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Title: The Ugly Truth About "ufos" And "aliens"
Description: And why the whole thing is a scam


8bitagent - August 31, 2007 09:43 AM (GMT)
While it's true everyone from Henry Kissinger to Gorbachev to General Macarthur to Reagan himself spoke of how if there was an "alien threat", people would have to come together under a one world government...leading people to think someday the nwo could stage a manufactured "alien" threat as the ultimate false flag.

And people reading this are right, talking about UFOs and this sort of stuff is eye rolling to the dynamics of serious para political research like 9/11. "UFOs" are disinfo is what some of you are thinking.

And you're right, but perhaps for different reasons.

Is it any wonder why so many films more and more show a "aliens attacking" scenario, be it war of the worlds, signs, invasion, etc.

Mainstream news outlets, including Fox now report UFO incidents with a straight face(like the O'hare airport incident)

Globalists like the Rockefellers have poured money into UFOlogy, and they seem to think theres something too it

Meanwhile UFOlogists think aliens are our "space brothers", merely watching over us,
wanting to impart some sort of "grand wisdom"

Then theres people who think the US government has "crashed spacecraft" and "aliens" in underground bunkers.

I believe ALL of this is bullshit and disinformation. I dont believe that aliens are
at all intergalactic "aliens", nor government black budget projects. The phenomenon is too widespread, and too wild for that.

No, I believe theres a much darker and troubling explanation.

Why do so many crop circles are of very occult symbolism?

One that shows WHY elites like Adolf Hitler had a keen interest in UFOs, and believed that he was being controlled by an extraterrestrial, not unlike Crowley.

Not unlike Alice Bailey, founder of Lucifer(now Lucis) Trust, a recognized UN NGO that has been a major spiritual backbone for the UN agenda.

Or why the new age movement's deceit mirrors that of the alien's messages and
UFOlogy.

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Transcripts/ufo_1.htm

Now I am no Christian, but this fits the pattern of exactly what the global elites behind 9/11, child sacrifices, globalization, war, genocide, etc are into.
It's all about deception, trickery, deceit, and leading people down the path of false religions and false promises.

joe911 - August 31, 2007 10:20 AM (GMT)
Heres a great quote from the x files
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There not coming, there returning

Because there are records of aliens from anciend times like in ancient egypt.
Ufo in egyptian tombs

joe911 - August 31, 2007 10:24 AM (GMT)
My Webpage
Some more egyptian ufo pics.

Aztec pyramids

joe911 - August 31, 2007 10:59 AM (GMT)
IT IS NOT A SCAM

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE


Michal - August 31, 2007 11:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (joe911 @ Aug 31 2007, 10:20 AM)
Heres a great quote from the x files
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There not coming, there returning

Because there are records of aliens from anciend times like in ancient egypt.
Ufo in egyptian tombs

and even older records of more than reliable records of extraterrestrials activities on Earth.

joe911 - August 31, 2007 11:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Michal @ Aug 31 2007, 11:09 AM)
and even older records of more than reliable records of extraterrestrials activities on Earth.

huh , :blink:

Q-pid Stunt - August 31, 2007 12:57 PM (GMT)
8bitagent, before I got "distracted" by the disaster of 911, I had an interest in ufology, more as a tech-head than an alien-chaser. A UFO is not necessarily a flying saucer, it is a flying object that has not been properly identified. I had one woman convinced that a "spaceship" was watching her, and hiding behind a building so as not to be observed. I looked at a street directory and the inclination of the "lights", and came to the logical conclusion that each time the UFO appeared it was yet another plane's landing lights coming into the airport. Prevailing winds backed my opinion; but she clung to her belief that she was being watched by evil space aliens.

I have numerous first hand reports of "ufo" activity, including objects that moved in ways that planes and helicopters could never achieve. Whehter military tests of "unidentified" experiments or alien visitors, I'm not about to speculate.

Friends travelling on an inter-city bus were suddenly surrounded by bright light, and the bus stalled. It was unstartable. EVERY walkman in use, just stopped dead, and after twenty minutes when the "light" went away (No one was game to get out of the bus and look), walkmans started working again, and the bus started without a problem. Military or aliens?

I do find it odd that with the modern proliferation of digital cameras and videos that we haven't been inundated with more "genuine" encounters. I always carry an SLR and extra film in the car just in case something unusual pops up--that way I can't be accused of using Photoshop, but guess what? Haven't seen a thing for myself since I was in high school.

As for your attack on movies, where aliens just want to wipe us out, there have been just as many where the visitor is on the run from the military simply because they want to chop him up.

Remember that for years there was speculation about military stealth aircraft and a constant cry that no such thing existed, and then suddenly in the last few years, the Stealth Bomber was revealed to the public. I suspect it was released to divert our attention from something else, but what?

