Title: Marshall Law?
Description: Concentration Camps?
Arrowhead - December 3, 2006 12:07 PM (GMT)
Nothing to be concerned about eh sceptics?
Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."
Full Story
http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=17432Concentration Camp Video (check it out for yourself)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8272096722231303649The concern is well founded. You too should be concerned..
Arrowhead - December 3, 2006 12:29 PM (GMT)
They DID do 9/11, and I think you all know damn well it's true. And if they are capable of that, what else are they capable of...
Just imagine the implications of another major false flag terrorist operation on the homeland...
This kind of shit just HAS to STOP!
Arrowhead - December 3, 2006 12:36 PM (GMT)
EXECUTIVE ORDERS
Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...
National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.
1950 Defense Production Act
gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.
Act of August 29, 1916
authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.
International Emergency Economic Powers Act
enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
Source:
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...rticle&sid=1062
Arrowhead - December 3, 2006 08:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 12:07 PM) |
Bush Moves Toward Martial Law In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."
Full Story http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=17432 |
Question: Would you have known about this new law, signed in the oval office just last month, enabling the President to use the US Armed Forces against the people of the United States, at his discretion, under the pretext of a public emergency to quell dissent - if you did not read about it here?
Perhaps Alex Jones is correct, that next they will come for the guns to disarm the populace.
Now why on earth would they feel that the President must be given this discretion, and how hard would it be, particularly in light of 9/11, to produce the required "public emergecy" and declare Marshall Law in the United States?
Anyone got that quote by Henry Kissenger that was captured from one of their Bilderberger meetings, about the people of LA submiting to an invasion by UN forces..?
mainstreammedia - December 3, 2006 11:29 PM (GMT)
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. |
Oh lord no! Not that! We're all doomed!
Why, that executive order gives the Housing and Finance authority the legal means to relocate people like the refugees from Katrina, and other dastardly deeds!
"Build new housing with public funds"!?!?! Free housing for relocated people?!?!? If that isn't proof of the NWO evil schemes, I don't know what is!
Seriously though, why are you up in arms about these orders? What do you imagine that they'll be used for?
Arrowhead - December 3, 2006 11:54 PM (GMT)
Please respond to the first post. Thanks.
mainstreammedia - December 4, 2006 12:40 AM (GMT)
Sure.... I read up a little bit on the act, but before I post my view, let me ask you: Can you imagine what that provision could be used for, besides evil NWO-type stuff? And did you read anything about the act, besides the little doom and gloom story on infowars.com?
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 01:15 AM (GMT)
Of course these bills cover a very wide range of things, but for the purposes of this thread, we are referring specifically, to this section:
1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
`` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to--
``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
``(B ) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
H. R. 5122--323
``(B ) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B ), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.
``(B ) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--The President shall notify Congress
of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.''.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.--Section 334 of such title
is amended by inserting ``or those obstructing the enforcement
of the laws'' after ``insurgents''.
(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
(4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.--(A) The tables of chapters
at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
inserting the following new item:
``15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order
-------------------------------------------------
Also, please reply regarding the concentration camp video. Thank you. And nothing I've posted is from infowars.com btw.
Content of original post
| QUOTE |
Bush Moves Toward Martial Law In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder." |
Last question, repeated. Would you have known about this if you did not read it here?
Oh and was your reference to the handling of Katrina refugees supposed to be a demonstration of the good will and proper stewarship by the PTB? And wasn't the Posse Comitatus Act violated in that case, for all the good that it did. Katrina appeared to me anyway, to be a government experiment in visible human depravity.
mainstreammedia - December 4, 2006 01:50 AM (GMT)
Oh sorry... I assumed you read the opinion piece on infowars.com, since they had exact same piece that you posted up on their site...
You didn't really answer my question:
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| Can you imagine what that provision could be used for, besides evil NWO-type stuff? And did you read anything about the act, besides the little doom and gloom story on infowars.com? |
So i'll try to rephrase it and ask again:
Have you read anything about that act, besides the opnion-piece that you posted in your first post?
Can you imagine any situation, besides a coup or other evil NWO-related incident, where that act would be used, and where it might be practical?
And yeah, I have read alittle about next years defence budget...
First of all, I'll reply to the posts i feel like/have the time to reply to. Second of all, what "concentrationcamp" video are you talking about?
