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Repentless - August 22, 2007 06:29 PM (GMT)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

jfk - August 22, 2007 08:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Repentless @ Aug 22 2007, 02:29 PM)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

Pinpoint precision in reference to the true target.... Naval intelligence. ;)

JackD - August 22, 2007 08:14 PM (GMT)
devil's advocate - why a flyover at Pentagon? why not just crash a real plane?

1) need for one single "cause" of ALL pentagon damage -- a plane. end of story.
JFK -- one man, one magic bullet
RFK - one crazy palestinian, one gun
OKC - one man, one truck bomb
WTC - one plane crash, one building collapse
Pentagon -- one hani hanjour w/ boxcutter, one smoky confusing AA77 crash, damage to *cough* rings E, D (naval command, naval intel) C ring (unknown, army audit) and B ring (unknown)

2) a 757 slamming at 400mph into a reinforced building might prove insufficient or unpredictable enough to cause the desired pattern of death and damage.
a 757 is a very blunt instrument.
explosives would be more precise

3) explosives ALONE would be awfully hard to "sell" to the public

4) A plane is necessary as the 'cover story' for deaths/destruction in precise parts of pentagon.
options?

a) use AA77 hijacked plane. prob>? hard to find a good enough pilot, or suicidal enough pilot. if it missed, your whole plan is kaput. human factor very hard to control.

B) use a plane that looks like AA77, fly it remotely into Pentagon.
Now we're cooking!!

problem? debris from a plane that was not N644AA might be picked up by wrong people, checkd for serial numbers, lack of seats, bodies, US mail, etc

c) put a plane near/over Pentagon, but don't crash it into building. Use planted and friendly witnesses to "spin" the media story.
On a day when 3 other planes are documented Hijacks, it's pretty hard to deny a 4th.
explosives alone cause damage.

make the plane disappear. this is now a basic magic trick. i would find it unbelievably difficult to make plane disappear from view and memories -- but confiscation of all video would be an essential part of this -- and then making sure any one trying to insinuate a flyover was made to look as idiotic and deranged as possible.

repeat as necessary.




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Terrorcell - August 22, 2007 08:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Aug 22 2007, 08:11 PM)
QUOTE (Repentless @ Aug 22 2007, 02:29 PM)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

Pinpoint precision in reference to the true target.... Naval intelligence. ;)

Absolutely.

SPreston - August 23, 2007 03:06 AM (GMT)
Why a flyover?
QUOTE (Repentless @ Aug 22 2007, 02:29 PM)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

One possibility:
The pilot remotely piloting the 757 at 400+ knots screwed up and accidentally followed the contour of the freeway and it was too late to get back on the official flight path without doing a complete flyaround, and the overseer of the Pentagon OP ordered him to flyover the Pentagon and set off the explosives on schedule, because the damage on the north of the Citgo flight path would not match the preplanted explosives. Then they screwed up the light pole through the windshield fakery on Lloyd England's taxicab and then the danged Reagan National firefighters showed up uninvited and threw another wrench into the works, and pictures were taken of the Pentagon wall before the roof was caved in. Not a good day for the Pentagon team, but they are bluffing their way through the bungled operation anyway. :D

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SPreston - August 23, 2007 02:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terrorcell @ Aug 22 2007, 04:25 PM)
QUOTE (jfk)
QUOTE (Repentless)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

QUOTE (jfk)
Pinpoint precision in reference to the true target.... Naval intelligence. ;)

Absolutely.

Two main targets; the Naval Telecommunications Operations Center group coordinating the Navy’s response to the attacks on the world Trade Center and their personnel and files, and the $2.3 Trillion missing Defense Department funds and their auditors and investigators and files. Bombs went off within the Pentagon at 9:32 and at least 5 minutes before the Flight 77 official crash time of 9:37, which itself had been moved forward from the original official crash time of 9:43 (11 minutes earlier) as they realized their timing sucked.
Mission Accomplished. :rolleyes: clock 1 - clock 2

Are we to believe that these clocks were 5-6 minutes slow in a military installation where personnel considered time as precise?
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QUOTE (Barbara Honegger)
The Pentagon was first attacked at 9:32 am, much earlier than the 9/11 Commission and official cover story claim. (In this summary of evidence, the more precise time of 9:31:40 am is "rounded up" for ease of reference.)

The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon - 9:32.

Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.

Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks on the walls of the area of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11 -including one in the heliport just outside the west face- were stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 by a violent event, almost certainly a bomb or bombs inside the building and/or in a truck or construction trailer parked right outside the west face. The first Associated Press report, in fact, stated that the Pentagon had been damaged by a "booby trapped truck." The Navy posted the stopped heliport clock on an official website and another of the stopped clocks is in the 9/11 display at the Smithsonian Institution. (clock) These are just some of the west section Pentagon clocks that stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 on September 11. (clock 2)

The Pentagon was attacked by bomb(s) at or around 9:32 am, possibly followed by an impact from an airborne object significantly smaller than Flight 77, a Boeing 757.

