Why won't they release any videos of the Pentagon being hit?
Why was a military plane in the area at the same time it was hit?




Here are a couple links which talk about it.

Link : http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/

Link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks


Here's a google search page with various video clips.
Video link page : http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&...m=1&sa=N&tab=wv

I believe this guy in this video check it : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...earch&plindex=2

Because it wasn't hit. Flyover.

Cover story, in case anybody saw the flyover.

What led you to believe this? :blink:

Why would a plane going 450 to 500 mph increase it's throttle?
maybe to pull up to clear the building, if the missile hits the building seconds before the plane pulls up and flies through the smoke and out over the Potomac River and the low flying c 130 is flying near it could cause enough confusion to make this all work.

89: saw an object crash into the Pentagon
45: saw a plane described as 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.
29: saw a large American Airlines jet
17: heard deafing noise
12: heard plane increase its throttle
11: saw C-130 fly over afterward

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/reportsummary.html ;)

Well, of course LC video, plus a lot of others like PentCon, and others, my big question is if this was some sort of military operation how far did it go and how big a role did it play in all the planes that crashed, seems to me they wouldn't just stop with the Pentagon, That plane I think they call it a C-130, can do massive HighTech damage, wasn't a C-130 flying off in the distance after the Pentagon was hit?

Maybe the plane shot off a missle?
And dropped a little 747 debris to make it look real, that's why the feds were carring it off maybe?

At this stage I think anything is possible, and I think we may never know all the facts unless we can get these perps in front of a jury, but they will never let that happen!
You don't pull off a 911 without some kind of backup system to cover your ass.
like a nuke in DC or Iran so you can declare marshal law so it never goes to trial.

How about a mob of people, catching them and putting them on trial.
They eventually caught all those Nazi's and put them on trial, but I hope it don't take a war or a nuke before it is done.
Their time is running out, which is scary cuz they might just do something to protect their own ass like you said.
I hope we got enough military people on the inside to stop this.

Raising my hand because I have a question for the experts.
If the first video released of the plane going into the penagon is infact impossible, where did they get the video showing the plane going into the pentagon then?

I think 911 is like a 1000 piece jig saw puzzle in a blank cardboard box with no picture, After you've put 60% of the pieces together you can see enough of the puzzle to tell what it is and thats were I'm at now. I see the big picture and it's not good :(

I've got another big question : in the first pentagon video you notice shadows coming off the orange cones and other shadows from the security car gate, my questions is for the experts, I know how to tell time with the shadows from the sun, do they match the times of the attacks? it seems the shadows are pointing at 4pm is this right or am I wrong, why would the shadows be pointing at 4pm?


Reposting video in question for reference : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...earch&plindex=2

There was no 747 debris at the Pentagon, a 757 crashed there.

Ranb

1) Look at the date. September 12th.

2) You've got two videos released, each with an object that people claim is the plane, but, the objects don't even match each other. You've got two videos that contradict each other.

Strange. According to this site, the morning sun should be to the east and to the south for people in the northern hemisphere.
http://www.geolor.com/geoteach/Suns_Changi...nt_geoteach.htm

But, according to those shadows, the sun would've been in the east, but to the north? That doesn't make sense. Unless I'm screwing something up. Looks like the sun is shining in the north, though.

OOppps my mistake. :D

Wich two videos are we talking about? They only released one video of the "plane" crashing into the pentagon, didnt they?


And someone here already said it but cant you tell the time yust by watching the sun cast a shadow on the object right in front of the camera?

No, no. I am screwing up. The camera would've been viewing from the north, so I think the shadows would be about right.

If you look in the video where the security gate is and the orange cones, it looks like to me that it is reading close to 4pm? Am I wrong?
If the cone was a sun dial it would read 4pm right?

it's in this video : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...earch&plindex=2

Well if the plane hit the eastside then I think the camera might of been facing northeast maybe.
So even if it was pointed looking at the eastside of the pentagon, why would the shadow read 4pm, then? I'm stumped.

This one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8

And this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8...related&search=

Yeah, you can also find both videos in that one.

Well, it would've hit the west side of the Pentagon. The camera would have been to the north, facing south. The shadows seem about right to me.

Those 'planes' in those videos don't look right, though. And they contradict each other.

wait, I thought the plane was coming from the west, did a turn and was coming from the east and hit the east side of the pentagon, right?
mabe we need to get a aerial map to see it for sure because the pentagon has five sides so it hard to line up east west, etc..
Anyone got a good aerial map link ?

It's the bottom link I was refering to.

It wasn't a turn. It was more like a big loop. Something like this.

Well, the post got moved anyways I was right in the middle of posting a post and it wouldn't go through, so I will attempt to re-write everything hoping not to to forget anything and not missing any points I was trying to write down.
I think I started out saying that the map you showed in the last post was correct but for some reason it seems like it was flipped over the other way for some reason, meaning the maps I've seen are pointing a different direction, But however I don't think it would effect the sun in a way inwhich you couldn't tell what time it was.
Also when the sun is directly overhead the shadows are short, in the video they are long, so, I thought the Pentagon hit was in the morning, and by the look of the orange cones in the video it looks like it reads 4pm to me, at any rate, is it not obvious that the whole released video from the government is fake because we know no plane hit the pentagon then right? and if that is so all, I'm asking is how did they make that video clip then, where did they get it, and does the shadow from the orange cones and security gate point to the possiblity that something funny is going on here?
Oh, well, we had a good debate going on here hope that them moving it from lounge to penagon don't stop the discussion here.

Do you know how many times this JREF list has been picked apart?

It is inaccurate and highly misleading to say the least, blatant disinfo to be completely truthful...

I am unaware with how many times this JREF list has been picked apart. Please pick it apart for me.

Just come out with your tin foil hat schtick and stop acting like you care, troll...

You've misinterpreted the shadow. It shows the sun was approx. in the SE at the time. Consistent with the impact time.