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 01:59 AM (GMT)
I've offered the actual provision itself, taken right from the bill, which obviously gives the President WIDE discretion, to employ the US Armed Forces against "insurgents". Other scenarios are referenced there right in the bill itself. No need to read about it, and the statement in the initial post about it, is entirely accurate. There was no deceptive interpretation offered there.
And the Concentration Camp Video was given in the first post immediately thereafter.
What, you think you can control the debate by asking all the questions? Some things are just self evident, and available for one and all to interpret and draw their own conclusions.
Read the provision itself, for starters, and then enlighten us as to how what I've posted was misleading.
Here's an example for you then. A crowd of protestors grows in size, and there are some minor problems with some vandalizm, and someone is injured (light voilence), and the police in that particular district are ill equipped to handle the crowds or refuse to take action, given the nature of the demonstration and its cause. The president then, *at his discretion*, while simply notifying Congress, afterwards, can send in the National Guard aka the US ARMY as a Federal Police action.
Read the frick'n bill, it's right there! And Katrina is a prime example as to why this should be of concern to people.
We have already seen that there is basically no end to the Bush administration's willingness to seriously abuse power!
Here it is again. Read it.
1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
`` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to--
``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
``(B ) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
``(B ) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B ), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.
``(B ) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--The President shall notify Congress
of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.''.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.--Section 334 of such title
is amended by inserting ``or those obstructing the enforcement
of the laws'' after ``insurgents''.
(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
(4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.--(A) The tables of chapters
at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
inserting the following new item:
``15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order
------------------------------
Pay particular attention to this part
...or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
Now, imagine the troops over in Iraq practicing their newound skills in "enforcement" on a crowd of American Citizens, factor in the other new laws regarding "enemy combatants" and the wider definitions of "terrorist", and then review that Concentration Camp video again, and then tell me there should be no "concern" whatsoever..
Then, just to hammer the point home, watch the twin towers go down at the rate of FREE FALL, such that the ejecting debris plume travells down along the path of maximum resistence, in the same amount of time a grand piano would take to fall from the same height, in nothing but AIR.
Think about it, process it.
Calcas - December 4, 2006 02:33 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 07:07 AM) |
Nothing to be concerned about eh sceptics?
Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
|
Blah blah blah...
Are you here to spew your political rhetoric or to debate skeptics about the specifics of 911?
Bush sucks. He's the devil. NWO. Blah blah blah.
Try to stay withing the focus of the board.
For example, do you believe flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 02:42 AM (GMT)
Here is what I think about the twin towers' destruction
NIST and "The Foot Of God"
Robert Rice
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/NISTand...0FootOfGod.htmlHow utterly ABURD the official story is about that occurance.
Back on topic..
Calcas - December 4, 2006 02:50 AM (GMT)
Ok, and I can provide links to other sources too. But, that's been done 100 times over.
You didn't answer my question.
"Do you believe flight 77 hit the Pentagon?"
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 02:51 AM (GMT)
Calcas - December 4, 2006 02:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 09:51 PM) |
| No I do not. |
Then what happened to it/where did it go?
And, please don't give me the typical "that's not our job to determine.." line.
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 02:56 AM (GMT)
The link I provided was to my own article.
Here is my explanation re: Pentagon wall impact
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3157| QUOTE |
Using the fire engine as a point of reference, I think this says it all really.


Where oh WHERE is the impact damage from the rear verticle stabalizer wing? And how could the plane's engine have gotten in under that ledge (to the right of the central impact hole, slightly obscured by smoke) without leaving so much as a MARK on the lawn? Engine height the height of two men (when a couple feet off the ground), or about equal in height to the little red lights on the engine
LENGTH AND HEIGHT DIMENSIONS Boeing 757-200 Boeing 757-300 Fuselage Length 46.97m (155ft 3in) 54.08m (177ft 5in) Overall Length 47.32m (155ft 3in) 54.43m (178ft 7in) Wheelbase 18.29m (60ft 0in) 22.35m (73ft 4in) Overall Height 13.56m (44ft 6in) as -200
SPAN DIMENSIONS Boeing 757-200 Boeing 757-300 Wheel Track 7.32m (24ft 0in) as -200 Tailspan 15.21m (49ft 11in) as -200 Wingspan 38.05m (124ft 10in) as -200
OTHER DIMENSIONS Boeing 757-200 Boeing 757-300 Fuselage Diameter 3.76m (12ft 4in) as -200 Wing Chord at Root 8.20m (26ft 11in) as -200 Wing Chord at Tip 1.73m (5ft 8in) as -200 Wing Aspect Ratio 7.8 as -200 Wing Area 185.25m2 as -200 |
And I do not know what happened to it, only that a Boeing 767 did NOT impact the Pentagon wall, as shown in that thread.
