal, to start people questioning the official story, has been reached:

Not to say that your critique on the specific points is wrong, I need to watch it myself to say I agree or disagree with.

Only to say that you should look the movie with the eyes of someone new to the whole stuff and bring in the critique from that point of view.

(Of course only regarding to the affect on the people's mind you should forget about all you know, not regarding the debunkability* of its content).












* I know this word doesn't exist, but funny that you understood it either :lol:

Ersu, Did it show the squibs shooting from the sides of the towers as they collapsed?

Nope, they didnt

Yes, it was full, so they sreened the movie 2 more times the next day. The movie became popular there even before its premiere because it got hypet up on the local tv news days before its sreening.

Yes he did, but I dont belive that he will be narrating the movie in the final version.

Ersu,

Why do you think that Dylan will not be narrating the final cut?
Did Dr. Griffin suggest someone else would narrate the film?

also,

What did Dr. Griffin say about the Willie Rodriguez and "WTC 7 Survivor" testimony?
Did he say why this testimony was not included?


thanks for taking time to answer our questions.

Loose Change Final Cut was sold out on friday (104 people), the day before the release on saturday. I was disappointed that they diden't use the biggest room (about 500 people). I know Loose Change is popular in Norway.

It was a lot of truthers there, but I think there was some people that have never seen it before.

David Ray Griffin diden't say nothing about William Rodriguez, and we diden't ask him why he was not there.

But there is enough testemony about explotion on ground zero (118 firefighter + many more).

Dr. Griffin diden't suggest someone to narrate the film. But we discussed it for a while. The voice is ok. But it would help if some hollywood star could be the voice, more media attension.

I agree with "NK-44", it's "not" for truthers. We "all" know this info, but a lot of people don't know this.

basically there was someone appointed to do the job and support our movement with his fame ... and it looks like he will but not for now. Charlie Sheen it the person we are talking about here.

So is it on the internet yet?

I am from England and I want to see this Final Cut. Been waiting ages for it.

Will it be available on Google Video? If so what date is it going on?

Don't expect it to be available until at least late October or early November.

The LC crew are working very hard, and there is still much much work to do.

Only about 2 sections of this film were finished or almost finished. This was a TEST screening, so things are still preliminary.

It almost seemed like an entirely new film to me...The music was good, but I agree that some parts may be a bit overwhelming for noobs, like the Able Danger part. They mentioned the testimony of explosions from firefighters, included an interview with John Shroeder, and flashed the text of the testimony very quickly.

In the part about the Pentagon, information was included from people who believe FLT 77 hit the Pentagon, and those who did not. Dylan addressed this, and focused on why anything hit the Pentagon at all, so he included the Mineta testimony, and a later interview with him.

No cameras or cell phones were allowed in the theater. This is because the film is still in early stages of development, and LTW do not want the unfinished product being leaked and representing the their work.

The WTC 7 chapter was excellent, and this was the last part of the film. The movie ended with Danny Jowenko saying "Then they must have worked really hard."

I thought they did an excellent job. Even in this unfinished stage, the film had a polished look to it, which is good. The computer animations were excellent, but sometimes looked a little choppy.

The music was good, more atmospheric than in LC2E. I think the addition of Dave Cahills music was a great choice, and adds some diversity to the hip hop dominated second edition.

All in all, I was very pleased with the Final Cut, and Ive been very critical of LC2E. I think the LTW guys have stepped up the game and have created a solid film that presents a good amount of evidence necessary to begin a real investigation of 9/11.

which two sections were almost complete?

Is there any chance at all that information from Willie Rodriguez or the man rescued in wtc 7 will be included in the finished version?

I didnt see anything regarding Willie Rodriguez.
As for Barry Jennings, there was simply a black screen with text saying that they did not include his interview because he had recieved threats about his job or otherwise, and asked that they not include it in the film. So they respected his wishes.

I think the first 2 parts were the complete ones.