I don't know about you all, but I'm a Christian. Before 9/11, I wasn't.

I had tried to become one, I had thought deeply about it, but I struggled. I just couldn't imagine how a God could be there, where nobody could fine him, before everything else began, and speak the universe (Including all of humanity) into being. It was just too much for me.

It says in the Bible, "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains." I didn't even have that much.

About a week after 9/11, one of my christian friends at school gave me a picture, and it showed that even in disaster, even when your government turns on you, God is still in control. If you want to see what he showed me here it is.

Cross made of steel beams found in the rubble.

May God bless all of you as we continue the quest for 9/11 Truth.

Here's another picture and of course there's many more.

Thanks. its good to see that some people don't yell at others when they bring Christianity into the matter.

blasphemy

you think im a blasphemer? If you don't like Christiaity then don't comment. I was just trying to share a bit, but if you don't want to be part of it, then you don't have to.

No fighting over religion people. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Many different religious beliefs are represented through the victims of 9/11. Remember that and respect each others beliefs.

yeah, i remember that cross, wouldnt it be weird if there was evidence of thermite on it? (as in, you can see a 'cut' in the beam) i bet a lot more people would be thinking...

If any of you have the google earth program, find manhatten island (If you think your in the wrong spot, turn the ROADS feature on, and find the brooklyn bridge) Close to the SW corner is a giant dirt lot. That's where the WTC were, and across the street to the left is WTC 7 (At least I thought I heard it got rebuilt). Anyway, in the SW corner of the WTC lot, watch for shadows.

If you look close enough, you will see the shadow of the cross.

Well,im a muslim and you people are talking about religion...SO I have a right to represent my religion as well....

Well,you all know Tsunami was the worst attack we can witness in our lives...Still a mosque stands in the middle of destruction...Isnt it God's help??

http://evelynrodriguez.typepad.com/photos/...e_tsunami_1.jpg

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2005/tsunam...cs/tsunami8.jpg

http://www.telemorphic.com/images/ShoreBlendAni.gif

Notice that a mosque is in the upper island on theright side...Its a little whiter so noticeable


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/10/...eb__430x286.jpg
(see this mosque lies near the shore still not destroyed)

http://acehupdate.degromiest.nl/archives/001064.php



Well,this was all I wanted to show...There were dozens more pictures but dont have much time....

Well bushfucck,what were you before converting to Islam...

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Sorry if there is a grammar or other mistake
Im not that good english speaker

Since there would have been lots of beams crossing in the structure of the building, the picture you show is no evidence of anything.

And I don't want to be harsh, but in my humble opinion, you becoming christian is not a good thing.

LoveCraken: Why would you even reply like that? Got anything better to do?

ProudMuslim: I believe he stated that he converted to Christianity, not Islam. I am a believer that our two words for God and Allah are the same entity, so you and I are indeed brothers. I find relief in the fact that the Mosque stood in spite of the tsunami. God rules all, not just in one corner of the world.

I wouldn't say I'm a devoted Christian, but though I am more likely to see things like the WTC Cross Beam as coincedence, It felt good to know that God is watching over us.

Even if it was a coincedence, it's a nice feelings.

Thanks look up and Remian, I get a lot of crap out of my faith sometimes, although I can see though that you don't fully support me look up, I'm ok with that, it's your belief, you choose what you want to belive.

And for proudmuslim:

I have nothing against Islamic people; I have nothing against you. I do however wonder why in the first picture, the mosque is smaller than the surrounding trees.

And look up was right. I am not Islamic, nor will I ever be one, because I am a Christian. I believe somewhat differently than you, but I will respect your faith, if you respect mine.

Pray to your God (Whether it be God or Allah) that we may soon reveal the reuth about 9/11 to all of America, and around the world. And if you are an Athiest, then best of luck to you.

Well,I just want to tell the people that we are not terrorists..You respect my religion but the thousands living in the America dont...I want to make them think over again that what is Islam....

And well,most of the people dont know this but Jesus is as much sacred to us as it is to you...The most we respect is our prophet then comes Jesus...Many christains also hate us because they think we hate jesus...thats a NO...

And you know why some people hate your reliigion..Its because of those bloody frauders you people have.....WHo are cheating the christains...Yeah,I mean Geroge Bush and blah blah...All the world think they are christains when they are cheating christanity...Thats why some people hate ur religion....

And I hope that Allah/God reveals the truth of 9/11 soon and may muslims be freed of the blame of terrorism

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And once again,sorry if my english isnt right

I used to be christian, and i strayed form the faith, and am now agnostic, i like talking about it because "God" could or could not exist and all are entiltled to their own opinions, and i cant honestly say he does or doesnt, so this is like research, (i am currently starting to re-read the bible for information).
i think most people try to find an explanation in things they dont understand, (strange occurances, unknown sounds, and other types of things) by turning to Christianity and saying "God" did that! or angels, or demons or something.


What we dont know, we try to undertsand, we "Rationalize" that "God" exists because something happened that we dont understand.

rationalization is the process of constructing a logical justification for a decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process. We all do it, and its a self-defence mechanism.

I think (not saying thats right) that because "God" so convienently can do anything and everything, when we dont understand what happened or why, we think its an act of "God" or "Satan".

I think bush may use christianity to gain support, attacking those who are opposed by the christian faith. And this attack on america by "Them" would play in part as "The end of the world" as told in the Bible. (could he then be the anti-christ? lol?). Follow me, i'm christian, and like some christians proudly go to church, and act "Christian" at church, then when they leave, they dont change a damn thing in their life, i'd rather go to "Hell" and not believe than be a hypocrite. (not saying all christians are!)