Andoo Inc. - August 31, 2007 01:04 PM (GMT)
explain the dogon tribe and their knowledge of the sirius dwarf star and i'll stop thinking otherwise.

Q-pid Stunt - August 31, 2007 01:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Andoo Inc. @ Aug 31 2007, 11:04 PM)
explain the dogon tribe and their knowledge of the sirius dwarf star and i'll stop thinking otherwise.

They're explained in three simple words:

YET ANOTHER CULT

look-up - August 31, 2007 01:48 PM (GMT)
8bit, good post, but I think there are legitimate ET/UFO stories, and disinfo ones.

It is not unreasonable to assume that someone might have figured out a way around the light-speed barrier, and could travel these distances rather shortly.

The disinfo stories are designed to make the legitimate ones seem less worthy of studying. Same M.O. as with 9/11, where they inject space beams and no planes into the picture.

Aliens are out there, and sometimes, they're here in our skies. The NWO elite want to control our knowledge of our interstellar neighbors. They want us to fear them, and eventually they'll want us to know they exist, but not today. That part of their plan is later on, I'm afraid.

Our only hope for understanding the situation is to somehow gain access to all UFO info in CIA & Military possession, or to have those aliens begin to violate what must be described as their "Prime Directive" not to interfere with life on Earth, and begin jamming our airwaves with positive spin propaganda to let us know they mean us no harm.

Remember, we don't just have accounts of ancient pseudo-religious activities involving stories of people from the skies. We also have very modern accounts of situations where the people we normally trust with things as precious as our nuclear weapon launch codes, describing incidents where UFOs have disabled their ability to launch.

It could be that these aliens knew we were about to launch, or if we weren't about to launch, felt they needed to express their extreme distaste for this type of weapon. Of course this is all my speculation, but these ETs may have tried to show the U.S. and the world that we very litterally CANNOT launch a nuclear missile towards a populated area ever again.

Remember, unlike a normal warhead, a nuclear device does not necessarily detonate upon impact with an object or with the ground. It requires a separate explosion inside which smashes the two semi-critical masses together into a critical mass, where the material is great enough to cause a chain reaction against any type of matter. All the aliens would need to do is remotely disable the trigger device for this small explosion.

They may know the difference between a test and a true attack, which could mean they have access to the highest levels of government intelligence in the world. Or it could mean they simply watch TV. Lord only knows what they think of Bill O'Reilly. :rolleyes:

North Koreas recent test for instance. They could have intercepted communications, decoded them (since they are arguably much more technically advanced) and realized that it was just a test, and allowed it to proceed.

I believe if the NWO gets too powerful, these neighbors of ours might decide that their prime directive no longer applies, and begin to make themselves known fully, suddenly releasing all of the information about the NWO to everyone via television or something similar.

Hey, it would at least make for a hell of a Sci-Fi movie, wouldn't it? And as I always say, recognizing that I am not as special as I might want to think, that if I can imagine a scenario, someone much more advanced than me could certainly imagine it, and possibly implement it.

System Of A Down - August 31, 2007 02:45 PM (GMT)
Sumerians are wierd

8bitagent - August 31, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
Oh I wasnt saying people dont see the flying saucers or aliens...

I was just saying I don't believe they are actually from another planet, or from the millitary...and I dont think its all people's hallucinations.

Of course such talks makes me sound like some evangelical Christian with an agenda...but I agree with a lot of what researcher Jack Valee says.

Even a lot of UFO researchers are starting to think this is not so much inter galactic...but interdimentional. And not of a positive kind.

Ranb40 - September 2, 2007 05:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (joe911 @ Aug 31 2007, 05:20 AM)
Because there are records of aliens from anciend times like in ancient egypt.
Ufo in egyptian tombs

Your link claims "Does this prove that the building and placement of the Pyramids were aided by alien intelligence?"

This makes your link just another one of those kooky websites that tries to dumb down the capabilities of human kind. Anyone who supports this crap is either young and inexperienced or has a screw loose.

You are still young kid. Please get out and live your life instead of dreaming at the keyboard. You will thank yourself when you get older.

Ranb

alive and still talking - September 2, 2007 05:59 PM (GMT)
inter-dimensional, agree totally. enjoyed the movie "the greatest story never told"
reveals much on the subject, ending explains a lot about what is going on with our
military.

joe911 - September 2, 2007 06:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ranb40 @ Sep 2 2007, 05:06 PM)
This makes your link just another one of those kooky websites that tries to dumb down the capabilities of human kind.

ranb, were talking about ancient civilizations, they diddnt have our knowlage of structures, and they were built with modern day precision, they were acurate within a few centimeteres

alive and still talking - September 2, 2007 06:56 PM (GMT)
My Webpage link shows proof of UFO's also evidence of inter-dimensional space
demonstrated right here on earth.

alive and still talking - September 3, 2007 01:44 AM (GMT)
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that is right, structures could not have been built any other way.