Back on topic..
Calcas - December 4, 2006 03:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 09:56 PM) |
The link I provided was to my own article.
Here is my explanation re: Pentagon wall impact
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3157
| QUOTE | Using the fire engine as a point of reference, I think this says it all really.


Where oh WHERE is the impact damage from the rear verticle stabalizer wing? And how could the plane's engine have gotten in under that ledge without leaving so much as a mark on the lawn? |
And I do not know what happened to it, only that a Boeing 767 did NOT impact the Pentagon wall, as shown in that thread.
Back on topic..
|
And how did all this "evidence" get planted?
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htmI'm not going further with this as the AA 77 crash has been documented ad infinitum and I think you know the evidence. You simply choose to ignore it.
But, if you have a few spare hours sometime I would love to see your theory/explanation surronding all of the events that transpied that tragic day.
From A to Z.
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 03:24 AM (GMT)
You cannot possibly get around the complete lack of verticle stabalizer wing (tail section) impact damage to the outer wall. It's elementary. Also, the plane would not fit into that hole, and the engines would damage the wall, or if they got in under the ledge, they would have touched down and left a ditch in the lawn leading up to the wall.
Btw, what did you think of my "Foot of God Hypothesis" article on the nature of the twin towers' decent?
Arrowhead - December 4, 2006 06:41 AM (GMT)
mainstreammedia - December 4, 2006 11:51 PM (GMT)
Nope, no crickets here... Just people being busy with stuff like work, family, life etc. Well, on to the post!
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| I've offered the actual provision itself, taken right from the bill |
That's the problem. And this is why I asked you have read other sources on the issue. Can I ask you what your credentials are? How many years have you practiced law... Let me guess, none?
You and me are laymen. We know very little about law, and how to interpret it compared to a judge or a lawyer. That's why you should consult other sources before you jump to a conclusion.
And yeah, I know that "you can read". But just like reading a manual for a Cessna plane doesn't make you a pilot. Just reading a law without consulting other sources doesn't make your interpretation of it correct.
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| No need to read about it |
No, not it a person is arrogant enough to believe that reading the text of a law makes him an expert in the judiciary.
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| Some things are just self evident |
Such as the fact that you're jumping to conclusions, without having done any research?
This is why I asked you if you consulted other sources, but I guess you' believe that the only opinion you need is your own.
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and available for one and all to interpret and draw their own conclusions.
|
Drawing your own conclusion can be part of the answer, but as I wrote above, reading an airplane manual doesn't make you a pilot. And it sure as hell doesn't make any sane person want to fly with you.
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| Here's an example for you then. A crowd of protestors grows in size, and there are some minor problems with some vandalizm, and someone is injured (light voilence), and the police in that particular district are ill equipped to handle the crowds |
I doubt that any 9/11 event could attract more people than a small local policeforce would be equipped to deal with. Look at the anniversary this year. There was what... 1000? 2000 people there? At least half being non-violent hippies.
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And Katrina is a prime example as to why this should be of concern to people. We have already seen that there is basically no end to the Bush administration's willingness to seriously abuse power!
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What... Bush was behind Katrina? Do elaborate... Katrina is actually a good example why the bill can be a good idea: A category 5 hurricane is on it way to a metropolis on the gulf coast. The state govenor, out of pride and ignorance ignores metherologists warnings. But the president in Washington DC doesn't want to take any chances. A day and a half before the hurricane makes landfall, he mobiilizes the army corps of engineers as well as an armydivision to strengthen the citys dikes, evacuate people, and uphold law and order in the days following the hurricane. I can think of lots of other examples where a law like this could comme in handy.