I know there are good non corupt christians, like there are good non corupt political officials, shame i dont see any of those in office right now.

I voted for bush before because he was "Christian" and was in "good faith" and i figured i could trust that. Now i know even more, talk is cheap.

Sorry if i rambled or ranted, i hope this is a good enough debate for us to go off of :)

ok...When you are going to change ur religion or choose a religion on ur own(I mean not going for what your parents have said)IMO its a good thing...

I also did that...My parents were muslims so was I...But I researched on other religions as well as on Islam and came to the conclusion that Islam is the best so I stayed on Islam...But remember,Religion is not a toy,you need a hell of a consideration,some much more thinking,too much research....You cant keep changing your religions...You are a christain,stay a christain and research on religions...this research is not for a day nor a month its a life-time research...CHoose wisely...

And dont just read Bible,you may read about all other religions including Hinduism,Sikhism,Buddhism etc. etc.

And the religion you think is a complete religion which covers everything from caring of insects to terrorism,or which you may find the best,choose that....


Getting to the topic=Well,cross is a holy thing but but....look at even your pope,he have an upside down cross..The Cross is not used correctly...

In Quran it is stated that when Jesus will be coming he will be in shape of a cross(these are not the exact words,the words used were=Angels will be grabbing him by his arms)so making a cross

First of all, I don't mean to offend, I just want to post my opinion.

I don't believe that was anything holy nor divine. They didn't find just one cross, they found groups of steel beam cross. This is not even a coincidence, this is common sense, since t-beams and other types of cross beams were created and used in each of the World Trade Center buildings you would expect to see t-beams or steal beam cross lying around. And since the Christianity cross was a fabrication of a Roman Emperor and is not in any way biblical, then I find it even less meaningful.

J

Jarroyo the first part wasnt offensive because it was your religion.

But to me the second part was.

Calling the cross unmeaningful is like telling proudmuislim that a mosque is not holy at all (If you read that proudmuslim I do not belieave that)

Then, proudmuslim, I did NOT go with the religion that my parents did. Just because you did, that does not mean the entire world does. My parents were atheists, they didn't believe in a god, but I looked up the Bible, (And the Hindu bible, but not all the rest) and I decided to become a Christian.

And another thing, I am not a Catholic, I dont know the exact specifics between the two, but I do not follow the Pope that much.

And this one was a long way back, but lovecracken, why do you think that my becoming a Christian is a bad thing? Just because bush claims that he is as well, that doesnt mean that I follow him, (Hence the name buckfush which turns into fuck bush)

sorry jarroyo i didnt mean it was your religion, i meant opinion

Im sorry buckfush but I think you have understood it wrong...Nothing I said was directed towards you...I was saying those things to Lippen

but,I think you need to be cleared of what I said,I didnt say just do what I say,I didnt say dont follow your parents religion...I was just advising him as he is researching on religions.......And I didnt mean to say that christains are bad,what I mean to say is..

the reason SOME MUSLIMS dont like CHRISTAINS is because they think of BUSH as a CHRISTAIN which make them HATE CHRISTANITY.....otherwise MUSLIMS DONT HATE CHRISTAINS!

Hope you get it now B)

I'm sorry if I offended you, as I said that is not my intent.

I'm a Christian, I follow what the Bible says not what some man in a podium says.
I'm a Christian but I'm not part of Christianity. Christianity has gone so far away from what a Christian really is. It has so many distort and pagan doctrines that the first Christians didn't follow, like The Cross, Christmas and The Trinity.

I suggest you study throughly what the Bible says and what is Christianity and it's origins. Don't just take for granted what you hear. Investigate how the Cross came to be part of Christianity, you'll be surprised to find out that Jesus didn't die in a cross.

With all due respect,

J

I disagree with you on 9/11, but although I am not religious, I agree with you about getting all bent about religion. People shouldn't get mad at others for being religious, or discussing it in terms of 9/11. Religious or not, everyone is entitled to their opinion on 9/11, that can not be denied to anyone.

Good point but there is a flipside to this coin. Many people(Christians and non-Christians alike) do not like Muslims because of the small percentage of Muslims who want to kill all non-Muslims. This is not my viewpoint, nor do I necessarily agree with it. Many Muslims are peaceful I know, but it is the violent ones like the ones on those planes killing in the name of religion that give all Muslims a bad name. Hopefully people can see past this, but ignorance is everywhere.

Well

I know its just off topic but I wanted to tell this to others and now I got a chance to tell it..

In our Quran it is also stated that Jesus did not die on a cross but in our book it is said that he didn't even die yet..He is there in the heaven called by the God to save the future people from the future problems

What I meant about Jesus not dying in a cross was not that he didn't die at all. The Bible says that he died, and was resurrected 3 days later. What I meant was that Jesus didn't die in a cross (a vertical pole with a transom, the horizontal piece). Jesus died in what the Bible says: "crux simplex" (a single, upright wooden stake, with no transom at all)

I am glad you feel that way but I hate to be a negative iggy here but there must of been hundreds of beams like that exactly, maybe even more cut like a full cross.

ProudMuslim: wow.. I can't believe that, that is just too weird to be true. I kind of think that was Photoshoped or they rebuilt it right away after the Tsunami because it was their main religion in that area.

I personally am a Roman Catholic because I come from Croatia, Europe and that is our main religion... I grew up on that religion but I seriously doubt most of the "stories."

Well,thats true I know,but I dont know whether those pics are real or not...Everyone here talks about it(in the past)..And some of my cousins who went there said they saw it by their own eyes..