This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was "missing" -could not account for and needed to "find"- $2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could "follow the money," and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the "missing" trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote-control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly of the front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter,[5] and as Air Force A-3 Sky Warriors -normally piloted planes- were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missiles in a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the months before 9/11,[6] the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data were intentionally targeted on 9/11.
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id206.html
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

QUOTE (Naval intelligence unit targeted)
IT operations were hit in Pentagon attack; new equipment ordered

"The Pentagon has placed an emergency order for desktop and workstation security equipment in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack that destroyed several classified communications and technical help desk centers.
Defense Department officials and sources said the areas damaged by last Tuesday's attack include the U.S. Navy's Telecommunications Operations Center, sensitive chief of naval operations offices and help desk operations within the U.S. Army's Information Management Support Center. To date, seven Navy telecommunications specialists and two intelligence officers have been added to the list of personnel missing since the attack on the Pentagon, according to the Navy.
Navy Adm. Vern Clark, chief of naval operations, acknowledged last week that the Navy Telecommunications Operations Center was located near the impact area but said it wasn't fully destroyed. "We have reestablished our operations center, and it is functioning," said Clark.
However, a former Navy intelligence officer who spoke on condition of anonymity said the location of the crash almost certainly caused damage to many top-secret network operations within the Department of the Navy. But, the former officer said, it's likely the attack disrupted only programmatic and management functions and had little or no impact on the Navy's ability to communicate intelligence or orders to Navy vessels.
There are also new indications today that the damage to the Pentagon goes beyond the area around Corridor 4, where the commercial airliner struck. The Army office of public affairs, which is located in and around Corridor 6, remains dislocated from its offices, according to a voice mail message left by Paul Boyce, public affairs specialist for the Army." -Computer World (09/19/01)

Capt. Gerald F. DeConto, USN Scholarship 5K Run-Walk

"The Captain Gerald F. DeConto Scholarship was started by Captain DeConto’s family after he was killed on September 11th. Captain DeConto grew up on Cape Cod where most people still refer to him simply as “Jerry”. Jerry was a dedicated Naval officer who was respected and admired by those he served for, by those he served with, and by those who served for him. At the time of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon Jerry was in charge of the Navy Command Center and was in direct communication with the Secretary of the Navy coordinating the Navy’s response to the attacks on the world Trade Center." - geralddeconto5k.com

CAPT Gerald Francis DeConto, USN ’79

"As director of the current operations and plans branch of the Navy Command Center, CAPT Gerald F. DeConto, 44, was organizing the Navy’s response to the World Trade Center attack when he died in the crash at the Pentagon."  - U.S. Naval Academy Alumni Association and Foundation
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/fatalities.html

JackD - August 26, 2007 12:50 AM (GMT)

I don't think you need a flyover, but, consider the ASCE building impact statement that maps out the Pentagon damage -- you DO NEED a "south-side" alleged impact.


Note that for the "official report" that shows a diagonal path of greatest damage (including alleged "exit holes" of aircraft) -- the 'official flight path' is the only one that lines up the damage pattern properly, from E ring to D ring (naval command) to C ring (army personnel?)

Merc and Lyte's "North side" flight path, even if it ended as an impact -- would NOT extend the damage pattern to the C ring, creating the "punchout holes" --

I conclude therefore that the adherence to a "south side flight plus impact" is in order only to prop up the official story, or cast doubt on the doubters.

Whether Merc and Lyte have established a case for a flyover, i am less than 100% convinced.
But it is NOT NECESSARY to establish the flyover.

the North Side Flight Path -- even with impact -- would not create the ASCE damage map.

only a south side flight -- or pre-positioned explosives, which killed people in the basement as well -- would provide a plausible explanation for the damage.


yrulying2me - August 26, 2007 02:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 22 2007, 10:06 PM)
Why a flyover?
QUOTE (Repentless @ Aug 22 2007, 02:29 PM)
I've been seeing several threads about a pentagon flyover.

But there's one unanswered question, in my eyes.

"Why?"

Why would they have a flyover with an explosion instead of just remotely piloting a plane in to the side of the pentagon? :/

One possibility:
The pilot remotely piloting the 757 at 400+ knots screwed up and accidentally followed the contour of the freeway and it was too late to get back on the official flight path without doing a complete flyaround, and the overseer of the Pentagon OP ordered him to flyover the Pentagon and set off the explosives on schedule, because the damage on the north of the Citgo flight path would not match the preplanted explosives. Then they screwed up the light pole through the windshield fakery on Lloyd England's taxicab and then the danged Reagan National firefighters showed up uninvited and threw another wrench into the works, and pictures were taken of the Pentagon wall before the roof was caved in. Not a good day for the Pentagon team, but they are bluffing their way through the bungled operation anyway. :D

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You post Doctored photograhs. And you say other people are being untruthful.

Simply amazing. :wacko:

Avenger - August 26, 2007 02:50 AM (GMT)
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You post Doctored photograhs. And you say other people are being untruthful.

Done to illustrate a point. Nobody was ever supposed to believe those colored lines were on the original photos.
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zepplin4peace - August 26, 2007 04:15 PM (GMT)
The Pentagon is an open and shut case. There were dozens and dozens of witnesses, plane debris, body parts, black box, downed light poles, the transformer was hit. What more do you people want. Anyone who can't figure this out needs their head examined.

Avenger - August 26, 2007 04:19 PM (GMT)

zepplin4peace - August 26, 2007 04:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Aug 26 2007, 11:19 AM)
Watch this.
http://www.thepentacon.com/

I've seen that crap. Like I said before......

The Pentagon is an open and shut case. There were dozens and dozens of witnesses, plane debris, body parts, black box, downed light poles, the transformer was hit. What more do you people want. Anyone who can't figure this out needs their head examined.

Avenger - August 26, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
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There were dozens and dozens of witnesses,
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plane debris, body parts, black box, downed light poles,

Avenger - August 26, 2007 04:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (zepplin4peace @ Aug 26 2007, 11:27 AM)
QUOTE (Avenger @ Aug 26 2007, 11:19 AM)
Watch this.
http://www.thepentacon.com/

I've seen that crap.

So why do you think the witnesses placed the plane north of the Citgo?




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