Oh, and I watched the "concentrationcamp" video. I can only say: LOL! LOL! LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:
Arrowhead - December 5, 2006 04:00 AM (GMT)
The point involved the revision of the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States.
And it doesn't take a genious or a lawyer to see the discretion and latitude that the President is given regarding the deployment of the Armed Forces or the National Guard to quell any sort of public "insurgency", and I'm not just referring to 9/11 rallies either.. :rolleyes:
It's been a tradition that the government is not to use the Army on the people in instances of public disorder. You should read it again.
And what was funny about the Concentration Camp video. If that's just a train depot, for use only for train repair, then what are all the electric turnstyles for? the inward pointing barbed wire? WTF? That's all you have to say is LOL?
People, and the people reading this thread are not idiots. You don't have to be a lawyer to see that a primary aspect of that provision is all about the Presidential use of the Armed Forces to quell any sort of uprising and/or civil disorder-disobediance. All that's missing is the crisis, and we know they can manufacture those, and do create them.
You think we're whacked? You should read some of their speeches about manufactured crisis with which to dominate the masses. Again, anyone got that statement by Henry Kissenger, from that Bilderberger meeting?
Here it is:
Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will willingly be relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government.
* Address to the Bilderberger organization meeting at Evian, France, on May 21, 1991, as transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates
Source:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_KissingerThis is the same man the Pope just hired to be his political advisor..
TomBombadillo - December 5, 2006 12:21 PM (GMT)
I don't know but haven't most of those provisions always been there in time of emergency (maybe not spelled out ). Didn't Roosevelt order the internment of the Japanese Americans by an executive order.
In that long list of executive orders you don't think Lincoln would have had the authority to do the things listed.
mainstreammedia - December 5, 2006 07:01 PM (GMT)
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| And it doesn't take a genious or a lawyer to see the discretion and latitude that the President is given regarding the deployment of the Armed Forces or the National Guard to quell any sort of public "insurgency". |
It also doesn't take a genious to see that your opinion is just that. An opinion that has no basis in any legal or constitutional experience. Anyone have a right to an opinion, i'm not ciritizising that you have that right. What I have something against, is that you act like it's a irrefutable fact that it's a major setback for all sorts of civil rights and the signs of a police state. What's your basis for this claim? Nothing more than your own opinion, because you've read the law.
Reading a law is one thing. Understanding it is something else. And being able to put it into context and weigh pro's and con's is even harder. And something you're not capable of, I'm afraid...
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It's been a tradition that the government is not to use the Army on the people in instances of public disorder. You should read it again.
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That's odd. I swear I saw some national guardsmen in New Orleans during Katrina. And in New York after 9/11...
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And what was funny about the Concentration Camp video. If that's just a train depot, for use only for train repair, then what are all the electric turnstyles for? the inward pointing barbed wire? WTF? That's all you have to say is LOL? |
Yup LOL!... The video itself and the breathless narration was amusing. What really made it priceless was the (DUM-DUUM-DUUUM) black helicopter!
I mean come on... Did you believe the administrations evidence that Saddam had weapons of mas destuction too? Because that was a lot more believable.
What you see in the video could be pretty much anything. Turnstiles, barbed wire fence (A very low fence mind you) If barb wire and something that could be used as a guardtower is enough for a "concentration camp", I could take you to any industrial subdivision and show you dozens of camps...
Actually, I might know of another concentration camp with electric turnstiles and barbed wire... Ever been in New York? They have this humongous underground concentrationcamp with tunnels. Every entrance is guarded by turnstiles, and at some facilities they have barbed wire! Yes! The NY subway is a concentration camp, you read it here first!
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| Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat |
Fabricated quote, nice! Do you have any reference to where that quote is from, besides "a swiss delegate"?
And no, I'm not accusing you of fabricating it. Probably some conspiracy theorists with a book to sell did it. :D
look-up - December 5, 2006 07:35 PM (GMT)
a couple of comments...
The law doesn't need to specifically say that it will be used for acts of suppression of dissenters in the US, it just needs to be open-ended enough so that first of all, people won't read it and freak out, and secondly, they ask their lawyers, "Hey if we pass this bill, could we do this?" They say, "Yea, you could get away with it. Maybe change a word or two and hope people don't notice".
