Greetings to All:

Many Americans are simply unwilling to open their eyes to the truth that all the pictures taken outside Shanksville on 9/11 show an empty hole in an empty field. You are bearing witness to one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetuated on the masses in United States history. I encourage everyone to use your search engines and find just one picture of Flight 93 crashed anywhere. Our investigation begins by putting "Flight 93" into your http://altavista.com search engine to find this at Wikipedia.org:

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93



Everyone here can look up all the “Flight 93” pictures you want and none of them show a crashed 757-200 Jetliner. Even the tiny little 20-foot diameter hole (remember this dimension for the Flight 77 case) shows grass growing on all the slopes.



Take a good long hard look into the empty hole and tell me if you see a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner. Where can you see any Jetliner debris even in the area? This site is excellent for finding ‘the truth’ on this Flight 93 HOAX:

http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.php

Here you can see the video ( http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/files...rg_Crash_01.swf ) with the grass growing down into the little hole where someone has dumped a load of garbage and set that on fire. Below that movie you see this picture with my notes:



The photographer appears to be crouching down in the hole, but the nearness of the grass, but our eye level is still on the same plane as the hood on that fire truck. Some people actually believe this little hole is 35 feet deep, when you can see it cannot be more than just four feet max. Any engines or black boxes the government claims to have found here would be planted 'after' this grass was later removed. This link and FoxNews Report tells the story.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html

Go to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com and verify all the evidence for yourself against the documented pictures here ( http://911review.org/93/maps/ ).





What we need is some hard evidence for WHY some some Americans continue to believe Flight 93 crashed into this empty field outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, besides “Because Senor Bushie told me so . . .”.



Pentagon Thread >> http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14796

Terral

Then tell me what happens when you fly a couple hundred ton jet into the ground at over 300 miles an hour is going to do to the jet.

This?

wrong that was c ontrolled crash.

really?

a 'controlled crash'.....

Yes the pilot had copntrol and treid to lessen the crash impact to try and save his life.

So which flight is this?

Well you can tell that this jet didnt get head long into the ground. I have seen crashes that the pilot saved lives by trying to control the plane just before the crash.

You answered with authority.

Back it up.

Quote:

http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/inde...=view&ANN_id=34

"There is overwhelming physical evidence that Flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville, Pennsylvania on 9/11"

1) Lack of Aircraft Debris

The key evidence that the official story of Flight 93 is a complete lie is the missing Boeing 757 at the “crash site” in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. A Boeing 757-200 weighs +120,000 lbs (+54,000 kg) empty, has a length of 155 ft 3 in (47.3 m), wingspan of 124 ft 10 in (38 m) and a tail height of 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m). All of the eyewitnesses to the crash scene, which included firemen, were amazed that there was no evidence of the plane. There was a lot of small debris and paper, but 120,000 lbs of aircraft apparently disappeared. According to the official story, the one-time open pit mine had been filled with soft dirt which “liquefied” when the plane hit. The entire plane buried itself deeply in the ground. However, note the imprint of the tail. It is not very deep and there is no evidence of any debris from the tail.

2) The Faked Crash Imprint

The second key piece of evidence is the shape of the impact crater, or the crash imprint. The official story is that the 757 was at an extremely low altitude (less than 500 feet or 150 meters), the plane rolled onto its back and crashed at +500 mph (800 kmh). The crash imprint shows a vertical, or nearly vertical, impact. It is impossible for a 757 to change from horizontal flight a to vertical dive within a few hundred vertical feet – particularly when its at twice its’ design speed for low altitude. Further, the all-electronic control systems of Boeing 757s have pre-set software limits that prevents pilots from making dangerous maneuvers: such as inverted flight or vertical dives. The crash imprint and lack of debris and fire damage outside the crater could only have been caused by a vertical, or near vertical crash. And this was not possible.

3) The Circular Crater

The third item evidence is the circular crater. Note that it is off-center of the tail imprint. If this crater were caused by the fuselage, it should be directly under the tail imprint. If the plane crashed at an angle, with one wing striking before the other, the crater could be off-center – however, the tail imprint would be larger. The circular crater is indicative of a below ground explosion.

