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Title: White Elephant Explanation
Description: And how the planes were guided.


Repentless - August 22, 2007 06:46 PM (GMT)
Okay, I've seen many videos about the white elephant plane(s) and heard many reports about them. And while I was thinking that, I came across this:
QUOTE (Russel Pickering)
HOW were the planes guided into their targets?


Wouldn't it be a fairly likely possibility that the white elephants were used as the guides? What I mean is... look at the picture below.

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(Above image public domain, you can use it for what you want, there is a large version in the Wikimedia Commons)

Two Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) team members, one equipped with an AN-PAQ-1 laser target designator. Keep this image in mind.

Now, I remember something about the white elephant being uniformly identified as a C-130.

Now, take a look at the picture below.

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This is a AC-130H Spectre, a military gunship. It is a modified, third-generation C-130 specifically equipped for this task.

"These heavily armed aircraft incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensor, navigation and fire control systems to provide surgical firepower or area saturation during extended periods, at night and in adverse weather."
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm

This plane is usually armed with:

two M61 20mm Vulcan cannons
with 3,000 rounds
one L60 40mm Bofors cannon
with 256 rounds
one M102 105mm howitzer
with 100 rounds One 25mm GAU-12 Gatling gun
(1,800 rounds per minute)
one L60 40mm Bofors cannon
(100 shots per minute)
one M102 105mm cannon
(6-10 rounds per minute)

Now, let's say you modify this plane and replace three of the guns with laser designators. Have it fly around New York, and have three lasers trained on three different buildings (WTC1, WTC2, Pentagon). Then, when the planes fly in, have them home in on the laser point and they will go straight in to the side of the buildings. Today's laser-guided bombs can be sent straight through a specific window with a laser point. Laser guided weaponry is EXTREMELY accurate. This could explain how certain videos show the plane hitting one of the towers dive-bombed in at a steep angle, pulled up at the last second, and twitched to the left to hit a point on the building.

Now, what do you think? I see no other reason for a C-130 to be in the sky that day circling New York. What are your opinions? Do you think this is a credible explanation?

Repentless - August 24, 2007 01:01 AM (GMT)
Please, somebody... I need a comment on this -.-

jfk - August 24, 2007 01:10 AM (GMT)
I don't have a link handy, but in one of the videos of the second tower hit you can actually see a dot move across the face of the building and the plane appears to literally follow that dot.

The video I am referring to was way before the no plane crap. ;)

The odd thing was it only appeared in one vid.... Maybe a different CCD sensor in the camera ? :unsure:

Repentless - August 24, 2007 01:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Aug 23 2007, 08:10 PM)
I don't have a link handy, but in one of the videos of the second tower hit you can actually see a dot move across the face of the building and the plane appears to literally follow that dot.

The video I am referring to was way before the no plane crap. ;)

The odd thing was it only appeared in one vid.... Maybe a different CCD sensor in the camera ? :unsure:

If you could get that link, it would be a real help :D

Thanks for your comments.

8bitagent - August 24, 2007 10:02 AM (GMT)
Is it possible the hijackers "handlers" told them coordinances to punch in once they got hold of the cockpits, then the planes cruised on autopilot toward some sort of marker beacons placed in the towers/pentagon?

Makes more sense then plane swapping or electronic hijacking.

SPreston - August 24, 2007 01:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Aug 24 2007, 06:02 AM)
Is it possible the hijackers "handlers" told them coordinances to punch in once they got hold of the cockpits, then the planes cruised on autopilot toward some sort of marker beacons placed in the towers/pentagon?

Makes more sense then plane swapping or electronic hijacking.

Since the 'handlers' of the 'hijackers' as proven by many documents were the CIA and FBI and US Military, where does that get you? Still just an 'inside job' by the Bush Regime, right? That still does not get you around the huge problem that these 'patsy' clowns were incapable of competently flying those aircraft and that the 'planners' of the 'New Pearl Harbor event' would never trust their vital operation to actual 'hijackers' where almost anything could go wrong. (id est: any normal aircraft emergency, a successful standoff by the original pilots, a successful takeover of the aircraft by passengers, getting lost in the skies, missing the target as apparently happened at the Pentagon, an overly patriotic fighter pilot shooting them down, 'hijackers' panicking and changing their minds, any number of other possibilities) Nope, actual 'hijackers' were much too risky were they not? :rolleyes:

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Repentless - August 24, 2007 06:42 PM (GMT)
8bit agent, the laser on the side of the building would suffice for your "marker" or "beacon"- Do a google search on how laser guided bombs work.

jfk - August 24, 2007 07:41 PM (GMT)
Sorry about the delay.... I had to install a scsi card and tape drive in one of my off line secondary computers to retrieve these captured images..... and then do a "floppy shuffle".

I cannot find a publicly accessible original video file, but I did not look that hard either.

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Personally I make no claims either way, but I do find this curious. ;)

8bitagent - August 24, 2007 08:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Aug 24 2007, 07:41 PM)
Sorry about the delay.... I had to install a scsi card and tape drive in one of my off line secondary computers to retrieve these captured images..... and then do a "floppy shuffle".

I cannot find a publicly accessible original video file, but I did not look that hard either.

user posted image

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Personally I make no claims either way, but I do find this curious. ;)

I've seen the same phenomenon(a white orb marking where the plane will hit) in the famous rare North Tower Flight 11 strike footage, known as the Halva(sp?) footage only aired a few times.

I just assumed it was a bird or something. It is curious tho.

Digest - August 28, 2007 08:16 AM (GMT)
just fyi - Real world weapon guidance laser designators do not appear as a a red or white dot on thier targets like in the movies.

Ken - August 28, 2007 09:18 AM (GMT)
FYI, most laser designators work on a wavelength not visible to the human eye.

Repentless - August 28, 2007 10:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ken @ Aug 28 2007, 04:18 AM)
FYI, most laser designators work on a wavelength not visible to the human eye.

True. Jfk didn't claim that was a laser point though, he just said it was curious that the plane followed it and hit (I do find it a bit off myself.) I guess we'll never know, but I see no alternate explanation for the white elephant(s). I've got a screencap of one of them flying right by one of the trade centers as the second plane hits.

jfk - August 28, 2007 01:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Repentless @ Aug 28 2007, 06:52 AM)
QUOTE (Ken @ Aug 28 2007, 04:18 AM)
FYI, most laser designators work on a wavelength not visible to the human eye.

True. Jfk didn't claim that was a laser point though, he just said it was curious that the plane followed it and hit (I do find it a bit off myself.) I guess we'll never know, but I see no alternate explanation for the white elephant(s). I've got a screencap of one of them flying right by one of the trade centers as the second plane hits.

Thank you Repentless.

@ the "FYIers" :

Did I not state earlier that this anomaly appears in only one video that day ?

Did I not question whether it might be due to a different type CCD in the camera ?

I have 2 different "webcams".... One can see my remote's LED output while the other cannot.

It is this observation upon which I base my curiosity.

This topic happened to address this observation which is why I provided my input.

NOT that I NEED to explain myself. :rolleyes:

e^n - August 28, 2007 01:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Aug 28 2007, 08:28 AM)
Did I not question whether it might be due to a different type CCD in the camera ?

I have 2 different "webcams".... One can see my remote's LED output while the other cannot.

Just FYI, this is generally not down to a difference in CCD or CMOS sensors as almost all models will have IR sensitivity. One of your webcams likely has an IR filter pre-CCD.

This of course doesn't change the substance of your post, but the rest of this thread shows the problems with this theory.




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