System Of A Down - September 3, 2007 02:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (System Of A Down @ Aug 31 2007, 09:45 AM)
Sumerians are wierd

Yep.

Ranb40 - September 5, 2007 12:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (joe911 @ Sep 2 2007, 01:55 PM)
ranb, were talking about ancient civilizations, they diddnt have our knowlage of structures, and they were built with modern day precision, they were acurate within a few centimeteres

I am talking about ancient civilizations that spent hundreds of years learning to build magnificent structures.

You are talking about a group of people who you claim did not know how to stack stones on top of each other and make them into one of the most basic structural shapes known to man. These people had ropes to measure; it is no big feat to make a nearly perfect square with a rope. You really need to look into how the pyramids were built before you belittle one of the greatest civilizations of the ancient world. There are various theories; the most believable ones are those that do not involve BS alien help.

You are falling into the typical trap that ignorant but proud people fall into sometimes. If you do not know how something was done, then it of course could not be done. If everyone was this stupid, then humans would still be killing their meat with rocks and living in caves.

Ranb

joe911 - September 6, 2007 06:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ranb40 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:27 AM)
the most believable ones are those that do not involve BS alien help.


ermm, why is it bs, people think that saying the goverment killing 3000 of its citizens is bs, but we all godda be open minded

Ranb40 - September 8, 2007 12:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (joe911 @ Sep 6 2007, 01:03 PM)
ermm, why is it bs, people think that saying the goverment killing 3000 of its citizens is bs, but we all godda be open minded

I call it alien BS because there is no good evidence that aliens from another planet have ever visited Earth. There is no evidence that aliens helped build the pyramids.

There is a big difference between an open mind and having a hole in your head so large your brains fall out. Do you understand that by giving credit for building the pyramids to aliens you are insulting the Egyptians and mankind in general?

Ranb

Halifan - September 8, 2007 03:01 AM (GMT)
There were ways back then to move great amounts of weight and lift these amounts of weight buy just using simple machines that we still use today. As for presision they could have very well use there own form of mesuring and mathamatics. These people had there own language and own writing and comunicating why is it so hard to belive that they were not smart enough to build these temples and pyramids. Think how advanced so of our buildings are getting personlly i find it astonishing that we have the technology to build some of our structres.

alive and still talking - September 9, 2007 04:40 AM (GMT)
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Bongo Thud - September 9, 2007 05:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Sep 2 2007, 01:56 PM)
My Webpage link shows proof of UFO's also evidence of inter-dimensional space
demonstrated right here on earth.

No, it does not.

alive and still talking - September 9, 2007 04:46 PM (GMT)
did you watch the link in it's entirety ? doubt it.

alive and still talking - September 9, 2007 05:34 PM (GMT)
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there is indisputable evidence that man's religion was in observance of UFO visits
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religious parchments and chronicles have well-documented sightings and have been protected and preserved by religious scribes throughout the millenium
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The above picture is from a book entitled Prodigiorum Ac Ostentorum Chronicon by Conrad Lycosthenes (1518-1561). Basel: Henricpteri, 1557. It depicts a UFO sighting in Arabia in 1479. The book is held at the Australian Museum Research Library.
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More wheels! This picture shows a UFO sighting over Hamburg, Germany 4 November 1697. The objects were described as "two glowing wheels".
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This image is by flemish artist Aert De Gelder and is entitled "The Baptism of Christ" It was painted in 1710 and hangs in the Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge. A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.

many of these sightings can be found in illustrations in historical catherderals, in the form of stucco paintings, tapestry, and even stained glass.

alive and still talking - September 9, 2007 06:11 PM (GMT)
ever since ancient man could draw pictures, he has recorded close encounters with
ufo phenomena and kept vigil over his religious conclusion based on his experience
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Sego Canyon , Utah. Estimated up to 5,500 BC.

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These are illustrations from a book by Lt. Grey. "Journals of Two Expeditions of Discovery in North-West and Western Australia 1837, 1838, & 1839". He led an expedition in the 19th century to some caves near the Glenelg River region of Kimberley, Northern Australia where he came across a series of cave paintings. The beings are called the Wandjina by the Aboriginies who painted them.
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More examples of Wandjina. These a images from Kimberley, Australia. Possibly 5,000 years old. Some people believe they may represent ET beings. Here is a link giving you more info on Aboriginal beliefs.
user posted imageThe above photo is of a number of reptilian entities found in Iraq. They are dated at 5000-4500 BC. They are housed in the british museum.
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These photos depict figures found in Equador. Notice they appear to be wearing space suits. You can see a comparison photo with an Apollo astronaut.
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These petroglyphs were created thousands of years ago by ancient Indians in the American Southwest. According to Indian folklore, two objects collided high in the sky and one crash-landed in the region of Death Valley.
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This two images are from France, the cave of "Pech Merle" near "Le Cabrerets" c.17,000 - 15,000 BC. The scene depicts a landscape full of wildlife together with a number of saucer shaped objects. The objects seem totally out of context.
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These two examples of rock art are from Toro Muerto,Peru 12-14,000 years old. Notice the beings have some sort of halo or covering over their heads

Bongo Thud - September 9, 2007 07:40 PM (GMT)
People have always been imaginative, and creative. People have also always had dreams which could easily be made into paintings. This collage of pictures is Not indisputable evidence.