4) Grass Growing in the Crater

The fourth piece of evidence is the grass and weeds growing in the areas where the “wing tips” and “tail assembly” imprinted the ground. Grass and vegetation is also seen growing on the sides of the burning crater walls! This grass must be the same as the PentaLawn grass, which is able to grow back within immediately after plane crashes. Clearly, the crash crater was made before 9/11 – long enough for grass to grow.

5) Lack of Fire Damage


The fifth piece of evidence that the official government story is a lie is the lack of fire damage. A Boeing 757 has a fuel capacity of 11,489 gal (43,490 l). Flight 93 was full for its planned cross country trip to California and would have had more than 9,000 gal (34,000 l) when it crashed. To put this inperspective, this amount of fuel would fill 500 automobiles. There is almost no fire damage outside the crash crater and that is only in the nearby woods.

6) The Mushroom Cloud

The sixth item of evidence is the picture taken moments after the crash which shows a relatively small mushroom cloud of smoke with a narrow base. There is no extended smoke base which would be typical of aircraft crash. It is indicative of high explosive.

7) The Missing Three Minutes

The government asserts that Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 AM. A seismic recording station recorded a major event at 10:06 AM. Seismic recordings are calibrated by atomic clocks which are incredibly accurate. Cleveland Air Traffic Control also had the flight on its radar at 10:06 AM. Again, the government story contradicts physical evidence. While this does not provide any proof that Flight 93 did not crash, it does illustrate government complicity.

A person who would like to defend the official history on flight 93 should be able to refute the 7 points enumerated above.

What Probably Happened at Shanksville

"As the 757 flew over the crash site, pre-planted explosives (remember this is a former mine) were detonated creating the central crater. This caused the mushroom cloud in the photo. The wing and tail imprints were dug in advance, plus some of the central crater, long enough for grass to grow. Aircraft debris, paper and fuel were pre-planted and blown out by the explosives"

let us admit that it is possible "for a 757 to change from horizontal flight a to vertical dive within a few hundred vertical feet":

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-44...earch&plindex=0

Tail imprints the of the crater can have a distance of 30 feet maximum, probably less, but a Boeing 757 has a wingspan of more than 124 feet!

Outside the crater the ground is not burned.

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/crater_ap.jpg

However when a plane is crushed on the ground, dimensions of the flames are normally more important than dimensions of the plane itself, not less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEhNKBi4DY

Error: " imprints of wings" not "Tail imprints" (I am french!)

"imprints of wings the of the crater can have a distance of 30 feet maximum, probably less, but a Boeing 757 has a wingspan of more than 124 feet!"

Imprints of wings of the airplane that hit the tower north. See:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/summ...wtc1holenew.jpg

The north tower was smashed on all trajectory of the wings of the airplane.

Hi tit2:

You are doing just fine tit2. :0) Thank you for providing excellent evidence for my “Flight 93 Never Crashed Near Shanksville” Thesis, Claims and Conclusions. One of the PilotsForTruth members sprang this new video on us today; new for me anyway. It is worth the four minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s

Thanks again,

Terral

Hi Adi:

A what? Please . . . .



Everyone in the world should be able to tell an empty hole from a 100-Ton Crashed Jetliner. This case is clear evidence that the government has been lying to We The People from the beginning and nobody here can prove otherwise. Enuff said.

GL,

Terral

To Terral and Tit2 (Why am I laughing?)

I will address tit2's points, as they would offer a rebuttal to Terrals theory at the same time. Note Terral you are forwarding a theory. NOT a thesis!

1) Lack of debris? 95% of the aircraft was recovered, with some of the debris found 30ft deep into the ground. LArgest piece of debris found was a 6-by-7-foot piece of the fuselage skin, including about four windows. While the heaviest piece, was part of an engine fan, weighing about 1,000 pounds


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv....site/index.html

Here are some photo's of debris.

http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html

Please provide your links to the claim that almost no debris was found on site.

I guess this aircraft crash was also faked? No debris nothing? Huh where is the plane?

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/eagle4184/photo.shtml

2) FDR reports that the aircraft at impact was that it impacted the ground at about 500kts (575 MPH) in a 40 degree nose down attitude, with a 150 degree roll angle to starboard. So therefore I would like you to provide an expert opinion or link on your following statement -

Who claims all this is impossible?

