Please read links in the order posted.

Plenty of news coverage for the Virginia scenarios back in April, but no coverage for the Portland drills this August.

Very few locally have even heard of this. Those that have are nervous.


http://www.rense.com/general77/dawn.htm
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/07/362706.shtml
http://www.jfcom.mil/about/experiments/nobleresolve.html


Any comments?

911Blogger Discussion:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/10275

aayers's blog
http://www.911blogger.com/blog/1630

I am finishing the process of Joining the Virginia National Guard so I have already done some research on Noble Resolve. There really is nothing to worry about. The National Guard and all other US Military branches are preparing for a new type of threat. Until 9-11 the military was trained for all out war or peacekeeping, but not counter terror operations. As this new threat emerges the military has to adapt. This is just part of the transformation. A conspiracy of this nature would never work. There are way to many people that would have to know about the plan for it to remain a secrete.
As for everything else that is going on, of course everyone is talking about another attack; it is a miracle that we have not been hit again yet. The fact that we have not shows that our counter terror activities are working. However there are still gaps in our defense and thus people are bracing for the next attack.
And the president needs to have the power to declare a national emergency without the approval of congress. Things need to move quickly in the case of an emergency.

Oh come on Neph.

There is NO SUCH THING as a loose nuke. All nuclear weapons in the world are accounted for. There is no way that the Cave Dweller in Afghanistan could create a nuclear weapon without a NUCLEAR REACTOR.

Since it is highly unlikely that Al Qaeda has built a reactor in a cave, there is no way in hell they could hit us with a nuke.

In addition, every nuclear weapon detonation produces a traceable 'fingerprint' that will lead back to the reactor used in the nuke's construction and year it was made. There is no way to 'anomalously' set off a nuke. If any rogue nation tries to nuke us (N. Korea) they we will know exactly who to retaliate against....a huge deterrent, no?

So....why is the National Guard drilling for something that CAN NOT happen?

Trapster,

Al Qaeda does not have to have a reactor. The US Military is preparing for three main scenarios.

One: a terrorist agency steels a nuclear devise or nuclear material and uses that to attack the US. For example Russia has large amounts of nuclear weapons left over from the cold war that could be stolen.

Two: a nation that supports terrorist agencies gives nuclear weapons to the terrorists. The main threat here is Iran. A nation like Iran could give nuclear weapons to a terrorist agency and that agency could use the weapon for them.

Three: a terror attack on an American Nuclear reactor. The terrorist don’t have to have a weapon to create a nuclear attack they could try to attack a nuclear reactor.

So the US Military and the department of Homeland security are preparing for any of those three scenarios.

Also there is a deterrent; however it would be harder to retaliate if it was a terrorist agency. Also countries like Korea and Iran don’t have a record for worrying about the condition of their people. They may be willing to trade a few million of their own for a chance to hit America with a nuclear weapon.

Sorry Neph, looks like you are just making stuff up.

From the Noble Resolve official web site:

I can find nothing about a 'Radiological bomb' or a reactor hit. Those details seem to exist only in your own mind.

Noble Resolve is a drill involving a 'Loose ten Kiloton nuclear weapon'. Nothing more and nothing less. (The Hiroshima bomb was about 12 Kilotons, small by today's standards)

I restate my point above, there is no such thing as a loose nuke; with the exception of the US Air Force which managed to louse a 5 (or 6) nuclear warheads a week ago.

Iran has no nukes. They are building a power plant that is under the inspection of the IAEA, the international Atomic body that is responsible for making sure reactors are not used for making nuclear weapons....Guess what country does not allow IAEA inspections?

See, what worries us Truthers is that on 9/11 there were over 12 war-games (drills) going on. One, Amalgam Vergo, involved crashing planes into buildings and having the buildings fall down. Another Drill, Vigilant Guardian, involved simulating hijacking of jetliners. Sound familiar as to what happened on that day?

They are part of the nuclear threat. They are part of what we are adapting to deal with. Nobel resolve is specifically looking at dealing with loose nuclear weapons. As I stated this would include nuclear devices that were stolen, or given to terrorists by nations that support terrorism.
So there can very much be such a thing as a loose nuclear device.

Now let’s look at Iran. They are not in cooperation with the IAEA in fact there are defying their resolutions and the resolutions of the United Nations.

Here are a few articles to prove that.

MSNBC
Iran continues to defy U.N. Security Council demands to scrap its uranium enrichment program and has instead expanded its activities, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday in a finding that sets the stage for new council sanctions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18819154/

Fox News

Iran isn’t backing down after a unanimous vote by the U.N. Security Council to impose sanctions, announcing Sunday that it will partially suspend cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency (IAEA) and will be adjusting relations with those nations who voted for sanctions.