You see, as is true with many things in politics, the apparent reason for doing a thing is seldom the true reason for doing that thing.
Arrowhead - December 5, 2006 08:45 PM (GMT)
1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
`` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to--
``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident,
or,
other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
``(B ) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
``(B ) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B ), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.
``(B ) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--The President shall notify Congress
of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.''.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.--Section 334 of such title
is amended by inserting ``or those obstructing the enforcement
of the laws'' after ``insurgents''.
(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
(4) CLERICAL AMENDMENTS.--(A) The tables of chapters
at the beginning of subtitle A of title 10, United States Code,
and at the beginning of part I of such subtitle, are each
amended by striking the item relating to chapter 15 and
inserting the following new item:
``15 Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order
mainstreammedia - December 5, 2006 10:36 PM (GMT)
Are just retorting to spamming now, or don't you think we got it the first time?
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restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident,
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Yup, sounds reasonable enough! Thank you congress! What a thoughtful and levelheaded piece of legislation!
seek_the_truth - December 6, 2006 01:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Calcas @ Dec 4 2006, 02:55 AM) |
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 09:51 PM) | | No I do not. |
Then what happened to it/where did it go?
And, please don't give me the typical "that's not our job to determine.." line.
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You are just trying to sidetrack the main topic. It is about martial law, not flight 77.
We don't know what happened to Flight 77, thats when this becomes a "conspiracy theory" and not investegating. I can't tell you what happened to it, but there are some good clues that point to where. It is mostly speculation about what happend to the passengers and the aircraft.
BTW, still waiting for my link dump PM, or am I not worth your time?
seek_the_truth - December 6, 2006 01:51 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Calcas @ Dec 4 2006, 03:21 AM) |
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 09:56 PM) | The link I provided was to my own article.
Here is my explanation re: Pentagon wall impact
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3157
| QUOTE | Using the fire engine as a point of reference, I think this says it all really.


Where oh WHERE is the impact damage from the rear verticle stabalizer wing? And how could the plane's engine have gotten in under that ledge without leaving so much as a mark on the lawn? |
And I do not know what happened to it, only that a Boeing 767 did NOT impact the Pentagon wall, as shown in that thread.
Back on topic..
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And how did all this "evidence" get planted? http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htmI'm not going further with this as the AA 77 crash has been documented ad infinitum and I think you know the evidence. You simply choose to ignore it. But, if you have a few spare hours sometime I would love to see your theory/explanation surronding all of the events that transpied that tragic day. From A to Z. |
Yer an idiot, Youll avoid a PM to me, but you want him to tell you everything from A-Z? Yer full a shit.
It would take months, not hours buddy ;)
Arrowhead - December 6, 2006 05:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mainstreammedia @ Dec 5 2006, 10:36 PM) |
Are just retorting to spamming now, or don't you think we got it the first time?
| QUOTE | restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident,
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Yup, sounds reasonable enough! Thank you congress! What a thoughtful and levelheaded piece of legislation!
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You missed the rest of it. How convenient. :rolleyes:
CharacterZero - January 4, 2007 03:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Dec 3 2006, 12:07 PM) |
Nothing to be concerned about eh sceptics?
Bush Moves Toward Martial Law In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions. |
And what on earth makes you think that skeptics find nothing disturbing about this and may even support this? You think that you have to be a Bush supporter to be a skeptic? I'm as liberal as they come. My conservative friends have chastised me for being so liberal. I've written many rants about how much I dislike Bush in my personal online journal, and this law in particular about Bush being able to more easily enforce martial law is also disturbing. However, I think this conspiracy theory is ridiculous.
So how do you fight back? Do you come up with a crazy conspiracy theory and try to pin it on Bush and his administration to make him appear to be an outright criminal? Or do you take a more ethical approach and speak out about his policies, like this one in particular, and make your voice be heard about that? After all, that's exactly how it's been done in the history of American politics.
mainstreammedia - January 4, 2007 05:52 PM (GMT)
Sign me up as a Bush-hater too, but I just don't believe that every law he signs is another step on the way to a fascist policestate.
For example there might be very good reasons to have the opportunity to use the military for domestic emergencies.
And Zero below also has a very good point. Crying "wolf" all the time only diminishes your credibility.