3) I'm not too sure what you are implying here. Can you reword this. You could be right. I just can't follow it too well.

4) There is no grass in the crater. All grass is on the verge of the crater.

5) Lack of fire damage? What damage do you expect? Are you an expert in this field?

The fact that it crashed into the ground (soil) which is a perfect substance for fire suppresion, is of course ignored. The impact force of this crash would have thrown some of the fuel down into the ground (remember debris was found at depths of 30ft). Hence some of the fuel would have been in the soil. Not the perfect environment to burn.

Most of the fuel was however burnt up in the large fireball, following the explosion, that witnesses reported seeing -

Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.

Karl Landis, 58, saw the crash from about a half-mile away while driving his pickup. "It came in, rolled slightly to the left and appeared to hit the ground at almost a 90-degree angle," he said. "It seemed like an eternity, but it must have been only a few seconds. It evaporated into a huge fireball that turned into black smoke."

John Walsh, 72, saw the immediate aftermath of the crash from his nearby home in Lambertsville. "I looked out my window when I heard the explosion and saw this big orange ball of fire," Walsh said. "When it hit it looked like an atomic bomb went off. It was just terrible." Walsh said he leapt into his truck and drove to within 300 yards of the crash site. "I wanted to see if I could help anybody. But there was just burning parts, that's all. I looked down the hill and saw nothing but a big crater. You could not tell it was an air crash, the debris was so widely scattered."

Joe Wilt
The ensuing firestorm lasted five or 10 minutes and reached several hundred yards into the sky, said Joe Wilt, 63, who also lives a quarter-mile from the crash site. "The first thing I thought it was, was a missile," Wilt said. The impact shattered a window in his basement and knocked down household objects from a shelf.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2001...crashnat2p2.asp


6) The size of that mushroom cloud is perfectly expected for a plane crash of that scale. Refer to the following set of calculations and analyis that look at this issue.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=186...&postcount=1592

See Terral not that difficult do calculations now is it?

7) The 911 commision has the following to say about this time claim -

“The seismic data on which they based this estimate are far too weak in signal-to-noise ratio and far too speculative in terms of signal source to be used as a means of contradicting the impact time established by the very accurate combination of FDR, CVR, ATC, radar, and impact site data sets. These data sets constrain United 93's impact time to within 1 second, are airplane- and crash-site specific, and are based on time codes automatically recorded in the ATC audiotapes for the FAA centers and correlated with each data set in a process internationally accepted within the aviation accident investigation community. Furthermore, one of the study's principal authors now concedes that "seismic data is not definitive for the impact of UA 93.”

There are no reports of the authors of the original seismic report having disputed this conclusion.

This is a classic diversion.

I ask the both of you, what do you think happened to the plane?

Tit2, believes it flew over the spot? Surely people would have seen it fly onwards? People saw it fly towards the ground at a near verticle angle. They didn't say all of a sudden it pulled up and flew away.

The hole was dug before the time? Noone ever saw this. Can you provide some kind of proof or references to this piece of speculation?

While you are at it, an explanation of how the following was faked would be appreciated:

1) CVR and FDR.

2) Passanger phone calls to family and 911, claiminng the flight was hijacked and theyw ere going to fight back.

3) Radar data

4) Testimony of all witnesses who saw the crash.

5) Testimony of ATC who watched it disapear on radar.

6) How 95% of the debris was found on the site.

7) How victims remains and personal effects were all faked. (That is the DNA and everything)

8) How they managed to force all first responders and forensic investigators to lie.

You are willing to explain how other aspects are faked, so addressing these issues should be no problem.

firstly, great topic and well rounded arguments

just a sceptical thuoght here guys, playing devils advocate, (cos i dont personally believe this, but its an argument that could be put forward)

"is it possable that the government cleaned up the plane before pictures are released to the press? Cos not many people wana see mutilated bodies lieing on the floor."

Like i said, just a thought and i dont and cant back it up. But would be interested to see a response

cheers

gez

Prove it.

Show us 95% of the plane or admit you easily swallow propaganda.

So government reports are propaganda, but producing conspiracy theory "documentaries" about America and filling then with facistic allusions to Nazism and Hitler is not?