The Economist February 24th 2007 page 60
Iran Defying the United Nations.

Despite a UN Security council resolution that gave Iran until February 21st to stop enriching uranium or face a wider range of economic sanctions, the Islamic Republic blithely ignored the international body.

USA Today

“David Albright, a former United Nations arms inspector and president of the institute for science and international security, a Washington think tank, said the number of centrifuges that were actually installed was actually about 1,000 and they were not churning out nuclear fuel. In a worst case scenario, Albright said Iran could have enough material for a bomb by 2009.

This site has an entire list of articles that talk about Iran’s nuclear program.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=8


The message from all of this is very clear Iran is not cooperating with the international community and is trying to produce nuclear weapons. Also Iran has continued to by weapons that can carry a nuclear warhead, and has said that Israel and the US should be wiped of the map. I also have more information if necessary.

Do you have any documentation of these war games?

I'll take the last part first.....YES I have Documentation. The War Games were mentioned by top military officers during their testimony before the 9/11 Commission.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...litaryExercises

Good to see that you are telling the truth and sticking to it now. The topic of this thread is Noble Resolve, not the other half-baked stuff you mentioned earlier.

Not gonna buy that nonsense. Nukes are the most closely guarded weapons in any nation's arsenal. 19 guys with box cutters are not gonna ever be able to swipe a nuke. In addition, all nukes are guarded by a very complex code device. Enter the code wrong just once and the warhead becomes permanently locked up. In addition, as yet there is no nation that 'supports terrorism' that actually has nukes, except for the USA.

As for Iran, I'll take the IAEA's word on Iran's cooperation. Not the word of the corporate owned US media to put the spin on the story:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...A&refer=germany

This is fairly new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9t_i08d1xc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmTgfmjtzk

We have to look at the big picture when we talk about Iran. It was an American de facto colony for a long time.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iran_KH.html
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm

The US would like to take control of Iran all right but not for the reasons they give us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=31...9292490&pl=true
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17836.htm

Some good info about Iran can be found here.
Enter "Iran" or "Savak" in this search engine.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html

Here's some stuff from there.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mainstre...nce_ForPol.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Asia/Oil_WarIran.html

It's hard to form an opinion in cases like this because it's hard to be sure if we're basing our opinions on the correct information.
I wouldn't take anything the American mainstream press says seriously.

http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/f...rpropaganda.htm
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/f...catingenemy.htm

Here's some more good stuff in the alternative press about Iran.
http://www.zmag.org/iranwatch/Iranwatch.cfm

I've only had the opportunity to talk to one person from Iran lately. He told me that after the US lost Iran as a colony in 79 and lost all that free oil, it started planning a way to get it back. He told me that the war with Iraq was part of the long term plan to weaken Iran so that they could eventually take it back by force. According to this Iranian, the US was able to get Iraq to start the war with Iran. Iran lost a lot of men that would now be high level technicians in the military.
Of course I don't know if any of that reflects reality; it's just something to think about.
The threat of a US attack to get back the free oil it used to get is a very real thing from the Iranian perspective. They have very valid reasons for wanting to be capable of deterring a potential US attack. If the US only wanted to keep Iran from getting weapons to keep the world safe and nothing more, it would publicly apologize for having stolen it's oil from 1953 to 1979 and it would promise not to try to get control of Iran again--overtly or covertly. It doesn't even recognize that it used to steal Iran's oil or any of the other things it used to do to maintain the situation.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_Third...ises_2_CTW.html
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The Shah's word was law, and he repressed those who opposed him, not only through SAVAK, the umbrella security organization the CIA had created and Israelis trained, but by systematic control over the press, labor, universities, and any institution capable of undermining his absolute power. SAVAK operated a vast system of informers and agents and used torture routinely, and in 1974-75 had, at the least, some thousands in its prisons-although the opposition claimed twenty-five thousand to a hundred thousand. After 1971, when resistance to the Shah's policies from especially middle-class and educated constituencies began to increase, SAVAK was especially active and brutal, and its close relationship with the CIA further identified the United States with their oppressors in the minds of the population. This linkage actually involved a division of labor: SAVAK told the CIA about Iranian internal affairs, becoming its nearly exclusive source of information, while the CIA agents in Iran concentrated on gathering data on Russia and training SAVAK in a variety of techniques essential to its political work, including torture. The CIA also reported to SAVAK on politics among Iranian students in the United States. In early 1977, after the Carter Administration began proclaiming its adherence to "human rights" abroad, the Shah made cosmetic changes in SAVAK's work but nothing more, and its ties with the CIA continued until his fall.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_R...srael_TICC.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_E...od_for_Oil.html
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American policy in this period was chiefly concerned that countries in the region did not come under the control of nationalist regimes. They had their first taste of that threat in Iran, when the democratically elected president Mohammed Mossadeq, with mass popular support, nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. In a coup engineered by CIA operative Kermit Roosevelt, Mossadeq was toppled and replaced by the Shah. The Shah's power was underwritten by massive infusions of American aid and upheld by the notoriously savage secret police, Savak.
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In 1957 Washington helped the Shah create SAVAK, the notorious security police force which silenced those who criticized the Shah or the regime. The Shah followed the trail of so many other dictators by creating a military intelligence agency. The repression was particularly brutal in the period from 1970 to 1976. He dropped any pretense of reform and adopted a policy of stifling police rule. The press was censored, people were arbitrarily arrested and harassed, and prisoners were systematically tortured.
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This is a sticky situation.
Iran might be a threat to Israel even if it weren't worried about the US trying to get back what it lost. I think it mainly doesn't want to go back to the old days though.
More than ten years ago I talked to some Iranians who were handing out anti-Khomeini pamphlets. They were anti-Khomeini and anti-Shah. They explained to me that if the US had never taken over Iran in 1953, Iran would never had ended up with a fanatical Moslem government. It's easy to understand why Iranians hate the US. It is responsible for a lot of misery there.

