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Title: The Passangers
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involved - August 30, 2007 06:45 AM (GMT)
I would say most people aboard the flights were Government witnesses and other people the Government needed to have dissappear. All the families got $1 million dollars which would be enough to start a new life anywhere.

Slamin - August 30, 2007 10:07 PM (GMT)
And you know this how? Saying it is so does not make it so.

hotrob1017 - September 12, 2007 02:52 PM (GMT)
I agree with Slammin. Do you have any proof of these alleged financial transactions? A million dollars is a lot of money; has it shown up in anyone's bank account?

Also, this seems pretty disrespectful to the grieving families. You're suggesting that they were paid off to look the other way on their loved one's deaths.

involved - September 13, 2007 06:34 AM (GMT)
Lets start with the Pilot that was flying the plane that got hi jacked and hit the Pentagon. This man worked at the Pentagon on a project in which a plane flew into the Pentagon then retired and took a job at American Airlines. His family would have gotten 1 million for his death by the Government and who knows what else he had maybe some life insurnace, and I am sure American Airlines has some sort or flight insurance. To dig a little into the lives of each passenger on this plane would make a lot of sense because as we all now know American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14643

hotrob1017 - September 13, 2007 05:00 PM (GMT)
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Lets start with the Pilot that was flying the plane that got hi jacked and hit the Pentagon. This man worked at the Pentagon on a project in which a plane flew into the Pentagon then retired and took a job at American Airlines.


You're referring to Charles "Chick" Burlingame. If you want to disrespect the man's memory by making these allegations, you could at least have the guts to call him by his name.

At any rate, your scenario makes no sense. What are you saying? That Burlingame was killed because he was a witness? Because he'd been involved in this alleged plane crash exercise (by the way, what exercise are you referring to? Do you have a name for it? A test date? A source?), they decided to have his plane be hijacked and crashed to keep him quiet? Doesn't the fact that you claim to know about this supposed crash test project negate the whole point?

Besides, how could the government know that most of the people on board the hijacked flights would be people they needed to "disappear"? That's giving it (the government) way too much credit.


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. His family would have gotten 1 million for his death by the Government and who knows what else he had maybe some life insurnace, and I am sure American Airlines has some sort or flight insurance.


Up to this point, your post has just been silly. Now it becomes offensive. Tell me, involved, how much money would it take to make you look the other way on your father's or mother's murder? Or your husband's or wife's? Especially if you knew that those responsible had killed your loved one as part of a larger scheme to mercilessly slaughter nearly three thousand people?

Would a million dollars really be enough to keep you quiet on that for the rest of your life?

Also, do you have a shred of evidence to support this outrageous claim? One million dollars is a fairly specific number; do you have an accountant friend who was able to trace, oh, about 3,000 simultaneous transfers of such a large sum? Because if you were just making this up without any foundational support, that would be pretty horrible.

Tell you what. If you really believe any of what you're saying here, you can go ahead and call up Wendy Burlingame, Captain Burlingame's daughter. Get on the phone and denounce her for the money-grubbing scumbag she is. Lay into her about how she was an accomplice in her father's murder and how you'll be doing your utmost to make sure everyone knows it.

Be sure and record the conversation. I'm sure we'd all just love to hear it.



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as we all now know American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.


I assume that "we all" only refers to members of this site, and only some of the members at that. I further assume that "know" means "are firmly convinced, and will flat-out ignore any and all evidence to the contrary."

mid life crises - September 19, 2007 02:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hotrob1017 @ Sep 13 2007, 05:00 PM)
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Lets start with the Pilot that was flying the plane that got hi jacked and hit the Pentagon. This man worked at the Pentagon on a project in which a plane flew into the Pentagon then retired and took a job at American Airlines.


You're referring to Charles "Chick" Burlingame. If you want to disrespect the man's memory by making these allegations, you could at least have the guts to call him by his name.

At any rate, your scenario makes no sense. What are you saying? That Burlingame was killed because he was a witness? Because he'd been involved in this alleged plane crash exercise (by the way, what exercise are you referring to? Do you have a name for it? A test date? A source?), they decided to have his plane be hijacked and crashed to keep him quiet? Doesn't the fact that you claim to know about this supposed crash test project negate the whole point?