Quote:

"Passanger phone calls to family and 911, claiminng the flight was hijacked and theyw ere going to fight back."

As Tom Burnett I suppose. Officially Tom Burnett had called his wife, by using an Airphone, see:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/...n-on-calls.html

But his wife, Deena, said that it used his Cell Phone:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11930

For the four calls:

http://tomburnettfoundation.org/tomburnett_transcript.html

So probably the phone calls were fake, Like everything else.

Quote:

"There is no grass in the crater. All grass is on the verge of the crater."

There is an excellent researcher on the flight 93: "killtown". See for example:

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/debris.html

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/crater.html

http://killtown.911review.org/images/fligh...stahl_small.jpg

I read: " Notice that it looks like some of the grass is still growing inside the crater"

I do not assert that a vertical dive of the airplane is impossible. When I look at this image :

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/6581/imprint22xb.jpg

and this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPEvZbrZkM

I see a crater that recalls the shape of an airplane (A central crater, wing and tail imprints)

But for a Boeing 757: "wingspan of 124 ft 10 in (38 m) and a tail height of 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m )

wing and tail imprints of the crater are too small to be those of a Boeing 757 crashing to the ground at high speed in a vertical dive. It is a physical impossibility.

http://killtown.911review.org/images/fligh...rater-scale.jpg

And it's not this video that is able to demonstrate the contrary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x4JUnP1Gwk

Other videos:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-44...earch&plindex=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmILenye8iw

Are you admitting that the claims made the government cannot be substantiated?

No, I'm saying you and people like you are ones to be throwing around the word "propaganda".

Then please show me 95% of UA93 or apologize for your pitiful attempt to assassinate my character.

What're you even talking about? I was simply saying that you, of all people, are one to accuse others of spewing propaganda. Especially when you make a ridiculous "documentary" and call it Reichstag in order to draw comparisons between 9/11 and the Reichstag fire in Nazi Germany. I think it's time you took a chill pill unless you wanna go into all caps again.

You made a claim that over 95% of UA93 was recovered in Shanksville. You are now being asked to prove it for like the 5th time..... :rolleyes:

Um, I made no such claim. Hamba said that, I didn't so I'm not going to be defending him am I? I simply pointed out that you aren't one to try and throw around the propaganda label.

95% of the debris was recovered. A link to an article on this was provided.

You want more evidence of this claim?

Hi TerrorCell, Mrn and #1:

Apparently at least one of our resident chat-monkeys has fallen completely out of his tree. Once again let’s all take a long look into the empty hole outside Shanksville in this empty field, so Page 2 of this Flight 93 debate can have at least one picture of something:



Someone please explain how anyone can recover 95 percent of anything from an empty hole. :0) The slopes of that empty hole have grass growing all the way to the bottom ( http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.ph...=view&ANN_id=34 ) . . . Lord . . .

http://911review.org/93/maps/



Here we go looking for the lost 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...isIsVeryBig.jpg ) in the empty 20-feet diameter hole only 4 feet deep! :0) That guy in white with his hands crossed behind is back tells the whole Flight 93 story . . .



Hey look! It’s a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner! :0) The only thing more foolish than trying to say a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...NoPlaneHere.jpg ) is trying to convince ANYONE that a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into this empty Shanksville field on 9/11. Even Terror can see no 100-Ton Jetliner ever crashed here. :0)

Nobody has any links to 95 percent of Flight 93, because nothing like that exists anywhere on this planet; except for in the minds of deluded men . . .

GL,

Terral

LOL, reffers to me as #1!! LOL

If you read the link I provided, the Debris, was found up to 30ft deep in the ground. You can't see it in those pictures, because its in the GROUND.

Did you look at the link to another crash I posted. A jet liner also crashed there as well. No major debris visible either. Was that a cover up as well?

How did the human remains that have been confirmed as remains of the passangers of UA93, get found at the crash site then?

Hi Hombo:

LOL! Thank you for more evidence for why your nonsense must be ignored. The pictures and videos show grass growing ( http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html ) in the empty hole that Hombo still believes can hold a 100-Ton crashed Jetliner! :0)

Closer look >> http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/file...rg_Crash_01.swf

If a real 100-Ton Jetliner went into the ground, then where is all the dirt thrown out of the hole to make room? :0) And you really believe a Jetliner can be under the grass growing in this empty hole with no debris anywhere!