Iran knows the equation is simple:

The USA does not attack other nations that have nukes. PERIOD


Yes, Iran wants nukes, and might even have a few nukes from when the USSR imploded in the early 90's.

Yes, Iran was a big allie to the US in WWII. However, the trouble started when the democratically elected leader, Mosadeque, wanted more of a percentage of the oil revenue from Big Oil. The US had him killed and replaced him with the King, and replaced the King with the Religious Zealot, who has now been replaced by the Political Zealot.

That says nothing about an exercise in which planes would be flown into buildings. As for a Hijacking exercise, as the quote said those are a normal part of NORAD’s exercises. So there really is nothing special here.

I never changed what I was saying. I was mentioning all the different aspects of the nuclear threat to show its relevance not just the aspect that operation noble resolve training for.

Tapster look at what you say latter.

Terrorists might have been able to attain some of these nuclear weapons. It’s not likely but it is possible so we have to be prepared. Also a nation might claim that’s one of its nukes was stolen but in reality have given the weapon away to a group that they support.

Is there any media that you do trust? Those quotes were mostly from sources like the economist and USA today who were quoting IAEA and UN officials. And the site had many more sources. Now as you say latter Iran wants nuclear weapons. The point is that it is not safe for Iran to have nuclear weapons. They might give them to terrorists. the leaders of Iran have Denied the Holocaust, said that they want Israel wiped of the map, supported terrorists, and expressed their opposition to the US and Europe. A nation like that can not have nuclear weapons.

david C,

Much of the accusations against the US are propaganda spread by the Iranian Government. They want to precondition their people to hate the west. So I would be very careful of what information you believe that comes from Iran. Their government has a tight hold on information and only allows the spreading of information that it agrees with. Their nation has also been hostile toward many nations. For example look at the incident last year when Iranian soldiers illegally captured British marines and sailors. Iran has also been involved in fighting against Israel.
Yes we have made foreign policy mistakes in the past with Iran however nothing like what Iran claims and Iran’s own negative actions outweigh those of the US against them.

Nations that support terrorists can’t be allowed to have nuclear weapons. This is not a light issue. It is highly likely that terrorists would use nuclear weapons if they had them. After all these people are blowing themselves up. They aren’t really concerned with the repercussions of their actions.

The US did not have the leader of Iran killed. The assassinations in Iran were at the hands of Islamic radicals who have never approved of relations with western countries. They view our societies as evil. We are defiantly not responsible with replacing their leaders with leaders that were more hostile toward the US this obviously makes no since.

If you go live abroad for a few years, you can find out a lot of this stuff just by talking to people who were there watching things happen.

Here's a good summery of what most non-Americans know and most Americans don't know about what the US really does.

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1995/95...7-Guatemala.gif
http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/guatemal.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history.../0413angola.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/127.html
http://www.namebase.org/scott.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/WTI062405V.shtml
http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htm
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000133.htm
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr...mskyin1282.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zepezaue..._Boomerang.html

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm


http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13622.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=31...9292490&pl=true
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11635.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7333556703536657423
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4827358238697503
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=34...658676035&q=oil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8171.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAqG51uwzMI...related&search=
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htm
http://www.jonhs.net/911/911_american_empire.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=4245
http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php?option=com...rectlink&id=375
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYZVNVqBgU...related&search=
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17988.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13768.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159

Enter words like "Torture" or "Death squads" in this search engine for more interesting stuff about US foreign policy.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html

Here's another good video about Iran.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6231

More good stuff here.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/