Besides, how could the government know that most of the people on board the hijacked flights would be people they needed to "disappear"? That's giving it (the government) way too much credit.


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. His family would have gotten 1 million for his death by the Government and who knows what else he had maybe some life insurnace, and I am sure American Airlines has some sort or flight insurance.


Up to this point, your post has just been silly. Now it becomes offensive. Tell me, involved, how much money would it take to make you look the other way on your father's or mother's murder? Or your husband's or wife's? Especially if you knew that those responsible had killed your loved one as part of a larger scheme to mercilessly slaughter nearly three thousand people?

Would a million dollars really be enough to keep you quiet on that for the rest of your life?

Also, do you have a shred of evidence to support this outrageous claim? One million dollars is a fairly specific number; do you have an accountant friend who was able to trace, oh, about 3,000 simultaneous transfers of such a large sum? Because if you were just making this up without any foundational support, that would be pretty horrible.

Tell you what. If you really believe any of what you're saying here, you can go ahead and call up Wendy Burlingame, Captain Burlingame's daughter. Get on the phone and denounce her for the money-grubbing scumbag she is. Lay into her about how she was an accomplice in her father's murder and how you'll be doing your utmost to make sure everyone knows it.

Be sure and record the conversation. I'm sure we'd all just love to hear it.



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as we all now know American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.


I assume that "we all" only refers to members of this site, and only some of the members at that. I further assume that "know" means "are firmly convinced, and will flat-out ignore any and all evidence to the contrary."

Ummm, tragically, Wendy Burlingame recently died in a suspicious apartment fire....she was the only causualty. There is a thread about it somewhere on this forum.
Wonder who she was talking with before she died?

hotrob1017 - September 19, 2007 03:57 PM (GMT)
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Ummm, tragically, Wendy Burlingame recently died in a suspicious apartment fire....she was the only causualty.
Wonder who she was talking with before she died?


I was unaware of that and it is, as you said, very tragic. However, if you want to know Ms. Burlingame's opinion on the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, look no further than this snapshot of a particular post she made last year on these very forums:

Wendy Burlingame on Loose Change Forums

The horrible fire took place six months ago and was labeled "suspicious" in the initial investigation. Has it been officially declared arson? Is there a further investigation underway? Do you have any reason to believe that her position changed since she made these posts?

mid life crises - September 19, 2007 09:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hotrob1017 @ Sep 19 2007, 03:57 PM)
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Ummm, tragically, Wendy Burlingame recently died in a suspicious apartment fire....she was the only causualty.
Wonder who she was talking with before she died?


I was unaware of that and it is, as you said, very tragic. However, if you want to know Ms. Burlingame's opinion on the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, look no further than this snapshot of a particular post she made last year on these very forums:

Wendy Burlingame on Loose Change Forums

The horrible fire took place six months ago and was labeled "suspicious" in the initial investigation. Has it been officially declared arson? Is there a further investigation underway? Do you have any reason to believe that her position changed since she made these posts?

Nope , sure don't.
I don't even know if that was really she who posted on these forums.

hotrob1017 - September 24, 2007 04:04 PM (GMT)
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I don't even know if that was really she who posted on these forums.



Fair enough. But even if this post wasn't actually hers, as far as I know there isn't any evidence suggesting she had any objection to the official theory.

mid life crises - September 24, 2007 06:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hotrob1017 @ Sep 24 2007, 04:04 PM)
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I don't even know if that was really she who posted on these forums.



Fair enough. But even if this post wasn't actually hers, as far as I know there isn't any evidence suggesting she had any objection to the official theory.

And it is unfortunate that now we will never know her thoughts.

ogrady - October 1, 2007 05:48 PM (GMT)
Where do we get the assumption that all the passenger families got $1 million?