GL,

Terral

The majority of the debris is in the hole. Debris was excavated up to 30feet deep into the ground. Stop ignoring this.

How did the human remains get there? They are confirmed by DNA tests as being from the passangers on flight 93.

How did the remains get there?????

How did the human remains from passangers on flight 93 get to the crash site??

How could they get human remains? Easy go to a cemetery or coroners office. Or fake the results.

So is all the proof you have is a story on the internet that says it happened and if the government says that's what happened then thats what happened?

Really?

What a load of rubbish. If you truelly believe that it was faked or taken from a cemetry, I suggest you contact the following people -

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co
Shanksville, PA 15560
(814) 267-4737
Terry Schaffer, Fire Chief
Rick King, Assistant Chief

Somerset County Coroner's Office
555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-6900
Wallace Miller, Coroner

Somerset County Emergency Services
100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-1515

WESTMORELAND COUNTY
DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
12 Court House Square
Greensburg, PA 15601
724-600-7300

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Harrisburg, PA 17101
(717) 651-2001

Paul Sledzik, Curator Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine
Leader of flight 93 Disaster Mortuary (Team DMORT)
202-782-2204 sledzik@email.afip.osd.mil

Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205
DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600

Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat
Chief Scientific Advisor to Somerset County Coroner's office in the flight 93 investigation
Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department
Mercyhurst College
501 E. 38th St.
Erie, PA 16546
dirkmaat@mercyhurst.edu
(814) 824-2105

Please phone them or email them. Post transcripts of all correspondance you have with tyhem. You believe it was faked, then speak to the people involved.

You are accusing them of complicity, I suggest you contact them then.

Please let me know, when you are done.

Its not the only proof.

Testimony of first responders. HAve you contacted them? I have posted a a comprehensive contact list above.

Contact them, ask them about the debris. If you choose to believe every news source in the world is tainted then contact the people who were their on the ground. Ask them about the debris.

UA is in possession of the debris. Why don't you contact them and ask them about the debris, if you believe it doesn't exist.

Please detail the correspondance here for all to see. MAybe you will uncover something. Who knows?

Hi Terror:

Just have the guy show you a picture of Flight 93 crashed ANYWHERE. :0)

http://911review.org/93/maps/



We have far too many pictures of the EMPTY HOLE to waste time with Hombo’s NONSENSE. The guy would not know the 911Truth if it came up and bit him on the backside to say BOOO! He made #1 on my idiot list, so do the math. :0)

Lifelines from the 911Truth Boat only reach so far and some of these guys are bobbing corks on the distant horizon . . .

GL,

Terral

Yes, I have contacted them.

Are you Mark Roberts or just one of his socks posting his list?

Mark is afraid to debate me on Shanksville.

I am asking people in Shanksville what happened and people like you are attacking them for saying what happened.

And why would I contact UA when the Government is in possession of the Shanksville planes remains and are storing them at Iron Mountain? Have you done any homework JREF?

What is your JREF name anyways troll?

My Susan McElwain interview is already in the public domain. I am not interested in proving anything to you some anonymous JREF Mark Roberts Sock Puppet Troll......

Hi Terral


We may not see eye to eye in regards to the Pentagon but here is something we can both agree on. There is absolutlely no proof that a 757 airliner perfectly intact made that hole in Shanksville and Hamba is a JREF troll.


Good day,


D

You have contacted them?

Please provide proof. What did they say to you when you claim no 757 crashed there? I think reviewing the testimonies you have from the first responders would be critical to the debate. So please post all what you have here.

Love to hear what the coroners will say. Especially since they worked on hands and knees collecting the remains.

You are the one who is claiming they are all liers? So who is doing the attacking here?

UA has the debris of flight 93. Contact them. Oh wait they are in on it as well. How convinient. My homework says that the FBI handed over the debris of flight 93 to UA. Where is your proof to the contrary?

I have addressed all issues about your interview with Susan. I have outlined many issues which are doubtful and would require a proper cross examination to address those issues further. You of course ignore the logical aspects and latch on to some aspects which you use to confirm your suspicions.

