The NTSB Evidence
The FDR is not Documented per any investigative or crime scene procedure
The Factual Report (and in reference the CSV Output) directly and factually conflict with the 'Damage Path'
A 2nd independent readout of the raw file further supports these conflicts, and adds even more.
There is no Serial Number
There is no final output (see the UA93 Factual Report + others)
The FDR is reported recovered at 3:40AM 9/14/2001
The RAW file is timestamped at 5:45PM 9/13/2001
The NTSB Reports are from Jan-Feb 2002.


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re:'final output'
Here is a picture I made from the UA93 Factual Report where they describe in exact detail the end of the data recording.
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Based on this the near exact moment of the crash can be determined.
10:03:11.0625 EDT

You will find no such detail in the AA77 Factual Report.
Compare to the AA77 Factual Report
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That's it. Nothing else.

WoW. I must be so absolutely right that it is simple stuns anyone who looks at. :)

I never know whether to be suspicious, or proud, of receiving a big blank stare from the crowd.

....ok i'll bite on this one,....

so either

1) the FDR data from AA77 FDR was modified or
2) the FDR data was accuate in that it was based on actual flying object, but did not record a 'crash' 00 just a stoppage in data or
3) a combination of 1 and 2

4) none of the above

I'm not trying to be coy either. The only thing to bite is on here, is well, there is nothing. Because it's all f'cked up. The source file can not be traced to anything.
And, the only reason for all the errors and problems, which have spawned from every piece of work from that source, is because of the cover-up.

The only single piece of evidence to place the source at the scene is one press conference that provided ZERO details except for the time, and two to three conflicting personal stories.

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CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL
Aired September 14, 2001 - 06:33 ET

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

MR. BRIDGES, PENTAGON SPOKESMAN: I don't think it was any surprise where they were found. They were found right where the plane came into the building, right where the data recorder and the voice recorder should have been. They were right at the crash scene.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) deep into the building, or shallow? I mean give us a sense of exactly where.

BRIDGES: I don't know where they were on the airplane, but they probably were very, very close to that particular part if you look at what an airplane image might be inside the building. They were found -- they were pretty much knew where they were by a virtue of where the aircraft came in.

QUESTION: Did the person who told you that boxes could be damaged but could still yield information give you any kind of idea about when we might find some information or find out how much they might yield.

BRIDGES: Well I think that's probably going to come from the FBI or the NTSB. I mean we've -- the boxes are now in federal hands and part of the federal investigation. Arlington Country, it does no longer have a role in that.

QUESTION: Were the black boxes, though, were they removed immediately with -- from the FBI taken from this location to the NTSB right across the river? I mean is it possible that the sophisticated equipment they have over there is already being used to try to analyze.

BRIDGES: I'm not going to speculate. I frankly don't know.

QUESTION: They were removed from the scene already?

BRIDGES: Well they've been removed from the crash scene. I do not know where precisely they are other than the fact that they are in the federal authorities hands and they are now apart of a federal investigation.

QUESTION: What time were the boxes found again?

BRIDGES: Three forty a.m. OK. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. And we'll be back at 10 a.m, somewhere between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. for our regular update.

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You can highlight any part of that and it all stinks like shit.

When someone shows a Crime Scene photo of this crucial piece of evidence, well then, we can talk about this differently.

~off-topic
JackD, are related to this person? not being umtarded, just asking ;)
2PacSade - "OK I'll bite- So what are we discussing about this?"

no, 2pacSade is no relation. not even a sockpuppet!

So, the gist (wtf is a "gist" anyway..) of your analysis is that

4) none of above: we cannot conclude anything in a factual sense about the alleged AA77 FDR, given its uncertain 'finding' at the site, and uncertain contents as datafiles.

does the FDR data then get consigned to the same pile as the 9/11 commission report, and General Myers (acting JCS) testimony, and NORADs, or is there anything useful to be extracted from it?

You seem to be looking at this from the wrong level.
Unlike the Omission report, someones testimony, and the lack of evidence from NORAD. This single item (FDR) is is the only hardcore at-the-scene actual-factual real fucking deal EVIDENCE to have escaped from possible 2 Cover Up investigations about four Crime Scenes which were all apart of one very large Crime.

"anything useful"??

The OP is an analysis and conclusion. Period.

Bump

Care to explain your stupid insinuation or are you going to run like a girl?

i didnt state my question very well. och, my brain...

the fact that the FDR exists from AA77, and therefore is a "commission" not omission, is key.

i meant: can researchers "trust" the FDR data as having been generated by a flying plane, rather than synthesized, or a blend of both recorded data and modified files?

there had been some chatter about synthesized or falsified files in the AA77 FDR data.

The fact that is exists is key. It has not been proven it is from AA77, but it certainly has yet to be proven it isn't either.

However, look at the list in the OP and tell me what you think?

What other researches trust is up to them.
Some people trust the government, some people don't.

It took some people 10months to finally concede that the data did indeed come from the NTSB.

Everyone consider yourselves warned.

If you trust that it is Real (from AA77 from inside the Crime Scene) then look at the OP

If you trust that it is Fake (from where ever, does it really matter) ... well...

Either way, the stone cold facts presented by this evidence pose a serious challenge to any narrative on the OCT and the Pentagon event.

(adding this here from another thread)
also more info here

I want to comment on this phrase,
"based on someones interpretation of the data"

I agree on IVXX's comment about reading The data, and that is important, and has not been done enough. Only 2 times in History afaik.

But strictly speaking, any output from The data (tabular/screen/graph/animation) is not 'someones' anything. It is done by computer through systems designed, built, tested, and developed inside and at the very top of The industry.

There is a nasty birds nest of specifications from sensor to The data, and it is always examined and scrutinized every time anything goes wrong, regardless of 911.

So, within this scope, The data can be no more uniquely flawed or anomalous then the other 9,000+ FA2100's strapped into everything from commercial to military and from prop to jet to helicopter.

Now once you have The data, and it becomes an output of numbers, this micro step becomes an Industry in itself. These numbers however, are fact unless determined to be in error through concise research.

So, Just has you can interrupt the black box MPH reading in your car differently then The law, it is still fact.

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That reads like an opinion to me.

About the Animation.
One thing, and one thing only.
It took Human Intervention in order to Alter the Normal procedure of Computing the PresAlt and Baro raw Numbers into the Animated Altimeter. This is not a 'whoops' or 'working' anything. It WAS in there per practices and WAS UnSelected/Removed/Whatever in order to show a False representation of the Actual Data.

Russel,
Do you see anything here?

Thanks,
UT

Undertow,

I have a couple of questions.

Do we have a certified FDR analyst involved in this?

Was the data extrapolated by a certified FDR technician?

Can you reference your source for the claimed recovery time?

Russell

P.S. I predict it will eventually be you that defects and tells the truth about the "inside".

That is so lame Russel. Other then the small point about the 2nd readout in the OP, everything is sourced at the NTSB. Their certified analyst and technicians. And if you actually read this thread you would have answered your 3rd question yourself.

So WTH is your P.S comment about? Since that seems to be the only thing you put any thought into.

No further questions?