Since everything we have been told about 911 is a lie, why believe the passenger list? Since AA 11 and 77 were not scheduled flights on that day, why believe they flew? Since the Northwoods plan advocated using agents posing as students who would be disembarked before the 'accident', why believe in the list of victims?? Does any one of us actually know any of these passengers? Why, when we know the media lies to us every day, do we believe anything we saw on TV?

Check out the 911 Passenger List Oddity at: http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html

Very interesting line of research that should be pursued.

hotrob1017 - October 1, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
What are you suggesting, that the passengers didn't even exist? What about their families? Their jobs? For crying out loud, one of the victims was the wife of the U.S. Solicitor General.

And no, I don't believe the media "lies to us every day." I believe that journalism's standards have degraded sharply when the latest on Paris or Lindsey receives more coverage than a suicide bombing or genocide in Darfur, but I don't believe that hundreds of thousands of journalists and technicians could be coerced into completely fabricating such a despicable lie.

Again with this common assumption of the "Truth" Movement that there are plenty of people out there who would willingly serve as accomplices in the events of September 11.

involved - October 5, 2007 10:33 AM (GMT)
Ogrady said "Where do we get the assumption that all the passenger families got $1 million?"

The American Government gave $1 million dollars per victim of 9/11, although many victims families opted out of this first settlement and sued on there own for alot more http://www.lieffcabraser.com/probono.htm

hotrob1017 - October 9, 2007 05:11 PM (GMT)
Ask yourself: would a million dollars really buy your silence on the murder of your loved one?

holycanoli - October 11, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (involved @ Sep 13 2007, 01:34 AM)
Lets start with the Pilot that was flying the plane that got hi jacked and hit the Pentagon. This man worked at the Pentagon on a project in which a plane flew into the Pentagon then retired and took a job at American Airlines. His family would have gotten 1 million for his death by the Government and who knows what else he had maybe some life insurnace, and I am sure American Airlines has some sort or flight insurance. To dig a little into the lives of each passenger on this plane would make a lot of sense because as we all now know American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14643

Then please explain the wreckage at the site of the pentagon.

involved - October 26, 2007 06:48 AM (GMT)
Planted

hotrob1017 - October 26, 2007 10:02 PM (GMT)
That's it?

Who planted it? Why did no one notice this suspicious planting? What happened to the actual plane? What about the DNA-tested remains found among the wreckage?

involved - October 28, 2007 08:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hotrob1017 @ Oct 26 2007, 05:02 PM)
That's it?

Who planted it? Why did no one notice this suspicious planting? What happened to the actual plane? What about the DNA-tested remains found among the wreckage?

My theory is the Fire Trucks could have been hallowed out and some of the planes parts were taken from the inside of the trucks and scattered around the scene. Some parts were placed in the Pentagon prior to the explosion and the others scattered around by hand and also picked back up by hand. Just think for a minute what it would take to stage this crime scene. Some spare plane parts one or two firetrucks and a couple of dozen men. And a few witnesses ready to talk to reporters?

hotrob1017 - October 28, 2007 08:10 PM (GMT)
I suppose that's not impossible, but it still doesn't explain the DNA-tested remains.

involved - October 29, 2007 10:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hotrob1017 @ Oct 28 2007, 03:10 PM)
I suppose that's not impossible, but it still doesn't explain the DNA-tested remains.

Well it amazes me that a plane made out of steel vaporizes and yet they are able to identifiy just about every single person by DNA. I am sure human skin, blood, hair and bones are very strong and tough and steel is just weak and fragil, or is it the other way around. Also look who indentified the DNA, the same lab as did the other DNA testing from the other crashes. Also worth noting they did the DNA at the Oklahoma City trajedy.

hotrob1017 - October 29, 2007 02:47 PM (GMT)
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Well it amazes me that a plane made out of steel vaporizes and yet they are able to identifiy just about every single person by DNA.


As far as I'm aware, nowhere in the 9/11 Comission Report or any other official publication supporting the mainstream account does it say that the plane was "vaporized". Hence the recovery of debris.



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Also look who indentified the DNA, the same lab as did the other DNA testing from the other crashes. Also worth noting they did the DNA at the Oklahoma City trajedy.


Your point?




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