I guess being called Mark Roberst is a compliment. But anyone can see my quality of debating and knowledge of the subject is minute in comparison to his knowledge on the subject. So better luck next time.

I did source that list of contacts from his website. What's wrong with that?

I asked you if you contacted them, because you have said that you have contacted people in the area. I want to know if you contacted these specific responders. You say you have, I would love to see what you have from those interviews then. Maybe there is something from your interviews with the coroners we can all analyse together? So show us what you have from the interviews.

You seem pretty sensitive about being asked to contact these people? Why is that?

What I don't understand, is you claim UA93 was shot down. But, then you claim the debris could not be from a 757. So when they shot down UA93, with one or both of the two jets you claim was there. Where did the wreckage go?

I'm not sure what your position is. You make various references to it being shot down. But then you say the debris is not froma 757. Please clarify.

Why should I post on JREF? Won't get any arguments there. Here is where all the debates go on. I can't debate with people who agree with me. Defeats the point. There is no fun in that!! I want to debate, I don't want to read things that agree with my opinions. I want to read things that go against my opinions. That is why I am here.

Somehow I think I'm going to get banned. Oh well its been fun.

Why are you so shocked?

You don't think I would contact them? Why? Because they "might tell me something I don't want to hear"???

I didn't tell them I think a plane was shot down.

Why do I need to? I am a researcher not an evangelist. Unlike you, a lowly JREF troll who thinks his sole mission is to convert people to the Neo-Con Party.

Wally Miller recites the official story hook line and sinker.

I haven't called anyone a liar but if you would like me to start specifically naming people who are lying because too many other people contradict them I could.

LOL......United Airlines Flight 93 Debris Stored at Top Secret Iron Mountain, One of the Most Secured Locations on Earth. Now go consult Mark Roberts and the JREF trolls and come back and recite that it was the passengers clothes or something ridiculously unbelievable like that.

You ignore the only unedited interview with an actual eyewitness and confirm your bullshit fairy tale story.

My name is Hamba and I don't want a 42 or 10 minute interview with an actual eyewitness, I want a soundbite on a TV special or 3 sentences in a newspaper. Yawn.....

Being called Mark Roberts is far from a compliment. Unless you aspire to be a Nationalistic Neo-Con Shielding lying scumbag. If that's the case then congratulations!

Just letting you know it ain't the first time Mark Roberts list of reciters has been offered up to me. You'd be surprised how many people on that list have "No Comment" but you will find out in due time.

Oh yes let me hurry up and get that info up for you before the investigation is finished!!!

I can't wait to shoot a hole in my own ship to give you a head start on the final presentation!!!

It's not the first time I've seen the list.

I don't believe the plane was United Airlines Flight 93. I have not seen to date anything that positively identifies it as that so please don't insult me by posting a picture of a fuselage piece that could have been taken in New Baltimore for all you know.

I believe Ed Felt was not on the same plane cell phone calls were being made from telling about a passenger revolt.

The FACT that Lee Purbaugh the most trumpeted eyewitness in all of debunker history states with certainty that not only was the plane flying right side up but the belly of it was black.

So you are here basically to argue under the veil of debate. You are not here with an open mind willing to look at evidence you are not going to be allowed to see by those who told you a different story. You're here because you think being a Mark Roberts Nationalist is an honor.

I'm sure you have a few more chances to spam up the Pentagon section before that happens.

And Susan's story? Contradictions in whether or not she heard the explosion. I know she clarifies it later, but that's a peculiar and very noticeable event to confuse. Oh and lets not go into this wonder UAV, that to this day, 6 years down the line has still not surfaced. Don't say top secret. Because why are the US, developing a sub standard UAV then. The Global Hawk is far inferior to the craft that Susan claims she saw. Why are they still building this, instead of the better one? Doesn't seem right.

You are implying he is lying. You obviously believe the official story is all wrong, so therefore you believe what Wally Miller is saying is a lie. So you are by default calling him and other responders liars.

If flight93, was not shot down over Shanksville, then what are the alleged fighter jets doing over Shanksville? Why aren't they in Timbuctoo or whever UA93 was shot down? What is Susan's wonder UAV doing there then?

Where's your proof?