Ranb40 - September 10, 2007 02:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Sep 9 2007, 01:11 PM)
ever since ancient man could draw pictures, .......

Instead of giving us your opinion, why not some hard evidence? While the drawings are interesting as old art, they are worthless as evidence of aliens visiting from off Earth.

Ranb

Powerhouse - September 10, 2007 01:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Andoo Inc. @ Aug 31 2007, 08:04 AM)
explain the dogon tribe and their knowledge of the sirius dwarf star and i'll stop thinking otherwise.

The Dogon people were documented to have known about the Sirius double-star about 50 years after it had been discovered by astronomers.

T3QuillAMocKINGbird - September 10, 2007 04:55 PM (GMT)
I took this photo myself. Was on vacation in Sedona AZ and happened to grab my camera just in time. It is a Real UFO but only because it is a Unidentifiable Freewaying Object. I was Inducted by Aliens into their hall of fame.

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alive and still talking - September 12, 2007 06:41 PM (GMT)
that's hilarious!

maybe you have a comment to explain those goons in black suits
who appear to be guarding our elected officials :P
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MtnKnght - September 15, 2007 03:31 PM (GMT)
I believe :)

too much information out there to be 100% dis-info.


If just .0001 % is true, that opens the floodgates my fellow Earthlings.!



Besides, where the heck did they come up with all that technology so fast in the 40's? Damn sure was'nt because of the internal combustion engine.

Doubtful we had humans passionately ripping atoms apart and recombining elements during the 30's... right?

Rossmancer - September 19, 2007 03:20 PM (GMT)
I believe in Ufos but, I watched a documentary about it on tv, and it showed how easy it was to make crop circles. Like ridiculously easy. You just need a measuring tape, a stick and a rope. And you can make a huge one in one night. They showed a time lapsed video of one being created. It was impressive.

MtnKnght - September 23, 2007 08:45 PM (GMT)
you watched a video on TV and it convinced you crop circles were bogus.

anyone surprised by this revelation? thought not.


check out the amount of circles lately. way too many to be perps out there making them and NOT being recorded.

did you see the alien face ? with the corresponding DNA tablets showing differences in strands between them and us.?

wont find them on TV.

e-dog - September 23, 2007 09:12 PM (GMT)
Oh NO!
Does this mean Bush is an alien?

Joking :lol:
I agree with MtnKnght, There is just WAY too much info out there to be all disinfo.
Aliens can be Inter galactical, Inter dimensional and they can even be from the bottom of our own oceans.. Who knows? :blink:


IT--

joe - October 21, 2007 06:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Q-pid Stunt @ Aug 31 2007, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (Andoo Inc. @ Aug 31 2007, 11:04 PM)
explain the dogon tribe and their knowledge of the sirius dwarf star and i'll stop thinking otherwise.

They're explained in three simple words:

YET ANOTHER CULT

you are so ignorant. The Dagon have very specific information about Sirius and without modern technology. And the Sumerians had tremendous knowledge about space impossible without space flight.

joe - October 21, 2007 06:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ranb40 @ Sep 7 2007, 07:15 PM)
QUOTE (joe911 @ Sep 6 2007, 01:03 PM)
ermm, why is it bs, people think that saying the goverment killing 3000 of its citizens is bs, but we all godda be open minded

I call it alien BS because there is no good evidence that aliens from another planet have ever visited Earth. There is no evidence that aliens helped build the pyramids.

There is a big difference between an open mind and having a hole in your head so large your brains fall out. Do you understand that by giving credit for building the pyramids to aliens you are insulting the Egyptians and mankind in general?

Ranb

its not an insult, you fool, to read the translations of the Sumerian clay tablets and see what they said.

joe - October 21, 2007 06:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (T3QuillAMocKINGbird @ Sep 10 2007, 11:55 AM)
I took this photo myself. Was on vacation in Sedona AZ and happened to grab my camera just in time. It is a Real UFO but only because it is a Unidentifiable Freewaying Object. I was Inducted by Aliens into their hall of fame.

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oh man , youre funny

alive and still talking - October 23, 2007 07:30 AM (GMT)
joe, that pic takes the prize :)




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